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On warm up,
forced air initially heats the air which then heats the body, which is

what

is needed.

I would rather not be in a room where the air is hotter than my body
temperature thank you very much.

John


Don't get a job in Iraq then. Did you see they had 50 C??? How could you
hack that? It's 22C here tonight and I'm boiled.


Humidity.

37C and say better than 30% humidity is as uncomfortable as 50C and 5%
humidity. Been in both. Tropical rain forest and arid desert.

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Phew I've started World War III!!


No just one know-it-all amateur pilock putting his oar in.


Precisely.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:16:40 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


On warm up,
forced air initially heats the air which then heats the body, which is

what

is needed.

I would rather not be in a room where the air is hotter than my body
temperature thank you very much.

Then be in cold room then. No accounting for odd tastes.



20 deg or so is fine for me. Living in a room hot enough to cause heat
stroke is definitely an odd taste.

I'll let you into a secret. Even forced air has a thermostat on the wall.
If you want 20C you get it. Amazing!


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:16:40 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


On warm up,
forced air initially heats the air which then heats the body, which is

what

is needed.

I would rather not be in a room where the air is hotter than my body
temperature thank you very much.

Then be in cold room then. No accounting for odd tastes.


You're missing the point. Body temperature is 37C ish. Comfortable
room
temperature is between 18 and 21C. I know this because I work in a
large
open plan office and sit beside the control. There is a constant battle
between different people jacking the heat and turning it down. So much
so
the management brought in some bozo specialist to sort the whole thing
out.
Hasn't made a blind bit of difference. The bit I sit at is colder and
that
suits me just fine, especially since I have been pregnant 2 and quarter
years in the last 5.

You know, thats the warmest kind of heating you can have. Another
entity
hatching inside you. And you boyos can't argue on that....



Mmm. Thats the trouble with radiators. Hot spots and cold spots as they
rely on a very hot surface transferring heat by air movement to the cold
parts. Air movement means some sort of draught

Air movement does mean a draught at all.

- even if low level. And
it IS at low level - usually a cold air current rund the feet moving
towards the radiator.

I quite like hot air blowers I have to say. At least they have *hot*
draughts. But they aren't as good as UF.

Don't worry about the UF lag either. From a sensible coolness as of
having been off all day, to be up to temp is usually less than an hour.
Screed UF systems have such a huge thermal inertia they never ever cool
down that much.
I like you decided not to UF heat parts of the floor that seemd would
not need it - sink and cooker area. and entrance lobby. I was roight on
teh cooker, less right on teh sink, and almost wrong on teh lobby. Put
extra coils of pipe where people leave outside doors open while
unloading shopping, and where any micro draughts due to letter boxes or
simply the inevitable hing gap/ keyholes

If letterboxes cause a draught, get rid of them and have a proper letter box
screwed to the wall outside. These are becoming very popular. And other
draughts should be attended. You don't put extra heating in, just eliminate
the draught.



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With blown air systems the radiant temperature of all surfaces must
always be equal to or below the air temperature and for equivalent
levels of comfort higher, not lower, temperatures are required.

This is not accurate.

If you think it is inaccurate please explain

It is not accurate in his assumption comfort levels.

So you agree that with blown air systems the surface temperature of
interior surfaces will always be equal to or below air temperature?

That is obvious. Once warmed up, equal to.

The body is always
cooling. It is the rate of cooling that makes us feel hot or cold.
Some
surfaces in line of sight of the body extract heat from the body more
than
others. The surface type and colour also make a difference. Temperature
of
the surface is just one aspect of MRT. If you read both authors, this
is
said in a round about way.

Mean radiant temperature is simply the area weighted mean
temperature of all the objects surrounding the body. It will be
positive when surrounding objects are warmer than the average skin
temperature and negative when they are colder.

Not quite right. Some surfaces reflect radiant heat and may not be warm at
all. This is where MRT is confusing. It is merely not just surface
temperatures of objects.

snip misunderstanding of MRT and forced air.

You can't. You don't understand MRT, and few actually do. It is
regarded
as one of those things invented to explain something.

It is simply basic physics and
physiology, nothing magic or
complicated about it.

It is not totally complete and reliable.

Only in catalogue land. The great
advantage of slow reaction systems
is the controls can be really
simple _if_ the design is right in the
first place.

Nonsense!!! Do your physics make
the concrete slab heat up faster or cool
faster?

no - which is why fancy controls are not usually needed.

You haven't a clue soldier boy.

Stop prattling on about physics you fool. No designer look at his O
levels
physics book when designing a heating system.

If he doesn't understand the physics
of heat loss and gain how then
does he design it?

Oh my God. Stop reading those How Things Work books.

Because your house is occupied most of the time.

Is it?

So you said/implied.

It s been a "fad" for the last 15 years
at least. (actually the last
2000 odd to be more precise)

It is a fad. The number installed systems at the mo is in single %age
figures. When the building boom really starts it will be insignificant
in
installed systems.

Of course - because developers want
the cheapest quickest and
simplest systems they can stuff in
their little boxes. Quality is
not an issue.

If UFH sells they will put it in.

Balls!!! Dream on. You have lived in army
houses.

Most of my houses were not army houses.

And you have experienced ?

Design and installation of 1000s of them.

and never lived with the consequences
of any, like most plumbers.

Not a plumber soldier boy.

I wasn't design/installed properly.

An assortment of far better qualified
people than you

They are not better qualified or
experienced than me.

If you care to let us know your qualifications
and experience I'll compare them for you.

No thanks soldier boy. You don't know enough.

including engineers (not fitters) from
the manufacturers have said it is well
designed and installed.

Balls!! If it was designed and installed well the user would love it.

It was, he doesn't.

Balls!! It was not!!!



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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:25:19 +0100, "SC" wrote:



This may be a dumb question but can you use all types of floor

coverings

with underfloor heating, carpets etc.


More or less, some types of flooring don't like the raised
temperature but any modern flooring material will state if its
suitable for UF heating.



Surely underfelt would act like an insulator?


Yes it does - but it isn't a very good one and in practice makes no
noticeable difference.


Except an even longer war up period.


No. Don't confuse insulation with thermal inertia. Get an education i
instead.

At a snotty uni?

You lack the attitude or aptitude to get in .

Wrong I have the right attitiude which is not the arse hole one in snotty
uni's. I wouldn't be see dead in one.


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Phew I've started World War III!!

No just one know-it-all amateur pilock putting his oar in.

So why do you do it?

Oh Andy has just read How Things Work Bokk too.

Yep. Use the Aga. It does great toasted bacon butties as well....

An Aga. How naff!!!


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We are doing major changes to our kitchen to make it open plan to a
dining
area and living room, and we are adding a sunroom. As we need to add
new
floors we wanted to look at underflooor heating. We will have a gas
combi
boiler system.
Any personal experience out there? Is it costly to run? I like the
idea

as

this will be a family room and we have 3 kids under 4, they spend so
much
time rollling round the floor I thought it may be a good idea to warm
the
floor...

Any sane thoughts appreciated

Suzanne

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
A
Einstein



Phew I've started World War III!!
But it has brought out a lot of good points.

To summerise: People like underfloor heating, but it needs to be put
down
well.
Issues to consider: are heatup time lag (the changeable Autumn/Spring
weather point was good), avoid hotspots, good underfloor insulation,
separate controller at boiler, no radiator to hang your wet socks (sorry
this is important to me).
Good things a a comfortable heat at lower temps, warm bare toes,
radiators not hogging wall space, cosy warm floor for kiddies to roll
on,
overall lower cost in my situation.

My situation is: this is for a large L-shaped room 20'x20' which will be
kitchen/ dining/ living space. Ventilation/ heating are very important
as
we are combining a cooking and living environment. I only work
mornings,
home with after school childcare and quite often have to be up at night
with
wains, so always on heating is fine. The back door will open into a
sunroom
part of this area - draughts when the door is opened, plus condensation
from
kitchen activity on sunroom windows.

My experience was of being brought up in a 200yr old farmhouse with only
an
Rayburn Royal for heat, or open the airing cupboard in the bathroom to
take
the chill of an enamal bath. Consequently I can stand too much heat,
and
especially heat convection/hot air heaters. Turns me into a heat
hogging
zombie with red legs.

What I think maybe good for us will be a separate controller for UF to
the
combi (located just off this room) and a good control for settings. I
will
not run the UF round the cooking and dishwasher/ sink area as I would
overheat. In addition I will run a slim radiator round under the
windows in
the sunroom as this will be the coldest area, most prone to
condensation,
and also give me somewhere to warm socks towels etc.

Whadda think??


I think, unlike IMM, you have grasped the essentials.

And so concludes our snotty uni man, as he closes his tattered How Things
Work book (with real big colour pictures).


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:16:40 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


On warm up,
forced air initially heats the air which then heats the body, which is

what

is needed.

I would rather not be in a room where the air is hotter than my body
temperature thank you very much.


Then be in cold room then. No accounting for odd tastes.


Hmm. Once again a total failure to actually grasp the point being made.

He likes cold rooms.

No he doesn't.
I know you don't believe in physics, but would you like to explain how
a person with a normal body temperature of around 37 degrees gains any
heat from air at a comfortable temperature of 20 degrees or so?

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Balls!! If it was designed and installed well the user would love it.

It was, he doesn't.

Balls!! It was not!!!

Lets see If I've got this right, you of indeterminate, indeed if any,
education training or experience wish us to believe that you know
more than the senior designer from the manufacturers of the equipment
installed and a number of qualified experienced heating engineers
(two of whom were M Eng Chartered Building Services Engineers, both
FCIBSE). These people spent a considerable amount of time working on
the installation yet you, who have never seen it, know more about it
than they do ?

This seems a bit improbable wouldn't you agree?



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http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

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I think, unlike IMM, you have grasped the essentials.


And so concludes our snotty uni man, as he closes his tattered How Things
Work book (with real big colour pictures).


Now wherever DID you come up with an idea like that...ah. You used to
have one, and now are ashamed to admit it, so project your own sense of
inferiority onto others.

Hence the snotty uni stuff.

You must eat the chips stuck on your shoulders sonny.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:16:40 +0100, "IMM" wrote:



On warm up,
forced air initially heats the air which then heats the body, which is


what


is needed.


I would rather not be in a room where the air is hotter than my body
temperature thank you very much.


Then be in cold room then. No accounting for odd tastes.


Hmm. Once again a total failure to actually grasp the point being made.

He likes cold rooms.


No he doesn't.
I know you don't believe in physics, but would you like to explain how
a person with a normal body temperature of around 37 degrees gains any
heat from air at a comfortable temperature of 20 degrees or so?



Using a heat pump attached up his arse?

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:14:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote:




Balls!! If it was designed and installed well the user would love it.

It was, he doesn't.

Balls!! It was not!!!


Lets see If I've got this right, you of indeterminate, indeed if any,
education training or experience wish us to believe that you know
more than the senior designer from the manufacturers of the equipment
installed and a number of qualified experienced heating engineers
(two of whom were M Eng Chartered Building Services Engineers, both
FCIBSE). These people spent a considerable amount of time working on
the installation yet you, who have never seen it, know more about it
than they do ?

This seems a bit improbable wouldn't you agree?




When did that ever bother IMM?

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:16:40 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


On warm up,
forced air initially heats the air which then heats the body, which
is

what

is needed.

I would rather not be in a room where the air is hotter than my body
temperature thank you very much.


Then be in cold room then. No accounting for odd tastes.


Hmm. Once again a total failure to actually grasp the point being made.

He likes cold rooms.

No he doesn't.
I know you don't believe in physics, but would you like to explain how
a person with a normal body temperature of around 37 degrees gains any
heat from air at a comfortable temperature of 20 degrees or so?

It is the rate of cooling that makes a body comfortable or not. Nothing to
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Balls!! If it was designed and installed well the user would love it.

It was, he doesn't.

Balls!! It was not!!!

Lets see If I've got this right, you of indeterminate, indeed if any,
education training or experience wish us to believe that you know
more than the senior designer from the manufacturers of the equipment
installed and a number of qualified experienced heating engineers
(two of whom were M Eng Chartered Building Services Engineers, both
FCIBSE). These people spent a considerable amount of time working on
the installation yet you, who have never seen it, know more about it
than they do ?

This seems a bit improbable wouldn't you agree?

It is improbably that a well designed and specified forced air and vent
systems is exceptionally bad that is requires ripping out.




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IMM wrote:
Get an education i
instead.

At a snotty uni?

You lack the attitude or aptitude to get in .


Wrong I have the right attitiude which is not the arse hole one in
snotty
uni's. I wouldn't be see dead in one.

You wouldn't be seen alive at one either.

You are getting the point.


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I think, unlike IMM, you have grasped the essentials.


And so concludes our snotty uni man, as he closes his tattered How
Things
Work book (with real big colour pictures).


Now wherever DID you come up with an idea like that...ah. You used to
have one, and now are ashamed to admit it, so project your own sense of
inferiority onto others.

Hence the snotty uni stuff.

You must eat the chips stuck on your shoulders sonny.


The old last resort, pull from up the sleeve comment. "chip on the
shoulder." get real oh snotty uni one.


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Forced air and underfloor can mean the stat can be turned down a few
degrees. Both about the same.

On the contrary, to quote from http://meanradianttemperature.com/

"Good Thermal Design Tips (extract)

Use hydronic radiant floors

Heat people, not air"


Richard Kadulski wrote the following on MRT in the Renewable Energy
Policy Project :-

"A simple formula has been developed that allows normal comfort level
of a room to be calculated by adding the two primary heating
components: air temperature and mean radiant temperature (average
room surface temperature).

The formula is: air temperature ( F) + mean radiant
temperature ( F) = 140 ( F).

For example, with a conventional forced warm air heating system we
can maintain comfortable conditions at an air temperature of about 72
deg F (22 C) with a mean radiant temperature of 68 F (72 + 68 =
140).

With a radiant heating system, comfort is achieved at 68 F air
temperature if the mean radiant temperature is 72 F (68 + 72 = 140)".

With blown air systems the radiant temperature of all surfaces must
always be equal to or below the air temperature and for equivalent
levels of comfort higher, not lower, temperatures are required.

Kadulski, also wrote about comfort conditions, "While this may all seem like
much ado about nothing, it underlines that this fundamental idea is too
complex to define crisply with measurable numbers."






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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:36:50 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


I know you don't believe in physics, but would you like to explain how
a person with a normal body temperature of around 37 degrees gains any
heat from air at a comfortable temperature of 20 degrees or so?

It is the rate of cooling that makes a body comfortable or not. Nothing
to
do with physics.


It has everything to do with physics.

I despair, I really do..


"The physicist's greatest tool is his wastebasket" A. Eins.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:53:32 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:36:50 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


I know you don't believe in physics, but would you like to explain how
a person with a normal body temperature of around 37 degrees gains any
heat from air at a comfortable temperature of 20 degrees or so?

It is the rate of cooling that makes a body comfortable or not. Nothing
to
do with physics.


It has everything to do with physics.

Nothing to do with physics. It is what the body feels comfortable at.

The body may be a complex biological system but thermoregulation and
factors associated with it still depend on principles of physics in
order to operate.

Of course in your case this may be different, since you are able to
travel through time etc.




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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:14:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote:



Balls!! If it was designed and installed well the user would love
it.

It was, he doesn't.

Balls!! It was not!!!

Lets see If I've got this right, you of indeterminate, indeed if any,
education training or experience wish us to believe that you know
more than the senior designer from the manufacturers of the equipment
installed and a number of qualified experienced heating engineers
(two of whom were M Eng Chartered Building Services Engineers, both
FCIBSE). These people spent a considerable amount of time working on
the installation yet you, who have never seen it, know more about it
than they do ?

This seems a bit improbable wouldn't you agree?

It is improbably that a well designed and specified forced air and vent
systems is exceptionally bad that is requires ripping out.


"Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a
touch of genius--and a lot of courage--to move in the opposite direction."
A. Ein

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:16:15 +0100, "IMM" wrote:



Phew I've started World War III!!

No just one know-it-all amateur pilock putting his oar in.

So why do you do it?

Oh Andy has just read How Things Work Bokk too.

Yep. Use the Aga. It does great toasted bacon butties as well....

An Aga. How naff!!!


Yeah, probably only snotty uni types make bacon butties on an Aga!

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:36:50 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


I know you don't believe in physics, but would you like to explain
how
a person with a normal body temperature of around 37 degrees gains
any
heat from air at a comfortable temperature of 20 degrees or so?

It is the rate of cooling that makes a body comfortable or not.
Nothing
to
do with physics.


It has everything to do with physics.

Nothing to do with physics. It is what the body feels comfortable at.

The body may be a complex biological system but thermoregulation and
factors associated with it still depend on principles of physics in
order to operate.

Yes. We all know that.

Of course in your case this may
be different, since you are able to
travel through time etc.

I can?


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:16:40 +0100, "IMM"
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On warm up,
forced air initially heats the air which then heats the body,
which
is

what

is needed.

I would rather not be in a room where the air is hotter than my
body
temperature thank you very much.


Then be in cold room then. No accounting for odd tastes.


Hmm. Once again a total failure to actually grasp the point being
made.

He likes cold rooms.

No he doesn't.
I know you don't believe in physics, but would you like to explain how
a person with a normal body temperature of around 37 degrees gains any
heat from air at a comfortable temperature of 20 degrees or so?

It is the rate of cooling that makes a body comfortable or not. Nothing to
do with physics.

You do realise the physics is a science that deals with matter and energy
and their interactions, not one of the Mr Men gone so bad he should be
avoided at all costs?

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:16:15 +0100, "IMM" wrote:

Phew I've started World War III!!

No just one know-it-all amateur pilock putting his oar in.

So why do you do it?

Oh Andy has just read How Things Work Bokk too.

Yep. Use the Aga. It does great toasted bacon butties as well....

An Aga. How naff!!!

Yeah, probably only snotty uni types make bacon butties on an Aga!

That one does.


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Balls!! If it was designed and installed well the user would love
it.

It was, he doesn't.

Balls!! It was not!!!

Lets see If I've got this right, you of indeterminate, indeed if any,
education training or experience wish us to believe that you know
more than the senior designer from the manufacturers of the equipment
installed and a number of qualified experienced heating engineers
(two of whom were M Eng Chartered Building Services Engineers, both
FCIBSE). These people spent a considerable amount of time working on
the installation yet you, who have never seen it, know more about it
than they do ?

This seems a bit improbable wouldn't you agree?

It is improbably that a well designed and specified forced air and vent
systems is exceptionally bad that is requires ripping out.


"Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes
a
touch of genius--and a lot of courage--to move in the opposite direction."
A. Ein

and???


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On warm up,
forced air initially heats the air which then heats the body,
which
is

what

is needed.

I would rather not be in a room where the air is hotter than my
body
temperature thank you very much.


Then be in cold room then. No accounting for odd tastes.


Hmm. Once again a total failure to actually grasp the point being
made.

He likes cold rooms.

No he doesn't.
I know you don't believe in physics, but would you like to explain how
a person with a normal body temperature of around 37 degrees gains any
heat from air at a comfortable temperature of 20 degrees or so?

It is the rate of cooling that makes a body comfortable or not. Nothing
to
do with physics.

You do realise the physics is a science that deals with matter and energy
and their interactions,

I certainly do.


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Phew I've started World War III!!

No just one know-it-all amateur pilock putting his oar in.

So why do you do it?

Oh Andy has just read How Things Work Bokk too.

Yep. Use the Aga. It does great toasted bacon butties as well....

An Aga. How naff!!!

Yeah, probably only snotty uni types make bacon butties on an Aga!

That one does.


Is everyone in the world a snotty uni type?

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:16:15 +0100, "IMM"
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Phew I've started World War III!!

No just one know-it-all amateur pilock putting his oar in.

So why do you do it?

Oh Andy has just read How Things Work Bokk too.

Yep. Use the Aga. It does great toasted bacon butties as
well....

An Aga. How naff!!!

Yeah, probably only snotty uni types make bacon butties on an Aga!

That one does.


Is everyone in the world a snotty uni type?

No. Only those who go to snotty uni's. My uni was not snotty.


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:29:47 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"SC" wrote in message
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Is everyone in the world a snotty uni type?

No. Only those who go to snotty uni's. My uni was not snotty.

The fact that you refer to it as a "uni" implies that it probably
is/was ...

Which university was it, by the way .... ?

Julian

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The fact that you refer to it as a "uni" implies that it probably
is/was ...

I suspect it may be more because he would have difficulty spelling
the complete word.

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http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:07:35 +0100, "IMM" wrote:




"Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes
a
touch of genius--and a lot of courage--to move in the opposite direction."
A. Ein

and???



.... and some of the seed fell on stony ground.....


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As much fun as this is, and my hubby's fav thing to do today: look at what
the latest post the looney has left; why do it?

Is it like having a wobbly tooth, you just can help but poke it?

Suzanne

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:00:15 +0100, "SC" wrote:

As much fun as this is, and my hubby's fav thing to do today: look at what
the latest post the looney has left; why do it?

Is it like having a wobbly tooth, you just can help but poke it?

Suzanne


We keep hoping that we'll wake up and find sixpence under the pillow
because the tooth has fallen out, but it doesn't seem to have happened
yet.....


..andy

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"Julian Fowler" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:29:47 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"SC" wrote in message
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Is everyone in the world a snotty uni type?

No. Only those who go to snotty uni's. My uni was not snotty.

The fact that you refer to it as a "uni" implies that it probably
is/was ...

Which university was it, by the way .... ?

Not a snotty one.


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:40:17 +0100, Julian Fowler
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The fact that you refer to it as a "uni" implies that it probably
is/was ...

I suspect it may be more because he would have difficulty spelling
the complete word.

Is this army wit?


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:00:15 +0100, "SC" wrote:

As much fun as this is, and my hubby's fav thing to do today: look at
what
the latest post the looney has left; why do it?

Is it like having a wobbly tooth, you just can help but poke it?

Suzanne


We keep hoping that we'll wake up and find sixpence under the pillow
because the tooth has fallen out, but it doesn't seem to have happened
yet.....

Andy, thee will be no space under your pillow for the tooth, as you big
colour How Things Work book is there.


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:45:48 +0100, Andy Hall
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We keep hoping that we'll wake up and find sixpence under the pillow
because the tooth has fallen out, but it doesn't seem to have happened
yet.....

It's not his tooth we hope will fall off.


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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:55:27 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


Is this army wit?

Possibly, however I wouldn't know, you would need to ask someone who
has served in the army.

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:45:48 +0100, Andy Hall
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We keep hoping that we'll wake up and find sixpence under the pillow
because the tooth has fallen out, but it doesn't seem to have happened
yet.....

It's not his tooth we hope will fall off.

Military wit again. ROFL.


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