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My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and
coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. -- http://gymratz.co.uk - Best Gym Equipment & Bodybuilding Supplements UK. http://trade-price-supplements.co.uk - TRADE PRICED SUPPLEMENTS for ALL! http://fitness-equipment-uk.com - UK's No.1 Fitness Equipment Suppliers. http://gymratz.co.uk/hot-seat.htm - Live web-cam! (sometimes) |
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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. pushfit, pushfit, pushfit :-) |
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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote:
My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. Not how they are designed to work though: I hope they hold in the long term! David |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" saying something like: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Or simply give them a smear of Boss White or similar before you do them up in the first place. -- Dave |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" saying something like: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Or simply give them a smear of Boss White or similar before you do them up in the first place. aka jollop |
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Pet wrote:
My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. So it's a rotten useless joint, then. |
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"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote in message o.uk... My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. Use the best quality fitting like Conex, and a very slight smear of jointing compound and no probs. Don't buy cheap crap. |
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"news" wrote in message ... Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. pushfit, pushfit, pushfit :-) Push into the bin. If you need to use plastic pipe use good quality compression joints with the olive wrapped in PTFE on the plastic pipe. A far better and cheaper joint than pushfit. Also easily demountable. |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "news" wrote in message ... Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. pushfit, pushfit, pushfit :-) Push into the bin. If you need to use plastic pipe use good quality compression joints with the olive wrapped in PTFE on the plastic pipe. A far better and cheaper joint than pushfit. Also easily demountable. And buy the right tool for the job when it comes to cutting it eh ... dIMM ? -- geoff |
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Lobster wrote: Pet wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. Not how they are designed to work though: I hope they hold in the long term! Yes, strange. After fitting 2 loos, basins, bath and kitchen I ended up fitting about 20 compression onto new and (and sometimes used) olives, with no leaks ever. Maybe he stopped tightening when he heard it creaking. I tighten to the creak, then another 1/8 turn. Stop. Cheers Paul. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "news" wrote in message ... Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. pushfit, pushfit, pushfit :-) Push into the bin. If you need to use plastic pipe use good quality compression joints with the olive wrapped in PTFE on the plastic pipe. A far better and cheaper joint than pushfit. Also easily demountable. And buy the right tool for the job when it comes to cutting it Maxie, that is too right. But Maxie, using a brass compression fitting is foolproof eh ... dIMM ? Maxie, I hope Dim Lin, the Oriental enchantress is taking note. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Lobster wrote: Pet wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. Not how they are designed to work though: I hope they hold in the long term! Yes, strange. After fitting 2 loos, basins, bath and kitchen I ended up fitting about 20 compression onto new and (and sometimes used) olives, with no leaks ever. Maybe he stopped tightening when he heard it creaking. I tighten to the creak, then another 1/8 turn. Stop. Most makers say turn hand tight then one full turn. |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message eenews.net... "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote in message o.uk... My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. I found that copper olives seem to seal better than brass. I suspect it's because copper is softer than brass. Andy. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:18:52 +0100, "Andy"
scrawled: I found that copper olives seem to seal better than brass. I suspect it's because copper is softer than brass. I've never had a problem with copper or brass olives on decent or cheap crap compression fittings. 99% of mine have had the aforementioned Boss White treatment. -- Stuart @ SJW Electrical Please Reply to group |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"news" wrote in message ... Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. pushfit, pushfit, pushfit :-) Push into the bin. If you need to use plastic pipe who said anything about plastic ? |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Lobster wrote: Pet wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. Not how they are designed to work though: I hope they hold in the long term! Yes, strange. After fitting 2 loos, basins, bath and kitchen I ended up fitting about 20 compression onto new and (and sometimes used) olives, with no leaks ever. Maybe he stopped tightening when he heard it creaking. I tighten to the creak, then another 1/8 turn. Stop. Most makers say turn hand tight then one full turn. Well you only have their word to go by, having never tightened one yourself. |
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In article ,
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. I'd say either the pipe or fittings were damaged in some way - assuming you could get enough purchase to tighten them fully. But I always put a few turns of PTFE round the olive before tightening after cleaning the pipes to soldering standards. -- *I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:24:43 +0100, Doctor Drivel
wrote: pushfit, pushfit, pushfit :-) If you need to use plastic pipe use good quality compression joints with the olive wrapped in PTFE on the plastic pipe. A far better and cheaper joint than pushfit. Also easily demountable. All the pushfits I have worked with simply needed the collar to be depressed to release. No need for a spanner. How easy is that? No need for even a spanner. Also PTFE tape is for use on taper threads, not on compression joints. It is capable of making even Swagelok fittings leaky. John Schmitt -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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Richard Conway wrote: zymurgy wrote: Lobster wrote: Pet wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Not how they are designed to work though: I hope they hold in the long term! Maybe he stopped tightening when he heard it creaking. I tighten to the creak, then another 1/8 turn. Stop. I generally find that there's no need to tighten that much - after all its easy enough to nip them up a bit if the weep, but there's not much you can do if you over-tighten them and damage the olive. Well, I apprenticed as a mechanic, so must of the tightening I do is by feel. If it feels tight it is tight. It's hard to describe to someone or put into words. Cheers Paul. |
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"John Schmitt" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:24:43 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote: pushfit, pushfit, pushfit :-) If you need to use plastic pipe use good quality compression joints with the olive wrapped in PTFE on the plastic pipe. A far better and cheaper joint than pushfit. Also easily demountable. All the pushfits I have worked with simply needed the collar to be depressed to release. Only Speedfit, or the cloned Speedfit does that. No need for a spanner. How easy is that? No need for even a spanner. Most pushfit is difficult to demount. A compression joint on plastic pipe is much superior to only relying on a very thin O ring - and cheaper. Even with expensive plastic pipe cutters the odd nick can be left on the pipe end and the O ring can be nipped. Then the grab rings can fail and the fitting shoots out leaving a full open end. Some of the grab rings and corrode with time if on the wet side of the O ring, again failing and catastrophic failures. A compression joint is much more forgiving. No contest use compression on plastic instead of pushfit fitting, which can take some force to push on, especially in awkward locations. Many in the trade have moved over to good quality compression joints when using plastic pipes, completely disregarding and type of pushfit fitting.. Also PTFE tape is for use on taper threads, not on compression joints. The plastic makers recommend the olive is wrapped with PTFE. I do not recommend that an olive is wrapped with PTFE on a copper pipe, just a "smear" of jointing paste. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article , "Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. I'd say either the pipe or fittings were damaged in some way - assuming you could get enough purchase to tighten them fully. But I always put a few turns of PTFE round the olive before tightening Appalling senile missadvice. DO NOT use PTFE on the olive when using copper pipe. Use a "smear" of jointing paste. "Always" use good quality compression joints, like Conex and Kuterlite. Don't complain if you bought el cheapo fittings and had problems. Wickes sell Conex fittings and at decent prices too. |
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"Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Lobster wrote: Pet wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. Not how they are designed to work though: I hope they hold in the long term! Yes, strange. After fitting 2 loos, basins, bath and kitchen I ended up fitting about 20 compression onto new and (and sometimes used) olives, with no leaks ever. Maybe he stopped tightening when he heard it creaking. I tighten to the creak, then another 1/8 turn. Stop. Most makers say turn hand tight then one full turn. Well you only have their word to go by, snip idiotic drivel |
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"news" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "news" wrote in message ... Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬) wrote: My tip for these PITA inventions is compress them up then undo them and coat the olive in a healthy dose of Fernox-LSX silicone or similar. Spent many hours Saturday faffing around behind the newly fixed basin & pedestal with a tissue trying to find several weepers. Silicone (as above) and a cup of tea while it cured did the job a treat. pushfit, pushfit, pushfit :-) Push into the bin. If you need to use plastic pipe who said anything about plastic ? I did. Now you know, so be grateful. |
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wrote:
Well, I apprenticed as a mechanic, so must of the tightening I do is by feel. If it feels tight it is tight. Me too. As an Agricultural mechanic, so working on compression fittings on hydraulics etc for numerous years. It's not a new science for me, just seems that the last batch of isolation valves I picked up seem to have given no end of problems WRT leaking. -- http://gymratz.co.uk - Best Gym Equipment & Bodybuilding Supplements UK. http://trade-price-supplements.co.uk - TRADE PRICED SUPPLEMENTS for ALL! http://fitness-equipment-uk.com - UK's No.1 Fitness Equipment Suppliers. http://gymratz.co.uk/hot-seat.htm - Live web-cam! (sometimes) |
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In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote: I'd say either the pipe or fittings were damaged in some way - assuming you could get enough purchase to tighten them fully. But I always put a few turns of PTFE round the olive before tightening Appalling senile missadvice. DO NOT use PTFE on the olive when using copper pipe. Think most know by now that your joints have a habit of leaking... Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. "Always" use good quality compression joints, like Conex and Kuterlite. Don't complain if you bought el cheapo fittings and had problems. Wickes sell Conex fittings and at decent prices too. I always use end feed solder fittings. But then you need some skill to use them. They're far cheaper and neater looking too. And never leak. The PTFE trick was taught to me by a plumber who could do the most beautiful pipe work you've ever seen. A true craftsman. Something you know nothing about. -- *Even a blind pig stumbles across an acorn now and again * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ws.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: I'd say either the pipe or fittings were damaged in some way - assuming you could get enough purchase to tighten them fully. But I always put a few turns of PTFE round the olive before tightening Appalling senile missadvice. DO NOT use PTFE on the olive when using copper pipe. Think Don't think, it does you no good snip senile drivel |
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In article ,
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" wrote: Well, I apprenticed as a mechanic, so must of the tightening I do is by feel. If it feels tight it is tight. Me too. As an Agricultural mechanic, so working on compression fittings on hydraulics etc for numerous years. It's not a new science for me, just seems that the last batch of isolation valves I picked up seem to have given no end of problems WRT leaking. Have you examined them for signs of damage? If the pipe is fine, and the olive and mating tapers all ok they really should be fine with no gunge. -- *Sleep with a photographer and watch things develop Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. I suspect that the brochure for whatever 'jointing paste' he's on about metioned using it on olives. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
Appalling senile missadvice. DO NOT use PTFE on the olive when using copper pipe. Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Why is PTFE wrong, but jointing paste is OK? David |
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"Richard Conway" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote: Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. I suspect that the brochure He is giving up his guard. This is either Maxie (lover boy), Plowman (the senile one), Lord Hall or Tomlinson (the nutter from JM uni). Fancy trying to be Russ Conway. Pathetic. Lunacy reigns supreme here. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Richard Conway" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote: Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. I suspect that the brochure He is giving up his guard. This is either Maxie (lover boy), Plowman (the senile one), Lord Hall or Tomlinson (the nutter from JM uni). Fancy trying to be Russ Conway. Pathetic. Lunacy reigns supreme here. Just because one fool here posts under various guises doesn't mean that we all do, no matter what the voices in your head keep telling you. |
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"Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote: Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. I suspect that the brochure He is giving up his guard. This is either Maxie (lover boy), Plowman (the senile one), Lord Hall or Tomlinson (the nutter from JM uni). Fancy trying to be Russ Conway. Pathetic. Lunacy reigns supreme here. Just because one fool here posts under various guises .....and you are him!!!!! What made you think of a piano players name? Conway? Awful name. Think of a better one, like the Duke of Windsor or whatever. |
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In article ,
Lobster wrote: Appalling senile missadvice. DO NOT use PTFE on the olive when using copper pipe. Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Why is PTFE wrong, but jointing paste is OK? No point in asking Drivel anything that requires original thought. If he can't find the answer on a website or catalogue he's stumped. -- *No radio - Already stolen. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote: Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. I suspect that the brochure He is giving up his guard. This is either Maxie (lover boy), Plowman (the senile one), Lord Hall or Tomlinson (the nutter from JM uni). Fancy trying to be Russ Conway. Pathetic. Lunacy reigns supreme here. Just because one fool here posts under various guises ....and you are him!!!!! What made you think of a piano players name? Conway? Awful name. Think of a better one, like the Duke of Windsor or whatever. The Duke of Windsor is not a name, its a title. I do play the piano as it happens (albeit badly) - but I was named long before I learnt to play. |
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"Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote: Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. I suspect that the brochure He is giving up his guard. This is either Maxie (lover boy), Plowman (the senile one), Lord Hall or Tomlinson (the nutter from JM uni). Fancy trying to be Russ Conway. Pathetic. Lunacy reigns supreme here. Just because one fool here posts under various guises ....and you are him!!!!! What made you think of a piano players name? Conway? Awful name. Think of a better one, like the Duke of Windsor or whatever. The Duke of Windsor is not a name, its a title. I do play the piano as it happens (albeit badly) - but I was named long before I learnt to play. You can easily change your name you know. How about Lord Hall. That's a good one. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote: Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. I suspect that the brochure He is giving up his guard. This is either Maxie (lover boy), Plowman (the senile one), Lord Hall or Tomlinson (the nutter from JM uni). Fancy trying to be Russ Conway. Pathetic. Lunacy reigns supreme here. Just because one fool here posts under various guises ....and you are him!!!!! What made you think of a piano players name? Conway? Awful name. Think of a better one, like the Duke of Windsor or whatever. The Duke of Windsor is not a name, its a title. I do play the piano as it happens (albeit badly) - but I was named long before I learnt to play. You can easily change your name you know. So it would appear |
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"Richard Conway" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: "Richard Conway" idiotically wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote: Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Please explain in detail the actual difference in this application between 'jointing paste' - which could be anything - and PTFE tape? Neither are strictly necessary anyway. I suspect that the brochure He is giving up his guard. This is either Maxie (lover boy), Plowman (the senile one), Lord Hall or Tomlinson (the nutter from JM uni). Fancy trying to be Russ Conway. Pathetic. Lunacy reigns supreme here. Just because one fool here posts under various guises ....and you are him!!!!! What made you think of a piano players name? Conway? Awful name. Think of a better one, like the Duke of Windsor or whatever. The Duke of Windsor is not a name, its a title. I do play the piano as it happens (albeit badly) - but I was named long before I learnt to play. You can easily change your name you know. So it would appear It really does appear that way. |
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"Lobster" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: Appalling senile missadvice. DO NOT use PTFE on the olive when using copper pipe. Use a "smear" of jointing paste. Why is PTFE wrong, but jointing paste is OK? David Paste works its way into any imperfections where the fitting meets the olive. |
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