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![]() Looking at a mates ring circuit wiring, the original builder (1950's bungalow) has wired the only ring final circuit up from the CU into the loft space, done a lap of the loft and then back to the CU. At each socket position there is a junction box, which takes off a single 2.5mm sq unfused spur and drops it down a conduit to the socket 5' away. The question is, is this style of wiring still permissible? It violates the guideline of having no more spurs per circuit than there are actual outlets directly on it, but I can't find anything in the regs that explicitly forbids it. (For various reasons, he is keen to rewire with as little disruption as possible and is happy to accept the limted numbers of sockets etc he currently has - so being able to reuse the conduit drops to the sockets would be ideal, but they are only large enough for one cable, unless the circuit is wired in singles and conduit added everywhere). Background for those that are interested: Got a call from my friend the other day to say that he just had a new washing machine delivered, and his house nearly managed to electrocute the delivery bod! Anyway we traced the problem to a disconnected earth on the socket in question, capacitive filters on the appliance input, and earthed pipes. Anyway we fixed that easy enough. However a look at the general state of the wiring leads us to suspect that it could probably do with a rewire PDQ. So I thought it prudent to do some tests on it. There are three/four [1] circuits in total, connected to to three rewireable fuses. All the cable is rubber or PBJ insulated (inner and outer), unearthed on the lighting circuit. Separate steel earth wire on an ex-cooker point radial (this was the one that was disconnected), and T&E construction on the ring circuit cable. The Earth fault loop impedance was actually not bad considering (no worse than 0.25 ohm in most places, rising to 0.7 on the end of several cascaded 4 way trailing leads!). TN-S supply. Insulation resistance on the lighting and ex-cooker point circuit was also ok at 200M Ohm @ 500V (surprisingly!). The ring circuit however was another matter. The best isolation between any pair of conductors being 40K ohms! The (inner) cable insulation was visibly disintegrating and would fall off if the wire was bent about much. [1] The lighting circuit seems to have two cables terminating at the CU. There is an open circuit between them, leading to the conclusion there may in fact be two separate circuits (12 light fittings - so that would also suggest more than one). For some reason however they are terminated on one fuse, in spite of there being three spare ways in the CU complete with unused 5A fuses! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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