Hi all,

My oven has packed up. It's an electric freestander (with
a gas hob). The oven fan and light come on when I turn the
knob, but it doesn't get hot. There's a smaller top oven &
grill which still work, and the electric ignition for the gas
still works.

I'm thinking it's either the electronic timer / clock thingy
(which I guess I can't fix), or some kind of internal thermostat
has failed (which maybe I can).

How do I diagnose the cause? Am I likely to be able to repair
this myself?

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jc

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Christian McArdle wrote:

I'm thinking it's either the electronic timer / clock thingy
(which I guess I can't fix), or some kind of internal thermostat
has failed (which maybe I can).


It's probably the heating element. The good news is that they are easy and
cheap to buy, and not too difficult to fit, usually. It could be the
thermostat, though, as you said. It probably isn't the timer, though, unless
the timer never controlled the top oven. However, I suppose it could be a
relay or contactor used only for the bottom oven, but I'd have thought both
ovens were off the same one.

Thanks guys. I've got the element out (quite easy, even for a newbie
like me). Looks like a gonner to me, what do you think?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jd.coll...es/burnout.jpg

CHeers,

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Jeremy Collins wrote:

Looks like a gonner to me, what do you think?

Doesn't look too healthy to me that's for sure.
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Tony Hogarty
(take out garbage to reply, any mail to this account over 3k in size is
deleted at the server)

That looks a goner to me.

If you have a multi meter you could check it using resistance scale.
somewhere between 20 and 100 ohms.

Also CAREFULLY CHECK the connections at the other end for 230V when
switched on.


On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:47:28 +0100, Jeremy Collins
wrote:

Christian McArdle wrote:

I'm thinking it's either the electronic timer / clock thingy
(which I guess I can't fix), or some kind of internal thermostat
has failed (which maybe I can).


It's probably the heating element. The good news is that they are easy and
cheap to buy, and not too difficult to fit, usually. It could be the
thermostat, though, as you said. It probably isn't the timer, though, unless
the timer never controlled the top oven. However, I suppose it could be a
relay or contactor used only for the bottom oven, but I'd have thought both
ovens were off the same one.

Thanks guys. I've got the element out (quite easy, even for a newbie
like me). Looks like a gonner to me, what do you think?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jd.coll...es/burnout.jpg

CHeers,

Lawrence

usenet at lklyne dt co dt uk

Thanks guys. I've got the element out (quite easy, even for a newbie
like me). Looks like a gonner to me, what do you think?

Nothing a bit of duct tape can't sort out. ;-)

Christian.

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
. net...
Thanks guys. I've got the element out (quite easy, even for a newbie
like me). Looks like a gonner to me, what do you think?

Nothing a bit of duct tape can't sort out. ;-)

Christian.


duct tape and car body filler are to DIYers what baler twine is to farmers!
:-)


cheers
Richard


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L Reid wrote:

"Jeremy Collins" wrote in message
...
Christian McArdle wrote:

I'm thinking it's either the electronic timer / clock thingy
(which I guess I can't fix), or some kind of internal thermostat
has failed (which maybe I can).


It's probably the heating element. The good news is that they are easy
and
cheap to buy, and not too difficult to fit, usually. It could be the
thermostat, though, as you said. It probably isn't the timer, though,
unless
the timer never controlled the top oven. However, I suppose it could be
a
relay or contactor used only for the bottom oven, but I'd have thought
both
ovens were off the same one.

Thanks guys. I've got the element out (quite easy, even for a newbie
like me). Looks like a gonner to me, what do you think?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jd.coll...es/burnout.jpg

CHeers,

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jc

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Looks Identical to the one that came out of mine. Take it to a domestic
repair / spares place to get a replacement. IIRC I think this one cost me
around £30.

Possibly no need to spend this sort of money. CPC sell similar looking elements
for £6-14 plus vat.

What is the make and model of the oven. I have a catalogue and I can give you
the part number if they stock it

regards

Bob

Bob Minchin wrote:
L Reid wrote:

Looks Identical to the one that came out of mine. Take it to a domestic
repair / spares place to get a replacement. IIRC I think this one cost me
around £30.


Possibly no need to spend this sort of money. CPC sell similar looking elements
for £6-14 plus vat.

What is the make and model of the oven. I have a catalogue and I can give you
the part number if they stock it

It's a Belling 864 (A "Belling Choice Dual-Fuel 864" to be exact).

Thanks,

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jc

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I had problems getting hold of the right element for my cooker.
Comet, where I bought the cooker from less than 2 years previously
said they didn't stock them and couldn't help as they would only deal
with their own authorised repairers.
Local electrical repair shop didn't have the right element, offered to
try and get one and then completely forgot about us in spite of
repeated prompting. Eventually got it online and sent to us within 2
days from these helpful chaps :-


http://www.elementman.co.uk/

Jeremy Collins wrote:

Hi all,

My oven has packed up. It's an electric freestander (with
a gas hob). The oven fan and light come on when I turn the
knob, but it doesn't get hot. There's a smaller top oven &
grill which still work, and the electric ignition for the gas
still works.

I'm thinking it's either the electronic timer / clock thingy
(which I guess I can't fix), or some kind of internal thermostat
has failed (which maybe I can).

How do I diagnose the cause? Am I likely to be able to repair
this myself?


I got a second hand coopker to repalce my ageing ceramic hob type for
£100 - originally I was going to pirate it for pats, but in teh end it
was in better nick than mine, so once I had removed the dead mouse from
iunder the control panel and cleaned it up, in it went.

If the cpoker is not brill, and is old, you can often find a second hand
better one at very sensible prices. No one wants someone elses grease
stained monster, but a few hours work with some foaming alkali cleanser
will make most cookers gleam, and frankly its an easier job to do that
than replace an element.

Jeremy Collins wrote:

Bob Minchin wrote:
L Reid wrote:

Looks Identical to the one that came out of mine. Take it to a domestic
repair / spares place to get a replacement. IIRC I think this one cost me
around £30.


Possibly no need to spend this sort of money. CPC sell similar looking elements
for £6-14 plus vat.

What is the make and model of the oven. I have a catalogue and I can give you
the part number if they stock it

It's a Belling 864 (A "Belling Choice Dual-Fuel 864" to be exact).

Thanks,

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jc

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CPC don't show this in their catalogue but claim to be able to supply parts for many
other brands

You can call their part finder service on 0870 1200102 or email
supplying full details of the model, serial number etc. They
seem to classify these fan elements by diameter and number of turns.

Good Luck

Bob

I have no commercial connection with CPC other than a satisfied customer

Bob Minchin wrote:
Jeremy Collins wrote:


Bob Minchin wrote:
What is the make and model of the oven. I have a catalogue and I can give you
the part number if they stock it

It's a Belling 864 (A "Belling Choice Dual-Fuel 864" to be exact).

CPC don't show this in their catalogue but claim to be able to supply parts for many
other brands

You can call their part finder service on 0870 1200102 or email
supplying full details of the model, serial number etc. They
seem to classify these fan elements by diameter and number of turns.

Thanks for the info - much appreciated.


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Kevin wrote:

I had problems getting hold of the right element for my cooker.
Comet, where I bought the cooker from less than 2 years previously
said they didn't stock them and couldn't help as they would only deal
with their own authorised repairers.
Local electrical repair shop didn't have the right element, offered to
try and get one and then completely forgot about us in spite of
repeated prompting. Eventually got it online and sent to us within 2
days from these helpful chaps :-


http://www.elementman.co.uk/

Thanks for the link - I've sent an enquiry to see if he's got the
part.

Cheers,

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jc

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Jeremy Collins wrote:

Hi all,

My oven has packed up. It's an electric freestander (with
a gas hob). The oven fan and light come on when I turn the
knob, but it doesn't get hot. There's a smaller top oven &
grill which still work, and the electric ignition for the gas
still works.

I'm thinking it's either the electronic timer / clock thingy
(which I guess I can't fix), or some kind of internal thermostat
has failed (which maybe I can).

How do I diagnose the cause? Am I likely to be able to repair
this myself?

--
jc

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I've fixed a few such things:
Suggestion: Make sure your electrical connections to the new
elements are 'good and tight'. Hold the tips in say your big
pliers and tighten the screws with other hand. There's a fairly
heavy current there in a small area and any looseness of the
connection can cause the new connection to heat up and burn off;
thereby possibly ruining a new element. (It's hot enough there
normally with the heat from the oven!)
Use sandpaper or a small file to clean away any corrosion to get
metal to metal contact. Maybe use new screws? Add washers; to
increase contact area? If they are not screw-on connections bur
some form of clips make sure the electrical contact/connections
are clean and good. Good luck, well done btw.
Terry.

Terry wrote:

I've fixed a few such things:
Suggestion: Make sure your electrical connections to the new
elements are 'good and tight'. Hold the tips in say your big
pliers and tighten the screws with other hand. There's a fairly
heavy current there in a small area and any looseness of the
connection can cause the new connection to heat up and burn off;
thereby possibly ruining a new element. (It's hot enough there
normally with the heat from the oven!)

Hmmm, the electrical connection is a fairly bog standard spade
connector, and it came off very easily. Maybe this is the origin
of the fault...

Use sandpaper or a small file to clean away any corrosion to get
metal to metal contact. Maybe use new screws? Add washers; to
increase contact area? If they are not screw-on connections bur
some form of clips make sure the electrical contact/connections
are clean and good. Good luck, well done btw.

All good advice; it will be put into practice!

Cheers,

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jc

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Jeremy Collins wrote:

Hi all,

My oven has packed up. It's an electric freestander (with
a gas hob). The oven fan and light come on when I turn the
knob, but it doesn't get hot. There's a smaller top oven &
grill which still work, and the electric ignition for the gas
still works.


Thanks to all who advised - the oven is now working. I got the
part from http://www.elementman.co.uk/ - very helpful bloke when
it came to tracking down the right part, and next day delivery.


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jc

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Jeremy Collins wrote:
Terry wrote:

I've fixed a few such things:
Suggestion: Make sure your electrical connections to the new
elements are 'good and tight'. Hold the tips in say your big
pliers and tighten the screws with other hand. There's a fairly
heavy current there in a small area and any looseness of the
connection can cause the new connection to heat up and burn off;
thereby possibly ruining a new element. (It's hot enough there
normally with the heat from the oven!)

Hmmm, the electrical connection is a fairly bog standard spade
connector, and it came off very easily. Maybe this is the origin
of the fault...

It shouldn't come off too easily, if the connector is sound
then a *gentle* squeeze with pliers should ensure it grips
better. Otherwise replace it.

Mark Evans wrote:

Bob Minchin wrote:

Possibly no need to spend this sort of money. CPC sell similar looking elements
for ?6-14 plus vat.

But charge carriage on orders under 30 quid.

Yes they do but I've never managed to put in an order below £30 because they sell so
much useful stuff!!

Bob



What is the make and model of the oven. I have a catalogue and I can give you
the part number if they stock it

CPC also have a "part finder" service.