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How to Terminate Network Cables
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Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? TIA Phil |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:17:54 +0100, "thescullster"
scrawled: Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? Yes, although technically not and some people say it's abig no-no but I have never had a problem with some of my temporary connections that have been in for a while and temporary leads that are thrown around. Up to you really. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? You need to get a RJ45 crimping tool and some RJ45 plugs. CEF do them and usually have them on the shelf, although online may be cheaper. CPC may be a better option. You also need to know what you're doing. -- Stuart @ SJW Electrical Please Reply to group |
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"thescullster" wrote in message ... Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? TIA Phil Phil, it's a relatively easy thing to de with the correct crimper. You will need to make sure that you use the correct sequence of colours though. Email me off line and I'll explain it further. John. (remove deletethis) |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:17:54 +0100,it is alleged that "thescullster"
spake thusly in uk.d-i-y: Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? As Lurch has pointed out, some people claim this as a big no-no, I haven't had a problem however doing the same. The plugs (at least from TLC electrical) come in packs of 10 or 20 with a diagram on the bag of what length of cable to strip etc. http://www.chipmunk.cwc.net/misc/modplugs.gif (EIA/TIA 568B is the colour coding most often used for 100baseTX and 10baseT ethernet) The big no-no issue comes from terminating solid core wire to the plug designed for stranded cable, it requires a higher force to be reliable. It seems to work quite well short-term. HTH -- There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. - Ken Olson, President of DEC, 1977 |
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thescullster wrote:
Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? Yup, done it loads of times. You need a cript tool and some plugs. A few boots to go with the plugs is a good idear as well (remeber to fit them before crimping the plug on). If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? www.cpc.co.uk or www.solwise.co.uk for the bits, and http://www.blackdown.org/hwb/cable/n...aightthru.html for how to wire it. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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I did it with throughout my house. You need to buy a crimper tool to compress the copper terminals in the RJ45 plug against the eight copper cables in the Cat 5 cable. Some practice will make you do it with perfection. The most important thing is to cut the eight twisted cables perfectly square, so that when pushed into the plug they all get to the end. It is also critical to align the cables in the right order. You will find that order by searching the web. If I find the website later I will post it. |
How to Terminate Network Cables
"thescullster" wrote in message ... Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? TIA Phil Cheapest solution if you have only 8 to do is to buy 4 ready made 1m patch cables (about 60p each,) cut them in half and remake on to the end of the leads using solder/heatshrink or insulating tape joints to make good. Works absolutely fine. Slurp |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:25:39 +0100, "Slurp" scrawled:
Cheapest solution if you have only 8 to do is to buy 4 ready made 1m patch cables (about 60p each,) cut them in half and remake on to the end of the leads using solder/heatshrink or insulating tape joints to make good. Works absolutely fine. Now that is rough. -- Stuart @ SJW Electrical Please Reply to group |
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"thescullster" wrote in message ... Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? TIA Phil ================= Screwfix probably do everything you need. I use this: http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...84617&id=30318 Cic. |
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"thescullster" wrote in message ... Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? TIA Phil ================== p.s. I can't find my diagram for the connections but this is pretty clear: http://www.avontech.co.uk/advice/cat5.htm Cic. |
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Slurp wrote:
Cheapest solution if you have only 8 to do is to buy 4 ready made 1m patch cables (about 60p each,) cut them in half and remake on to the end of the leads using solder/heatshrink or insulating tape joints to make good. Works absolutely fine. No no no no no no no.... no no no! That is a very very bad idea! That is a very nasty bodge, and you'll either not get good connections to begin with, or the cables will fall apart. Do it properly and buy a box of cable, some RJ45s and a half decent crimper (and crimp them properly too :)) Alex -- Alex Meaden Technical Support Officer Computing Service University of Kent |
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ukdotcom says... Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? Yes - just make sure you use plugs designed for solid-core cable. I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? A quick Google only found this http://cavuk.com/product.php?productid=246 but there must be loads of places that sell them. Ideally you'll want to get a proper crimping tool. Connection details are he http://www.infinitecables.com/pr_patch.html |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:17:54 +0100, thescullster wrote:
Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? You *might* be able to bodge it without the proper crimp tool but I wouldn't like to rely on the reliabilty or not... You can ceratinly buy the plugs and crimp tool but when you can get ready made cables up to 25 or 30m long for few quid is it worth the effort? -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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In article , Alex
writes Slurp wrote: Cheapest solution if you have only 8 to do is to buy 4 ready made 1m patch cables (about 60p each,) cut them in half and remake on to the end of the leads using solder/heatshrink or insulating tape joints to make good. Works absolutely fine. No no no no no no no.... no no no! That is a very very bad idea! That is a very nasty bodge, and you'll either not get good connections to begin with, or the cables will fall apart. Do it properly and buy a box of cable, some RJ45s and a half decent crimper (and crimp them properly too :)) Alex Actually does this affect the impedance of the line anymore than what the use of a punchdown socket does if done carefully. Balanced line operation is after all very robust:)) -- Tony Sayer |
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Slurp wrote on 16/10/2005 :
Cheapest solution if you have only 8 to do is to buy 4 ready made 1m patch cables (about 60p each,) cut them in half and remake on to the end of the leads using solder/heatshrink or insulating tape joints to make good. Works absolutely fine. Which is what I did long ago, using solid cored 4 pair phone wire in the middle - taking care to match up the twisted pairs. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.org |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Alex writes Slurp wrote: Cheapest solution if you have only 8 to do is to buy 4 ready made 1m patch cables (about 60p each,) cut them in half and remake on to the end of the leads using solder/heatshrink or insulating tape joints to make good. Works absolutely fine. No no no no no no no.... no no no! That is a very very bad idea! That is a very nasty bodge, and you'll either not get good connections to begin with, or the cables will fall apart. Do it properly and buy a box of cable, some RJ45s and a half decent crimper (and crimp them properly too :)) Alex Actually does this affect the impedance of the line anymore than what the use of a punchdown socket does if done carefully. Balanced line operation is after all very robust:)) -- Tony Sayer The nominal line impedance is about 133R. As you say, if you make the joint properly there is no measurable impedance mismatch at all, you would be hard pushed spotting it even using a TDR. The max useable frequency of cat5 over 10m is only 350MHz anyway. Much bull$hit is spouted about cat5 termination. Slurp |
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"Slurp" wrote in message ... Much bull$hit is spouted about cat5 termination. If you want a guarantee that it will work you do the job properly. Otherwise you bodge it and see. |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:52:16 UTC, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:17:54 +0100, thescullster wrote: Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? You *might* be able to bodge it without the proper crimp tool but I wouldn't like to rely on the reliabilty or not... You can ceratinly buy the plugs and crimp tool but when you can get ready made cables up to 25 or 30m long for few quid is it worth the effort? I think you're missing the point. He wants to crimp the plugs onto the end of *fixed* wiring - solid core. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message .uk... "Slurp" wrote in message ... Much bull$hit is spouted about cat5 termination. If you want a guarantee that it will work you do the job properly. Otherwise you bodge it and see. I assume all the joists in your loft are french polished mahogony? |
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In message , Lurch
writes On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:17:54 +0100, "thescullster" scrawled: Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? Yes, although technically not and some people say it's abig no-no but I have never had a problem with some of my temporary connections that have been in for a while and temporary leads that are thrown around. Up to you really. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? You need to get a RJ45 crimping tool and some RJ45 plugs. !0 for a quid in Maplins last time I looked CEF do them and usually have them on the shelf, although online may be cheaper. CPC may be a better option. £18 when I bought mine You also need to know what you're doing. Plenty of places on the internet telling you the connections Quite easy really -- geoff |
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"Slurp" wrote in message ... "dennis@home" wrote in message .uk... "Slurp" wrote in message ... Much bull$hit is spouted about cat5 termination. If you want a guarantee that it will work you do the job properly. Otherwise you bodge it and see. I assume all the joists in your loft are french polished mahogony? Why would I want shellac on my joists? They are pressure impregnated with preservative. |
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here it is: http://www.lanshack.com/make-cat5E.asp |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:43:41 GMT, raden scrawled:
Plenty of places on the internet telling you the connections I know that, I meant the technical aspect of it as I have seen plenty of abismally made plugs. Quite easy really ITYM easy when you know how. ;) -- Stuart @ SJW Electrical Please Reply to group |
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In message , Lurch
writes On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:43:41 GMT, raden scrawled: Plenty of places on the internet telling you the connections I know that, I meant the technical aspect of it as I have seen plenty of abismally made plugs. Quite easy really ITYM easy when you know how. ;) Know how what ? I bought a crimp tool it cuts the outer, trims the inners and crimps What more black magic is there to know ? -- geoff |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:05:59 GMT, raden scrawled:
I bought a crimp tool it cuts the outer, trims the inners and crimps What more black magic is there to know ? Have it your way, piece of ****, anyone can do it. Makes me wonder even more why I come across such appalingly made RJ45 terminations if it's so easy...... -- Stuart @ SJW Electrical Please Reply to group |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:05:59 UTC, raden wrote:
In message , Lurch writes On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:43:41 GMT, raden scrawled: Plenty of places on the internet telling you the connections I know that, I meant the technical aspect of it as I have seen plenty of abismally made plugs. Quite easy really ITYM easy when you know how. ;) Know how what ? I bought a crimp tool it cuts the outer, trims the inners and crimps What more black magic is there to know ? The right kind of cable. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:47:04 +0100, Lurch wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:05:59 GMT, raden scrawled: I bought a crimp tool it cuts the outer, trims the inners and crimps What more black magic is there to know ? Have it your way, piece of ****, anyone can do it. Makes me wonder even more why I come across such appalingly made RJ45 terminations if it's so easy...... Quite right... In principle it is easy enough: stick right coloured wires in right holes... But there are some gotchas, which include: a) (Mentioned previously) get the correct plug and crimper, especially get the correct RJ45 plug depending on whether you use solid or stranded cable. b) (Not mentioned AFAICS) Your twists. Keep the twists in the pairs twisting as close to the plug as possible. Don't over twist and don't unravel unnecessarily. The "twists" are critical to the correct operation of UTP, especially if you decide to shove gigabit/sec down them. c) Cable itself, don't bend too sharply during installation, undoes the twists again. d) Do use the right crimper. Screwdrivers and blocks of wood don't work. It's not actually very difficult, but there are a few non obvious ways to b*gger them up. One thing that will make your life easier: some RJ45 plugs (one of the AMP range IIRC) come with little extra strips of plastic with 8 holes. This lets you insert all the wires in the right order into this shroud and push the entire thing into the plug maintainting correct wire layout. It's a lot more fiddly for the occasional user to try to get the wires into a plug that doesn't use such strips. Tim |
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Thanks to all respondents
The Lanshack site is excellent Phil |
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On 16 Oct 2005 20:31:10 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
You can ceratinly buy the plugs and crimp tool but when you can get ready made cables up to 25 or 30m long for few quid is it worth the effort? I think you're missing the point. He wants to crimp the plugs onto the end of *fixed* wiring - solid core. But why bother getting fixed wiring beggering about putting plugs on each end when you buy a ready made cable for less than the cost of your time putting the ends on? Not to mention the cost of the crimper and ends... Why does fixed wiring *have* to be solid core. Patch leads are only stranded so the cores don't break under repeated flexing but AFAIK the spec is as near as damn it the same, certainly over the distances we are talking about. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:24:41 +0100, Owain wrote:
Because if you use ready-made cables you have to make RJ45-sized holes in the walls to pass them through. Grasping at straws... B-) If your going to drill a hole you may as well make sure it's the only time your going to do it. ie make it big enough to get a number of cables through rather than end up with a row of little ones... 20 to 25mm should be fine. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:17:54 +0100, "thescullster"
wrote: Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? TIA Phil Thats exactly what I did. I used the solid core cable in the cable runs in the walls, which is the correct stuff, but the plugs are designed for the stranded cable. You can get them to work, but it may take a few goes. I just purchased a manual crimp tool from Maplins. The chances of doing this without the crimp tool are slim, and they cost less than a tenner. If your gonna be trying to run this at the top speeds (1G or more) you are gonna need to take considerable care. for 100Meg its easy enough. Rick |
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geulan.com says... On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:17:54 +0100, "thescullster" wrote: Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? TIA Phil Thats exactly what I did. I used the solid core cable in the cable runs in the walls, which is the correct stuff, but the plugs are designed for the stranded cable. So why didn't you get the correct plugs? |
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"thescullster" wrote in message ... Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? Well, you don't need to go the whole modular wiring patch-panel-in-a-cabinet hog - there is a middle way here - couple of face plates on surface or flush mounting boxes (depending upon your situation up there). You can then clip the cable runs out of harms way, all you need is a krone-type IDC punchdown tool, and you don't need to worry about solid/stranded cable 'cos the faceplates are generally designed for solid. Hassle-wise I'd say couple of punchdown connections is an awful lot less fiddly then crimping RJ45 plugs onto cable, and the faceplates are only a couple of quid each tops. Patch cables are cheap as chips (for reasonable lengths). -- Richard Sampson mail me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:20:43 +0100, Rob Morley
wrote: In article , news@pen-y- geulan.com says... On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:17:54 +0100, "thescullster" wrote: Hi all Is it possible to DIY an RJ45 plug straight onto the end of Cat 5 network cable? I intend to install an 8 port switch in the loft, but don't feel that my install warants a patch panel. Wanted to stick RJ45 "ends" straight on the cable and plug this into switch - bit of a bodge I know, but don't want to go to the hassle/expense of patch panel, patch leads etc. If these are available, can anyone point me to supplier and fitting method please? TIA Phil Thats exactly what I did. I used the solid core cable in the cable runs in the walls, which is the correct stuff, but the plugs are designed for the stranded cable. So why didn't you get the correct plugs? I didn't know there were plugs for solid strands - you live & learn. |
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"RichardS" wrote: Well, you don't need to go the whole modular wiring patch-panel-in-a-cabinet hog - there is a middle way here - snip.... Thanks Richard - obvious really (but not) if you know what I mean. A few RJ45 faceplates is the way to go! Phil |
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In message , Tim S
writes On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:47:04 +0100, Lurch wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:05:59 GMT, raden scrawled: I bought a crimp tool it cuts the outer, trims the inners and crimps What more black magic is there to know ? Have it your way, piece of ****, anyone can do it. Makes me wonder even more why I come across such appalingly made RJ45 terminations if it's so easy...... Quite right... In principle it is easy enough: stick right coloured wires in right holes... But there are some gotchas, which include: a) (Mentioned previously) get the correct plug and crimper, especially get the correct RJ45 plug depending on whether you use solid or stranded cable. No **** sherlock b) (Not mentioned AFAICS) Your twists. Keep the twists in the pairs twisting as close to the plug as possible. Don't over twist and don't unravel unnecessarily. The "twists" are critical to the correct operation of UTP, especially if you decide to shove gigabit/sec down them. No **** sherlock c) Cable itself, don't bend too sharply during installation, undoes the twists again. No **** sherlock d) Do use the right crimper. You mentioned that before Screwdrivers and blocks of wood don't work. I've done that in an emergency, and it does (mind you - I've always gone back and redone it with a crimper It's not actually very difficult, but there are a few non obvious ways to b*gger them up. One thing that will make your life easier: some RJ45 plugs (one of the AMP range IIRC) come with little extra strips of plastic with 8 holes. This lets you insert all the wires in the right order into this shroud and push the entire thing into the plug maintainting correct wire layout. It's a lot more fiddly for the occasional user to try to get the wires into a plug that doesn't use such strips. Tim -- geoff |
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In message , Lurch
writes On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:05:59 GMT, raden scrawled: I bought a crimp tool it cuts the outer, trims the inners and crimps What more black magic is there to know ? Have it your way, piece of ****, anyone can do it. Makes me wonder even more why I come across such appalingly made RJ45 terminations if it's so easy...... I just don't see the problem -- geoff |
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In message , Bob Eager
writes On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:05:59 UTC, raden wrote: In message , Lurch writes On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:43:41 GMT, raden scrawled: Plenty of places on the internet telling you the connections I know that, I meant the technical aspect of it as I have seen plenty of abismally made plugs. Quite easy really ITYM easy when you know how. ;) Know how what ? I bought a crimp tool it cuts the outer, trims the inners and crimps What more black magic is there to know ? The right kind of cable. Oh, sorry, forgot that bit CAT5 (E) £20/1000 foot roll -- geoff |
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In message , Rick
writes So why didn't you get the correct plugs? I didn't know there were plugs for solid strands - you live & learn. Rick can you email me please my email addy is valid -- geoff |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:07:55 UTC, "TheScullster"
wrote: Thanks Richard - obvious really (but not) if you know what I mean. A few RJ45 faceplates is the way to go! Two will suffice - you can get 'four outlet' faceplates...will keep it neat. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk |
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