Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

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Baz

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Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Which? recommend either Bosch or Miele as being the most reliable. I own a
Siemens (virtually identical to Bosch) and have been very satisfied with it.

Kev

I have a fairly recent slimline Bosch Classixx; Which? best buy I think.
Superb. I used to be prejudiced against expensive German white goods after a
bad experience. I also have a Bosch Logixx washing machine. Both are
significantly better than anything previous (4 or 5 dishwashers, 6 or 8
washing machines over 30+ years).

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"Baz" wrote in message
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Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Which? recommend either Bosch or Miele as being the most reliable. I
own a Siemens (virtually identical to Bosch) and have been very
satisfied with it.

I have a Bosch and I am delighted with it. My last one was a Zanussi
and I can't remember what it was before that. My Bosch is much better
than the previous ones.

O

Ophelia wrote:
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"Baz" wrote in message
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Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Which? recommend either Bosch or Miele as being the most reliable. I
own a Siemens (virtually identical to Bosch) and have been very
satisfied with it.

I have a Bosch and I am delighted with it. My last one was a Zanussi
and I can't remember what it was before that. My Bosch is much better
than the previous ones.

we've got a slimline bosh dishwasher, too. no problems so far. have had
hotpoint, zanussi and the bosh felt like a much better build quality right
out of the box. I'd buy another bosch, not too sure about the others.

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:41:57 -0000, Baz wrote:

My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.

Bosch, Bosch, or Bosch.

We had a Bosch model (branded by someone else) which lasted for over
20 years and was still working when we dumped it.

Bought a new Bosch last year, it is excellent.

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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:41:57 +0000, Baz wrote:

Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Bosch Logixx. Watch the lower end Boschs, they are made in Spain and
are not upto the quality of the German made high end stuff.

HTH

Tim

Tim S wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:41:57 +0000, Baz wrote:

Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Bosch Logixx. Watch the lower end Boschs, they are made in Spain and
are not upto the quality of the German made high end stuff.

slightly rascists, non ?

IMO, the QC programme will be the same at each factory, german, spanish
and polish. the only real differences will be in labour and land costs and they
all have a european wide warranty.

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:15:05 UTC, Nigel Molesworth
wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:41:57 -0000, Baz wrote:

My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.

Bosch, Bosch, or Bosch.

We had a Bosch model (branded by someone else) which lasted for over
20 years and was still working when we dumped it.

We have a Bosch too, but I worry about the cost of spare parts; I've
heard they are 'unreasonable'. The sort of things I'm thinking of are
cutlery basket (OK, I know I can get a generic one but I shouldn't have
to), wheels, and probably a detergent dispenser. Any experiences?

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On 2 Jan 2006 18:59:31 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

cutlery basket

Ours lasted over 20 years. The only problem we had was the wheels on
the main baskets, they wore out after about 15 years. Luckily, a
friend (who recommended the Bosch to us 15 years previously) was
replacing theirs, so we took their wheels before they dumped it (still
working)

The Bosch dishwasher was our only appliance to be replaced because it
didn't "look right", it was still working when we removed it.

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:22:25 UTC, Nigel Molesworth
wrote:

On 2 Jan 2006 18:59:31 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

cutlery basket

Ours lasted over 20 years.

Ours is falling apart after 4 years...and we don't treat it roughly!

They don't make 'em like they used to...
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:41:57 +0000, Baz wrote:

Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years. Any
recommendations for a new one??

Miele. I've had one for a few years and am delighted with it. They are
very high quality units - solid feeling. Mine has a separate cutlery
shelf which is a great idea. Also extremely quiet, and surprisingly quick
on the regular program.

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Tim S wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:41:57 +0000, Baz wrote:

Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Bosch Logixx. Watch the lower end Boschs, they are made in Spain and
are not upto the quality of the German made high end stuff.

slightly rascists, non ?

IMO, the QC programme will be the same at each factory, german, spanish
and polish. the only real differences will be in labour and land costs and
they
all have a european wide warranty.
Well they are not, the quality is visibly lower to an engineer it is
apparent as soon as you remove the rear cover.

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:59:31 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:15:05 UTC, Nigel Molesworth
wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:41:57 -0000, Baz wrote:

My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.

Bosch, Bosch, or Bosch.

We had a Bosch model (branded by someone else) which lasted for over
20 years and was still working when we dumped it.

We have a Bosch too, but I worry about the cost of spare parts; I've
heard they are 'unreasonable'. The sort of things I'm thinking of are
cutlery basket (OK, I know I can get a generic one but I shouldn't have
to), wheels, and probably a detergent dispenser. Any experiences?


http://www.bshappliancecare.com/

for Bosch spares. I've just bought a bit for my tumble dryer. Checked the
prices for bits on the Logixx dishwasher I also have. Don't look too
outlandish. Water valve (common failure on many appliances) 17 quid, drain
pump 37 quid.

HTH

Tim

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:28:08 +0000, . wrote:

Tim S wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:41:57 +0000, Baz wrote:

Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Bosch Logixx. Watch the lower end Boschs, they are made in Spain and
are not upto the quality of the German made high end stuff.

slightly rascists, non ?


Not really. Matter of past performance. Maybe it will change, but
it takes years of manufacturing high quality products consistently to
diminish a poor image. Look at the Japs. 70's, total cheap rubbish. Now,
expensive high end products.

Would you rather own a BMW or a SEAT?

IMO, the QC programme will be the same at each factory, german, spanish
and polish. the only real differences will be in labour and land costs
and they all have a european wide warranty.

It's possible, but not necessarily the case.

Tim

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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:41:57 +0000, Baz wrote:

Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years. Any
recommendations for a new one??

Miele. I've had one for a few years and am delighted with it. They are
very high quality units - solid feeling. Mine has a separate cutlery
shelf which is a great idea. Also extremely quiet, and surprisingly quick
on the regular program.


Go for the one that has an interior that you feel you can live with. Most
things are made using global ideas "Design for Manufacture/ Assembly" using
"Value Engineering / Analysis", "Lean Manufacturing" and "Six Sigma".
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:39:33 UTC, Tim S wrote:

We have a Bosch too, but I worry about the cost of spare parts; I've
heard they are 'unreasonable'. The sort of things I'm thinking of are
cutlery basket (OK, I know I can get a generic one but I shouldn't have
to), wheels, and probably a detergent dispenser. Any experiences?

Hmmm.. set of 4 wheels - nearly 12 quid. Cutlery basket, handle and
cover - 30 quid!


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"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:39:33 UTC, Tim S wrote:

We have a Bosch too, but I worry about the cost of spare parts;
I've
heard they are 'unreasonable'. The sort of things I'm thinking of
are
cutlery basket (OK, I know I can get a generic one but I shouldn't
have
to), wheels, and probably a detergent dispenser. Any experiences?

Hmmm.. set of 4 wheels - nearly 12 quid. Cutlery basket, handle and
cover - 30 quid!

Blimey! Well ours is only around 6 months old. How long did it take to
wear out the wheels and basket??

In article ,
Mark Scott wrote:

Miele. I've had one for a few years and am delighted with it. They are
very high quality units - solid feeling.

Yep. Got a miele dishwasher (and washing machine) and would recommend it - but
if the OP is looking for a slimline model I suspect miele is out of the
question - I don't think they do a slimline model.

Mine has a separate cutlery shelf which is a great idea.

Yep. Excellent. Not on the bottom couple of models though (well worth the extra
IMHO)

Darren

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:05:23 UTC, "Ophelia" wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:39:33 UTC, Tim S wrote:

We have a Bosch too, but I worry about the cost of spare parts;
I've
heard they are 'unreasonable'. The sort of things I'm thinking of
are
cutlery basket (OK, I know I can get a generic one but I shouldn't
have
to), wheels, and probably a detergent dispenser. Any experiences?

Hmmm.. set of 4 wheels - nearly 12 quid. Cutlery basket, handle and
cover - 30 quid!

Blimey! Well ours is only around 6 months old. How long did it take to
wear out the wheels and basket??

Four and a half years for the basket. Wheels are OK so far.

Oh, the filter is shedding bits of plastic. I reckon it's got another
six months. Only I ever handle that, and I'm gentle (honest). You have
to buy a set of filters in one go, and that's about 23 quid.

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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:28:08 GMT, . wrote:

Bosch Logixx. Watch the lower end Boschs, they are made in Spain and
are not upto the quality of the German made high end stuff.

slightly rascists, non ?

Not at all. In Germany they get to work at 7am, in Spain they all go
to sleep at lunchtime. Where would you rather buy from?

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:05:23 UTC, "Ophelia" wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:39:33 UTC, Tim S wrote:

We have a Bosch too, but I worry about the cost of spare parts;
I've
heard they are 'unreasonable'. The sort of things I'm thinking
of
are
cutlery basket (OK, I know I can get a generic one but I
shouldn't
have
to), wheels, and probably a detergent dispenser. Any
experiences?

Hmmm.. set of 4 wheels - nearly 12 quid. Cutlery basket, handle and
cover - 30 quid!

Blimey! Well ours is only around 6 months old. How long did it take
to
wear out the wheels and basket??

Four and a half years for the basket. Wheels are OK so far.

Oh, the filter is shedding bits of plastic. I reckon it's got another
six months. Only I ever handle that, and I'm gentle (honest). You have
to buy a set of filters in one go, and that's about 23 quid.

Thanks Bob. Actually I don't suppose I mind too much if it takes that
long to wear those bits out I do think this machine is superior in
every way to my old ones.

In message , Nigel
Molesworth writes
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:28:08 GMT, . wrote:

Bosch Logixx. Watch the lower end Boschs, they are made in Spain and
are not upto the quality of the German made high end stuff.

slightly rascists, non ?

Not at all. In Germany they get to work at 7am, in Spain they all go
to sleep at lunchtime.

Some German workers are well ****ed by lunchtime

Where would you rather buy from?


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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:55:27 UTC, "Ophelia" wrote:

Oh, the filter is shedding bits of plastic. I reckon it's got another
six months. Only I ever handle that, and I'm gentle (honest). You have
to buy a set of filters in one go, and that's about 23 quid.

Thanks Bob. Actually I don't suppose I mind too much if it takes that
long to wear those bits out I do think this machine is superior in
every way to my old ones.

Well, it's our first dishwasher so I have nothing to go by. I'd be
interested to know equivalent figures for others, though. We're
generally quite pleased with it.

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:41:57 -0000, "Baz"
wrote:

Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??


Miele.


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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:41:57 -0000, "Baz"
wrote:

Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Nardi

I am really beginning to think that the country of origin and the
manufacturer's name has little bearing on the item. Goods are made to a
specification and to tolerances. They are made to be assembled with the
minimum of human intervention - as this can introduce variation. Sub
assemblies will be sourced from anywhere in the world - sometimes for
political / business reasons rather than for technical reasons. Design is
often sub-contracted to specialists who work to a specification.
The brand name is often little more than a cosmetic or marketing aid.

Things are specified down to meet cost reduction targets - why else would
items like wheels fail? Some sub assemblies will be used in many models as
it is more economical for the manufacturer to do this - therefore buying a
low end model could give better quality per pound spent than a high end
model. (they will share many components). However, some features will be
removed on the lower end models to differentiate the range.

Quality = Meeting the specification.

Many dishwashers that I have seen have been ruined by rough handling and
poorly adjusted feet causing the door and cabinet to spring when operated.

Yesterdays superb model has probably been replaced with one with entirely
different features so recalling how good the old whatever make was has
little bearing on how well the latest model will behave.

At the end of the day I made my last choice based (following experience) on
whether I liked the interior layout and the method of setting the controls.
I am quite happy with it - when it fails I shall give it one chance and then
replace it.


John

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I am really beginning to think that the country of origin and the
manufacturer's name has little bearing on the item. Goods are made to a
specification and to tolerances. They are made to be assembled with the
minimum of human intervention - as this can introduce variation. Sub
assemblies will be sourced from anywhere in the world - sometimes for
political / business reasons rather than for technical reasons. Design
is often sub-contracted to specialists who work to a specification.
The brand name is often little more than a cosmetic or marketing aid.

You may be right but I do see a big difference in the quality of my
present dishwasher and that of my last.


Things are specified down to meet cost reduction targets - why else
would items like wheels fail? Some sub assemblies will be used in many
models as it is more economical for the manufacturer to do this -
therefore buying a low end model could give better quality per pound
spent than a high end model. (they will share many components).
However, some features will be removed on the lower end models to
differentiate the range.

Quality = Meeting the specification.

Many dishwashers that I have seen have been ruined by rough handling
and poorly adjusted feet causing the door and cabinet to spring when
operated.

Yesterdays superb model has probably been replaced with one with
entirely different features so recalling how good the old whatever
make was has little bearing on how well the latest model will behave.

This is what concerned me about buying a Dyson. There were so many
differing views about it. I haven't seen a bad review of the Bosch yet
though.


At the end of the day I made my last choice based (following
experience) on whether I liked the interior layout and the method of
setting the controls. I am quite happy with it - when it fails I shall
give it one chance and then replace it.

I hope you have many years of good use from it)

Ophelia

john wrote:
I am really beginning to think that the country of origin and the
manufacturer's name has little bearing on the item. Goods are made to
a specification and to tolerances. They are made to be assembled with
the minimum of human intervention - as this can introduce variation.
Sub assemblies will be sourced from anywhere in the world - sometimes
for political / business reasons rather than for technical reasons.
Design is often sub-contracted to specialists who work to a
specification. The brand name is often little more than a cosmetic or marketing aid.

Things are specified down to meet cost reduction targets - why else
would items like wheels fail? Some sub assemblies will be used in
many models as it is more economical for the manufacturer to do this
- therefore buying a low end model could give better quality per
pound spent than a high end model. (they will share many components).
However, some features will be removed on the lower end models to
differentiate the range.
Quality = Meeting the specification.

Many dishwashers that I have seen have been ruined by rough handling
and poorly adjusted feet causing the door and cabinet to spring when
operated.
Yesterdays superb model has probably been replaced with one with
entirely different features so recalling how good the old whatever
make was has little bearing on how well the latest model will behave.

At the end of the day I made my last choice based (following
experience) on whether I liked the interior layout and the method of
setting the controls. I am quite happy with it - when it fails I
shall give it one chance and then replace it.


John

that just about sums it up nicely.

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:52:02 GMT, . wrote:

that just about sums it up nicely.

Could I make a suggestion, Mr or Mrs ".". It's almost impossible to
see your posts in a listing, why not consider a longer name.


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I have a fairly recent slimline Bosch Classixx; Which? best buy I think.
Superb.

we also have a 6 month old slimline Classixx- Which? recommened model.

This was after a 3 week nightmare with a Hotpoint pile of crap. I had them
take it back after 3 break downs in those 3 weeks, endless waiting for parts
and finally it flooded the kitchen.

Tim..

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:43:24 +0000 (UTC), Tim.. wrote:

Which? recommened model.

I used to get Which? Then I started reading their reviews about things
I knew about at the time (PCs, TVs, VCRs, Hi-Fi, cameras etc.)

Once I realised that they were talking total BS I extrapolated that
the rest was too. I guess their reliability surveys are OK, but the
content of the reviews is very poor.

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Nigel Molesworth wrote:
I used to get Which? Then I started reading their reviews about things
I knew about at the time (PCs, TVs, VCRs, Hi-Fi, cameras etc.)
Once I realised that they were talking total BS I extrapolated that
the rest was too. I guess their reliability surveys are OK, but the
content of the reviews is very poor.

The reliability surveys are probably skewed, by being self selecting to
some extent, which readers are probably unrepresentative of all
customers and any survey tends to get responses predominantly from
people who like wingeing.

Which reports are just too utilitarian, consumer good are almost by
definition not necessities, by discounting the motives that make people
desire such things they fail to address anything of interest.


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In message , Baz
writes
Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Apart from whether or not it is O.T, does anybody see the irony in
asking this in a D.I.Y group ;-)

"somebody" wrote in message
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In message , Baz
writes
Hi Guys.
My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.
Any recommendations for a new one??

Apart from whether or not it is O.T, does anybody see the irony in
asking this in a D.I.Y group ;-)

*giggle* Although we did b-i-y (buy it yourself) which is nearly
right

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:15:05 UTC, Nigel Molesworth
wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:41:57 -0000, Baz wrote:

My Slimline Smeg dishwasher has giving up after only 2 1/2 years.

Bosch, Bosch, or Bosch.

We had a Bosch model (branded by someone else) which lasted for over
20 years and was still working when we dumped it.

We have a Bosch too, but I worry about the cost of spare parts; I've
heard they are 'unreasonable'. The sort of things I'm thinking of are
cutlery basket (OK, I know I can get a generic one but I shouldn't have
to), wheels, and probably a detergent dispenser. Any experiences?

Bosch spares may be expensive (I don't know because I've never had to buy
any!) - but if the machines don't break down then you wont need them! An
unreliable machine with cheap spares will turn out more costly than a
reliable machine with expensive spares. The spares are expensive because
they are well made!

Kev

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:02:51 UTC, "Uno Hoo!"
wrote:

We have a Bosch too, but I worry about the cost of spare parts; I've
heard they are 'unreasonable'. The sort of things I'm thinking of are
cutlery basket (OK, I know I can get a generic one but I shouldn't have
to), wheels, and probably a detergent dispenser. Any experiences?

Bosch spares may be expensive (I don't know because I've never had to buy
any!) - but if the machines don't break down then you wont need them! An
unreliable machine with cheap spares will turn out more costly than a
reliable machine with expensive spares. The spares are expensive because
they are well made!

Not sure that applies to a cutlery basket that lasts little more than 4
years, and costs 30 quid!

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