I have had a Baxi 105He fitted two months ago and i have still not
received any certificate from corgi. the guy who fitted the boiler is
registered with corgi and he appears on their web site. I am unsure if
he has commissioned the boiler as the page at the back of the boiler
manual that shows the commissioning details has not been filled in. Is
there anything else that i should find out if he has done, what should
i do now?

In article .com,
"imperial" writes:
I have had a Baxi 105He fitted two months ago and i have still not
received any certificate from corgi. the guy who fitted the boiler is
registered with corgi and he appears on their web site. I am unsure if
he has commissioned the boiler as the page at the back of the boiler
manual that shows the commissioning details has not been filled in. Is
there anything else that i should find out if he has done, what should
i do now?

Start by asking the installer to come and fill in the commissioning
details (and more importantly the Benchmark card which came with
the boiler, if he hasn't already). If you get no joy, ask CORGI.

A friend is having a boiler replaced at the moment. The installer
is a self-employed CORGI. He charges £100 extra per installation
to do all the regulatory notifications/paperwork which is what he
works out it costs him to keep up with the bureaucracy. He advises
customers to check with the local BCO as it's sometimes cheaper to
do a notification through them rather than have him do it.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

A friend is having a boiler replaced at the moment. The installer
is a self-employed CORGI. He charges £100 extra per installation
to do all the regulatory notifications/paperwork which is what he
works out it costs him to keep up with the bureaucracy. He advises
customers to check with the local BCO as it's sometimes cheaper to
do a notification through them rather than have him do it.

That has interesting implications for anyone who's having a boiler
fitted as part of other refurbishment which means a building notice is
already being submitted; it wouldn't cost much more to include a boiler
replacement. How does that work in practice; does the CORGI pass on all
responsibility for the installation (all paperwork and the integrity of
the installation) to the BCO?

David

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article .com,
"imperial" writes:

I have had a Baxi 105He fitted two months ago and i have still not
received any certificate from corgi. the guy who fitted the boiler is
registered with corgi and he appears on their web site. I am unsure if
he has commissioned the boiler as the page at the back of the boiler
manual that shows the commissioning details has not been filled in. Is
there anything else that i should find out if he has done, what should
i do now?


Start by asking the installer to come and fill in the commissioning
details (and more importantly the Benchmark card which came with
the boiler, if he hasn't already). If you get no joy, ask CORGI.

A friend is having a boiler replaced at the moment. The installer
is a self-employed CORGI. He charges £100 extra per installation
to do all the regulatory notifications/paperwork which is what he
works out it costs him to keep up with the bureaucracy. He advises
customers to check with the local BCO as it's sometimes cheaper to
do a notification through them rather than have him do it.


Most Corgis are illiterate anyway

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:29:20 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article .com,
"imperial" writes:
I have had a Baxi 105He fitted two months ago and i have still not
received any certificate from corgi. the guy who fitted the boiler is
registered with corgi and he appears on their web site. I am unsure if
he has commissioned the boiler as the page at the back of the boiler
manual that shows the commissioning details has not been filled in. Is
there anything else that i should find out if he has done, what should
i do now?

Start by asking the installer to come and fill in the commissioning
details (and more importantly the Benchmark card which came with
the boiler, if he hasn't already). If you get no joy, ask CORGI.

A friend is having a boiler replaced at the moment. The installer
is a self-employed CORGI. He charges £100 extra per installation
to do all the regulatory notifications/paperwork which is what he
works out it costs him to keep up with the bureaucracy. He advises
customers to check with the local BCO as it's sometimes cheaper to
do a notification through them rather than have him do it.

I would reckon on the £100 being a fair estimate of the time expense and
trouble involved. However I view the £100 as being part of the job which
could be discounted for a 'grey market install' which is not a segment I
wish to deal with.

The law requires that the comissioning procedures are followed. In a
typical example with a modern boiler this might only be obvious checks
(like is it leaking) and a simple gas pressure measurement.

Now let's say you were upgrading a heating system:
Existing is a Thorn Apollo installed by Servowarm with manual
diverter valve.

You replace just about every thing including the HWC you add full S-plan
controls, previous the boiler was plugged into a 13A socket by the boiler.

Now to complete the required Dead Tree Abuse....

Notifications via CORGI for
Heating controls
Fused spur for boiler supply (supply is in kitchen).
Boiler replacement.
Vented cylinder.

The Benchmark log book would have to be filled in anyway but often was not
done. Without this the manufacturers might wriggle on the guarantee.

The guarantee form needs to be countersigned by the
installer or commissioning fitter.

The electrics will need a minor works certificate from results indicated
by you certified as calibrated 16th Edition tester.

It's not only your time on site it time doing the notifications online and
there is substantial cost to amortise on the test gear.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:39:29 +0000, Lobster wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

A friend is having a boiler replaced at the moment. The installer
is a self-employed CORGI. He charges £100 extra per installation
to do all the regulatory notifications/paperwork which is what he
works out it costs him to keep up with the bureaucracy. He advises
customers to check with the local BCO as it's sometimes cheaper to
do a notification through them rather than have him do it.

That has interesting implications for anyone who's having a boiler
fitted as part of other refurbishment which means a building notice is
already being submitted; it wouldn't cost much more to include a boiler
replacement. How does that work in practice; does the CORGI pass on all
responsibility for the installation (all paperwork and the integrity of
the installation) to the BCO?

David

CORGI members are permitted to self certify the boiler and other
components as compliant with the various regs.

The boiler replacement might add susbstantially to the scale charge for
the BCO notice but less so as part of a big job.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

Ed Sirett wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:39:29 +0000, Lobster wrote:

That has interesting implications for anyone who's having a boiler
fitted as part of other refurbishment which means a building notice is
already being submitted; it wouldn't cost much more to include a boiler
replacement. How does that work in practice; does the CORGI pass on all
responsibility for the installation (all paperwork and the integrity of
the installation) to the BCO?

CORGI members are permitted to self certify the boiler and other
components as compliant with the various regs.

The boiler replacement might add susbstantially to the scale charge for
the BCO notice but less so as part of a big job.

Sure, that's what I was getting at - eg, for my local council, once your
building notice exceeds 5K, if you added on a job valued at 2K (for
fitting a new boiler), the extra fee would be no more than about £25;
depending on the costs involved you might even stay within the same band
and pay nothing more at all.

David

Ed Sirett wrote:

Now let's say you were upgrading a heating system:
Existing is a Thorn Apollo installed by Servowarm with manual
diverter valve.

You replace just about every thing including the HWC you add full S-plan
controls, previous the boiler was plugged into a 13A socket by the boiler.

Now to complete the required Dead Tree Abuse....

snip

The electrics will need a minor works certificate from results indicated
by you certified as calibrated 16th Edition tester.

Presuambly wouldn't the above have to be performed by a Part-P
registered person; ie assuming the engineer isn't, then a suitably
registered electrician would be needed to do it?

David