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Good, strong gloves, but not leather?
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Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. |
"David Pearson" wrote in message ... G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. =================== Look in B&Q, Focus etc. for bright yellow / orange gloves. They're rubberised cotton (I think!) and more durable than most gloves. Good for rough work but not particularly good where a sensitive touch is needed. Cic. |
"Cicero" wrote in message ... "David Pearson" wrote in message ... G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. =================== Look in B&Q, Focus etc. for bright yellow / orange gloves. They're rubberised cotton (I think!) and more durable than most gloves. Good for rough work but not particularly good where a sensitive touch is needed. I think the sheds charge an arm and leg (well another arm anyway) for these, as a profit leader. You get virtually the same gloves for 50p at a DIY stall at a Saturday market that would cost £3 in the high street. |
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"Cicero" writes: Look in B&Q, Focus etc. for bright yellow / orange gloves. They're rubberised cotton (I think!) and more durable than most gloves. Good for rough work but not particularly good where a sensitive touch is needed. I was wearing some whilst using the angle grinder to cut roofing tiles. I did accidently touch the cutting disc at one point and they protected me from that (leather would have been better protection against a more serious attempt at cutting a finger off). They end up full of sweat though, as they can't breath, and they take ages to dry out. -- Andrew Gabriel |
Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same
job as leather ones, but that are not leather? P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian You could always be practical - the animal is dead, and by refusing to use leather made from its hide ensures it at least partially died in vain :-} -- Please add the word "newsgroup" in the subject line of personal emails **** My email address includes "ngspamtrap" and " **** |
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David Pearson wrote: G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. You could check with the Vegetarian Society. They may have appropriate companies who have registered with them to use their 'Seedling Symbol'. Even if not they're likely to have someone who knows the answer to your question. www.vegsoc.org 0161 925 2000 NB Don't put a uk at the end of org; that's someone else. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
"David Pearson" wrote in message ... G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. Arco do a kevlar lined pvc dipped glove... |
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:12:22 +0000 (UTC), "David Pearson"
wrote: Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? Yes, they're either very cheap or very expensive. You can find orange knit "gripper" gloves with rubbery "strings" across them cheaply at any market tool stall. These are great - hard wearing for handling bricks and masonry and well ventilated for working hard. They're useless for waterproofing or garden waste though as things catch on the surface. Next step up is PVC gloves from a typical toolshop. These are waterproof (depending on cuff length) and if you get the heavyweight ones, then they're good for bramble-clearing too. However you'll swat like a pig in them. If you can be bothered, taking a hole punch to the backs and ventilating them a bit can help a lot - use a hole punch, because sharp skewer holes will tear. Then you're off to Arco (real industrial supplier, on the web too) and spending serious money. They have _lots_ of gloves and you can "mis use" some sorts for other purposes. Hydrogen peroxide handling gloves are vegetarian (they must avoid anything flammable when doused in a powerful oxidiser) and practically bombproof, but you have to find them mil-surplus to be affordable. I still haven't found non-leather welding gloves though, either cheap tough gauntlets, or flexible kid gloves for delicate TIG welding (I use Luftwaffe officer's uniform gloves) |
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Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? There are a few options, but they are not direct replacements as such. Kevlar as others have said is close. Nitrile dipped cotton are good for anything wet, and offer quite good resistance to puncture. The woven handling gloves can also be very good for some tasks. These are coated with a mesh of latex ribs and give them massive grip on flat heavy usually difficult to grip things like sheets of MDF, chip or plasterboard. For delicate tasks (painting, plumbing, car washing) then latex examination gloves are very good for slight hand protection but also keeping them clean. Finally for protection from dangerous sharp edges you can also get chainmail gloves. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... ... flexible kid gloves for delicate TIG welding (I use Luftwaffe officer's uniform gloves) Beekeepers' gloves. Come with thick cotton 'sleeves' to protect well up the arm from sparks too. But not very good for brambles and roses, holly, thistles, hawthorne, blackthorn, pyracantha and the rest of the very prickly stuff in our garden :-( For dealing with those I use the green rippled plastic palmed gloves which are univesally available. Yes, I sweat inside a bit but keep taking them off and also have a second pair to hand. As it were. After use I sprinkle their insides with talc. Mary |
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Huge wrote: "David Pearson" writes: G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. I have no answer to your question, but I commend you on your quest. I know numbers of people who describe themselves as vegetarian, but are no such thing; what they mean is that they do not eat red meat. Pescivores? ;-) Before they ran the recent "Can you keep it up for a week?" campaign the VegSoc were handing out reminder cards for restaurants saying that, if it had a face, it shouldn't be served to vegetarians. Too many so-called professional caterers think that a tuna salad is a good vegetarian option - and very few appreciate the minefield in the sweet course. ;-( Linking back to relevance to DIY - just because someone is paid to do a job doesn't mean that they automatically do it better than amateurs. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
"David Pearson" wrote Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks everyone, for all this info. One thing concerns me about the orange woven gloves with rubbery webbing on them. If a piece got itself attached to a moving power tool, I worry that nasty things could happen. One poster (Andrew Gabriel) had one interact with his angle grinder and nothing bad happened, but can anyone else give me such good news about these things? (Or the opposite, if they have any fingers left to type with!?). The coated kevlar sounds good for really hand- damaging jobs. As for the ethics of using bits of dead cow, I refuse to be drawn. Especially on a DIY newsgroup! Moooo... -D. Pearson |
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David Pearson wrote: As for the ethics of using bits of dead cow, I refuse to be drawn. Especially on a DIY newsgroup! I think the problem is more with breeding the cow for killing rather than using bits of an already dead cow. Taking DIY to a theoretical extreme maybe we shouldn't be asking people to do what we wouldn't do ourselves - and lots would be reasonably reluctant to kill other animals. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
"John Cartmell" wrote in message ... In article , David Pearson wrote: As for the ethics of using bits of dead cow, I refuse to be drawn. Especially on a DIY newsgroup! I think the problem is more with breeding the cow for killing rather than using bits of an already dead cow. Taking DIY to a theoretical extreme maybe we shouldn't be asking people to do what we wouldn't do ourselves - and lots would be reasonably reluctant to kill other animals. The trouble with killing a cow in UK is that we're not allowed to do it ourselves whether we wanted to or not. I'd be happy to do it with a cow or bullock I knew. Mary |
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In article , Huge wrote: "David Pearson" writes: G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. Before they ran the recent "Can you keep it up for a week?" campaign the VegSoc were handing out reminder cards for restaurants saying that, if it had a face, it shouldn't be served to vegetarians. Too many so-called professional caterers think that a tuna salad is a good vegetarian option - and very few appreciate the minefield in the sweet course. ;-( Hmm. Worms don't have faces. |
"Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. Before they ran the recent "Can you keep it up for a week?" campaign the VegSoc were handing out reminder cards for restaurants saying that, if it had a face, it shouldn't be served to vegetarians. Too many so-called professional caterers think that a tuna salad is a good vegetarian option - and very few appreciate the minefield in the sweet course. ;-( Hmm. Worms don't have faces. Depends what you define as a face. Mary |
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Stirling wrote: John Cartmell wrote: In article , Huge wrote: "David Pearson" writes: G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. Before they ran the recent "Can you keep it up for a week?" campaign the VegSoc were handing out reminder cards for restaurants saying that, if it had a face, it shouldn't be served to vegetarians. Too many so-called professional caterers think that a tuna salad is a good vegetarian option - and very few appreciate the minefield in the sweet course. ;-( Hmm. Worms don't have faces. As far as I'm aware there aren't too many restaurants trying to serve worms - at least not with their customers' agreement. You do get restaurants (and, more problematically, caterers) offering fish as a vegetarian option. Frequently it's the *only* 'vegetarian' option. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
"John Cartmell" wrote in message ... As far as I'm aware there aren't too many restaurants trying to serve worms - at least not with their customers' agreement. You do get restaurants (and, more problematically, caterers) offering fish as a vegetarian option. Frequently it's the *only* 'vegetarian' option. Or something cheesy. When we didn't eat meat and went to restaurants I just asked for the main meal without the meat. They still said they had 'vegetarian options' but I declined. Mary |
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Tim writes: In article , says... Or something cheesy. "Vegetarian" (without further explanation) does not preclude eating cheese. Anyone that eats anything made with the milk of X ought to be prepared to eat the meat of X as well. You don't get cows' milk without calves, and the male calves won't grow up to produce milk. If you drink cow's milk or eat cheese made with cows' milk, you're implicitly condoning the slaughter of young male cattle for food, so you might as well eat the beef that results. -- SAm. |
"Vegetarian" (without further explanation) does not preclude eating
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"John Cartmell" wrote in message ... In article , Mary Fisher wrote: "John Cartmell" wrote in message ... As far as I'm aware there aren't too many restaurants trying to serve worms - at least not with their customers' agreement. You do get restaurants (and, more problematically, caterers) offering fish as a vegetarian option. Frequently it's the *only* 'vegetarian' option. Or something cheesy. Not always vegetarian! I know, it rarely is, but the restaurants either don't know that or don't say anything about it. When we didn't eat meat and went to restaurants I just asked for the main meal without the meat. They still said they had 'vegetarian options' but I declined. Try that and forget the gravy and the fat. ;-( Of course. We very rarely eat out thesedays although we eat lots of meat at home. In fact there's only one place we're prepared to go, one we trust. Mary |
"Tim" wrote in message m... In article , says... Or something cheesy. "Vegetarian" (without further explanation) does not preclude eating cheese. Do you know how cheese is made? Mary -- Tim |
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:23:50 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: The trouble with killing a cow in UK is that we're not allowed to do it ourselves whether we wanted to or not. I'd be happy to do it with a cow or bullock I knew. Are you sure about that? I thought you could kill your own cow for your own consumption. A farmer I know in the new forest kills his own pigs for his own use. He also sells pork and pork sausages from his farm for which he uses his own pigs that have been sent to an abbatoir 100 miles away and then sent back. (Seems like a real waste of a journey). Mr F. |
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Tim wrote: In article , says... Or something cheesy. "Vegetarian" (without further explanation) does not preclude eating cheese. There is no legal definition of 'vegetarian' which is the reason restaurants can get away with murder. The one definition that has long-term validity is that of the Vegetarian Society who coined the word in the first place. You'll find food preparers and restaurants using their own logos to suggest the idea of 'vegetarian' with varying degrees of concern (or non-concern) about the meat or meat products included in the product or its preparation - not to mention possible cross-contamination during cooking. As Mary suggests - the only real answer is to DIY your food. Cheese can be produced using rennet - a product derived from the slaughter of an animal - or a vegetarian equivalent. Obviously only the latter can get the 'seal of approval' though there would be other considerations as well for the VegSoc. Vegans (one step beyond vegetarian) won't eat cheese or any other dairy products at all. Vegetarians - Vegetarian Society definition - are choosy about dairy products; details on the VegSoc site at www.vegsoc.org -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:12:22 +0000 (UTC), "David Pearson"
wrote: G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. As John Rumm pointed out you can get chainmail gloves. I have seen these in use by chefs in oyster restaurants. I wouldn't want to work near any electrical installation while wearing these, however, especially something capable of supplying a high current like a car battery...you'd fry your hands off! Mr F. |
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Sam Nelson wrote: In article , Tim writes: In article , says... Or something cheesy. "Vegetarian" (without further explanation) does not preclude eating cheese. Anyone that eats anything made with the milk of X ought to be prepared to eat the meat of X as well. You don't get cows' milk without calves, and the male calves won't grow up to produce milk. If you drink cow's milk or eat cheese made with cows' milk, you're implicitly condoning the slaughter of young male cattle for food, so you might as well eat the beef that results. That's a separate matter and is an argument that divides vegetarians from vegans. Some people regard being a vegetarian as just one step they can take in a particular direction. Others regard meat reduction in their diet as a step towards being a vegetarian. Saying you must make an all or nothing choice immediately is an argument well-used by the meat industry to attempt to turn people away from reform of their diet. There is no such requirement whether your reform is for health or moral reasons and most reasonable religious prohibitions expect the occasional lapse. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
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David Pearson wrote:
Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Go to Wilkinsons and buy a few pairs of "canvas" gloves at 99p/pr. |
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Tim writes: In article , says... If you drink cow's milk or eat cheese made with cows' milk, you're implicitly condoning the slaughter of young male cattle for food, If you say so. You could still be a vegetarian though. Yes, but fairly pointlessly so, unless you're one of these people that just doesn't like meat. -- SAm. |
"John Cartmell" wrote in message ... "Vegetarian" (without further explanation) does not preclude eating cheese. Anyone that eats anything made with the milk of X ought to be prepared to eat the meat of X as well. You don't get cows' milk without calves, and the male calves won't grow up to produce milk. If you drink cow's milk or eat cheese made with cows' milk, you're implicitly condoning the slaughter of young male cattle for food, so you might as well eat the beef that results. That's a separate matter and is an argument that divides vegetarians from vegans. Some people regard being a vegetarian as just one step they can take in a particular direction. Others regard meat reduction in their diet as a step towards being a vegetarian. Saying you must make an all or nothing choice immediately is an argument well-used by the meat industry to attempt to turn people away from reform of their diet. There is no such requirement whether your reform is for health or moral reasons and most reasonable religious prohibitions expect the occasional lapse. Indeed. There are very many degrees and several reasons for choosing one's diet. Mary |
"Tim" wrote in message m... In article , says... Do you know how cheese is made? Yes. There's a number of methods, some produce cheese suitable for a vegetarian diet, some don't. Most useanimal rennetwhich, to apurist, wouldn't be acceptable. Depending, of course, on what degree or purist s/he is :-) Mary |
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John Cartmell writes: In article , Sam Nelson wrote: In article , Tim writes: In article , says... Or something cheesy. "Vegetarian" (without further explanation) does not preclude eating cheese. Anyone that eats anything made with the milk of X ought to be prepared to eat the meat of X as well. You don't get cows' milk without calves, and the male calves won't grow up to produce milk. If you drink cow's milk or eat cheese made with cows' milk, you're implicitly condoning the slaughter of young male cattle for food, so you might as well eat the beef that results. That's a separate matter and is an argument that divides vegetarians from vegans. Not quite. As far as I can tell, a fair number of vegetarians are that because they don't want animals killed to feed them. That doesn't preclude using `non-lethal' animal products---eggs, for example. My point is that dairy products are indirectly lethal to male cattle. Some people regard being a vegetarian as just one step they can take in a particular direction. Others regard meat reduction in their diet as a step towards being a vegetarian. Saying you must make an all or nothing choice immediately is an argument well-used by the meat industry to attempt to turn people away from reform of their diet. All or nothing? Absolutely not. But as long as there are people drinking cows' milk, there'll be an excess of male cattle around for no useful reason other than to kill for beef. There is no such requirement whether your reform is for health or moral reasons and most reasonable religious prohibitions expect the occasional lapse. There wasn't the slightest hint of any religious connection in what I wrote above, nor any intention for there to be such. -- SAm. |
"Mr Fizzion" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:23:50 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: The trouble with killing a cow in UK is that we're not allowed to do it ourselves whether we wanted to or not. I'd be happy to do it with a cow or bullock I knew. Are you sure about that? I thought you could kill your own cow for your own consumption. A farmer I know in the new forest kills his own pigs for his own use. Our daughter has to take her animls to the slaughterhouse to be killed. She's allowed to butcher the carcase for her own consumption. He also sells pork and pork sausages from his farm for which he uses his own pigs that have been sent to an abbatoir 100 miles away and then sent back. (Seems like a real waste of a journey). It's bad on welfare grounds and on environmental ones. It doesn't even make sense in cross infection terms, which is HMG's justification. Anyone selling animals to Tesco, for instance, has to use the slaughterhouse decreed by Tesco, some animals have to be ssent more than 200 miles away (BBC Radio 4 Farming Today, today). Mary Mr F. |
"Mr Fizzion" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:12:22 +0000 (UTC), "David Pearson" wrote: G'day. Are there any general-purpose gloves that do the same job as leather ones, but that are not leather? I.e keep your hands safe during DIY and garden work? Thanks, Veggie DIY Bloke. P.S. "Veggie" means I'm a vegetarian, not a vegetable. Although opinions differ on this. As John Rumm pointed out you can get chainmail gloves. I have seen these in use by chefs in oyster restaurants. I wouldn't want to work near any electrical installation while wearing these, however, especially something capable of supplying a high current like a car battery...you'd fry your hands off! Mail gloves are produced for use by butchers ... :-)))))))))) Mary Mr F. |
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Sam Nelson wrote: There is no such requirement whether your reform is for health or moral reasons and most reasonable religious prohibitions expect the occasional lapse. There wasn't the slightest hint of any religious connection in what I wrote above, nor any intention for there to be such. You didn't give any hint. I covered the three main reasons that people cite for reduced meat eating, eating a vegetarian or vegan diet, or choosing an even more restrictive option (eg fruitarian). Vegetarian is very much a middle position between two extremes and far from an all or nothing choice. It's likely close to the diet we evolved eating hence its generally beneficial effect on health. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
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wrote: In article , Tim writes: In article , says... If you drink cow's milk or eat cheese made with cows' milk, you're implicitly condoning the slaughter of young male cattle for food, If you say so. You could still be a vegetarian though. Yes, but fairly pointlessly so, unless you're one of these people that just doesn't like meat. Most people aren't saints despite having moral principles. You seem to suggest that people who occasionally drop litter in the streets might as well go out to rape and murder as well. We all sin; keeping sinning low is the next best idea to not sinning at all. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:20:57 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: Most useanimal rennetwhich, to apurist, wouldn't be acceptable. Depending, of course, on what degree or purist s/he is :-) Mary Quite a lot of beer and wine isn't vegetarian either since it is cleared using Isinglass finings which come from the swimbladder of a sturgeon. Real ale on handpump invariably contains Isinglass but bottled beers are sometimes cleared using other methods. If you want to know if your favourite ale is vegetarian then look at this very interesting website which contains a list of vegetarian beers and correspondence from brewers: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/geraint...ian_beers.html Mr F. |
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