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Hanging a gate to open up a hill.
Dear all,
I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Obviously without some "manipulation" the gates are going to hit the driveway. The only trouble is, I don't know how to do the manipulation!!! I've searched high and low and can't find a way of doing this. Can anyone please help? How can I hang my gates so they will open inwards without hitting my driveway? Thanks in advance for any help. TimO |
"TimO" wrote in message
oups.com... Dear all, I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. What is the height difference between closed, and open? Sparks... |
Off-setting and cranking the hinges. Buggered if I can describe it but
basically the centre line of the hinge pins will be perpendicular to the desired slope and not in line with the edge of the gate. er. thats it basically! |
TimO wrote:
Dear all, I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Obviously without some "manipulation" the gates are going to hit the driveway. The only trouble is, I don't know how to do the manipulation!!! I've searched high and low and can't find a way of doing this. Can anyone please help? How can I hang my gates so they will open inwards without hitting my driveway? Thanks in advance for any help. TimO Sounds like you need hinges which lift the gate ... seen these for doors but not gates. Or gates that have the right amount of clearance for the highest point ... not very helpful ... sorry. Alex |
Sparks wrote: What is the height difference between closed, and open? Sparks... I haven't measured it exactly yet. I suspect it may be up to 1 foot. Gonna measure up tomorrow, TimO |
Sparks wrote: What is the height difference between closed, and open? Sparks... I haven't measured it exactly yet. I suspect it may be up to 1 foot. Gonna measure up tomorrow, TimO PS Thanks for the quick reply! |
Sparks wrote: What is the height difference between closed, and open? Sparks... I haven't measured it exactly yet. I suspect it may be up to 1 foot. Gonna measure up tomorrow, TimO PS Thanks for the quick reply! |
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I see your thinking. The idea is sound but surely you can buy some
special hinges to do this? PS I'll have a pint of whatever your drinking! Cheers |
"TimO" wrote in message I haven't measured it exactly yet. I suspect it may be up to 1 foot. Gonna measure up tomorrow, Hang the gates a foot above the lowest point? Dave |
In message . com, TimO
writes Sparks wrote: What is the height difference between closed, and open? Sparks... I haven't measured it exactly yet. I suspect it may be up to 1 foot. Gonna measure up tomorrow, How about having the bottom foot (nominal) on a hinge so it can be bent up when open Of course, it would be possible to design one which rises as it turns, but it might be complicated -- geoff |
TimO explained on 03/08/2005 :
Dear all, I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Obviously without some "manipulation" the gates are going to hit the driveway. I have the same problem and solved it several years ago by making some custom 'offset' hinges for my DIY gates. I recently had the whole lot replaced by proffessionaly made and installed gates a few months ago - The installer scratched his head for a while, trying to work out how I had done it - then copied it.... Basically you put the top hinge pivot pin where you would normally put it on the gate. The lower pin then needs to be off set such that its centre is back a few inches (back as in slightly further up your drive). As you open the gates, it will lift out and up at the bottom and once fully open the lower edge will be leaning further out from the side - So you loose a small amount of your drives width. An alternative way (same idea) might be to set the pivot of the top hinge out to the road with the lower pivot then not needing to be so far back. Our double 14 foot (total width) gates need to rise about 6" each side, which involves an offset of around 3" in the lower hinge sets. So when fully open, the gates also lean out by 3". The easily way to calculate the off set is to hang the gate on the top hinge level in the closed position - then open it fully up such that it is at the same angle as your drive. Now measure the difference in gap between gate and gate post for your two hinge locations. That difference will be equal to the off set needed in the two hinges. A completely different method, would be to have long hinge pins upon which the gate could rise the required height - then have a roller support on the gate at around the mid point of each gate. Hope the above makes some sense - if not email me direct and I will take some photos of the gates for you. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.org |
TimO presented the following explanation :
Dear all, I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Third possibility (and probably not at all practical).... If the gates could be made such that their shape could change from rectangular, to a diamond shape with a roller support.... The hinges could be normal fixed ones and the gate itself adapts to the incline. That would mean every horizontal of the gate, being able to pivot in the verticals of the gate. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.org |
"TimO" wrote in message oups.com... Dear all, I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Obviously without some "manipulation" the gates are going to hit the driveway. The only trouble is, I don't know how to do the manipulation!!! If you just have vertical and horizontal members (i.e. cut out the cross bracing) you can make a rectangular gate that can distort into a parallellogram when opened. Stick a caster on the moving ends to take the weight, and Bob's your uncle. OG |
OG pretended :
If you just have vertical and horizontal members (i.e. cut out the cross bracing) you can make a rectangular gate that can distort into a parallellogram when opened. Stick a caster on the moving ends to take the weight, and Bob's your uncle. OG Great minds think alike :-) -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.org |
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... OG pretended : If you just have vertical and horizontal members (i.e. cut out the cross bracing) you can make a rectangular gate that can distort into a parallellogram when opened. Stick a caster on the moving ends to take the weight, and Bob's your uncle. OG Great minds think alike :-) If I had longer I'd have come up with a cunning device using a steel cable hung from the gatepost to support the gate when it's closed and lift the gate as it opened so that you wouldn't need a caster. something like http://www.owen.gwynne.dsl.pipex.com/Gate.htm But I didn't have time |
On 3 Aug 2005 14:19:34 -0700, "TimO" wrote:
I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Standard post and hinges, and make the gates with a sloping lower edge. This is easy, so long as you don't have small livestock (there are fixes if you do, but we'd have to know dimensions). Canting the higes is a bad idea because it means you're having to lift the weight of the gates when you open them. Just the _tiniest_ cant makes them self-closing, enough of it to clear a slope would make them unworkably heavy. |
TimO wrote in message oups.com... Dear all, I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. How can I hang my gates so they will open inwards without hitting my driveway? Thanks in advance for any help. The bottom hinge needs to be a dog leg shape, impossible to explain, I'll take a photo of one tomorrow if I go into town (The whole town is built on a hill so they are quite common) - |
"TimO" wrote in message oups.com... Dear all, I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Obviously without some "manipulation" the gates are going to hit the driveway. Why not have fun and make a pair of lifting 'Railway Crossing' gates? Yeah! |
How can I hang my gates so they will open inwards without hitting my driveway? Thanks in advance for any help. TimO Rising Hinges ? Dave |
Love that idea. It's basically a rotating railway gate!
Not sure how workable? |
Mark wrote: The bottom hinge needs to be a dog leg shape, impossible to explain, I'll take a photo of one tomorrow if I go into town (The whole town is built on a hill so they are quite common) Some photos would be great. If you didn't mind, I would really appreciate it. TimO |
A colleague of mine overcame this by having a hinge in the middle of each
gate. This halved the distance up the slope that the furthest point reached. OK if you can live with 6-7" clearance under the gate in your case Phil |
TheScullster wrote: A colleague of mine overcame this by having a hinge in the middle of each gate. This halved the distance up the slope that the furthest point reached. OK if you can live with 6-7" clearance under the gate in your case Phil Phil, Clearance under the gate can be solved with some chicken wire or similar. I'm not sure I understand what you mean though. How does putting a hinge in the middle help? Cheers, TimO |
TheScullster wrote: A colleague of mine overcame this by having a hinge in the middle of each gate. This halved the distance up the slope that the furthest point reached. OK if you can live with 6-7" clearance under the gate in your case Phil I like it. So it's basically 2 pairs of gates. Each pair hanging from a post with a hinge in the middle of them, like a concertina? Off to measure up now, so I'll see if it is viable. TimO |
A friend of mine has a drive sloping more than a foot and what he has done
was cut along the bottom of the gate then re-attatched the cut bit with some hinges and a small wheel so it acts like an outward opening letterbox or cat flap. As he pushes the gate up the slope, the wheel touches the floor and starts to lift the bottom of the gate. When the gate is closed it hangs perfcetly as though it was just a whole gate. I think its a novel idea and now want a sloping drive :p |
PeteZahut wrote: A friend of mine has a drive sloping more than a foot and what he has done was cut along the bottom of the gate then re-attatched the cut bit with some hinges and a small wheel so it acts like an outward opening letterbox or cat flap. As he pushes the gate up the slope, the wheel touches the floor and starts to lift the bottom of the gate. When the gate is closed it hangs perfcetly as though it was just a whole gate. I think its a novel idea and now want a sloping drive :p I like the sound of that too. Gives it a bit of uniqueness as well. The more I look at it, the more I want to do something a bit different. TimO |
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Rob Morley wrote:
Have the gate retract into the ground, or lift up in the air. :-) Have no gate, but instead multiple visible red laser beams that magically incinerate anything that tries to get through. Must also have a low hum noise, and a "Danger of Death" sign for H & S compliance. Failing that, Moat and drawbridge? :-) -- Adrian C |
OG wrote:
"TimO" wrote in message oups.com... I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Obviously without some "manipulation" the gates are going to hit the driveway. The only trouble is, I don't know how to do the manipulation!!! If you just have vertical and horizontal members (i.e. cut out the cross bracing) you can make a rectangular gate that can distort into a parallellogram when opened. Stick a caster on the moving ends to take the weight, and Bob's your uncle. In case it helps, I've seen a gate like that (somewhere??) so I'm sure it's workable! David |
TimO wrote:
PeteZahut wrote: A friend of mine has a drive sloping more than a foot and what he has done was cut along the bottom of the gate then re-attatched the cut bit with some hinges and a small wheel so it acts like an outward opening letterbox or cat flap. As he pushes the gate up the slope, the wheel touches the floor and starts to lift the bottom of the gate. When the gate is closed it hangs perfcetly as though it was just a whole gate. I think its a novel idea and now want a sloping drive :p I like the sound of that too. Gives it a bit of uniqueness as well. The more I look at it, the more I want to do something a bit different. How about hinging the gate along the bottom, so it can be lowered to lie flat on the ground and be driven over? A V-shaped counterbalance at the end would mean the gate could be moved with little user effort. Owain |
OG brought next idea :
If I had longer I'd have come up with a cunning device using a steel cable hung from the gatepost to support the gate when it's closed and lift the gate as it opened so that you wouldn't need a caster. something like http://www.owen.gwynne.dsl.pipex.com/Gate.htm But I didn't have time That cable idea still requires the off set to work - unless you were proposing that the cable should wind itself around the post, as the gate opened in order to shorten its length. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.org |
TimO wrote in message oups.com... Mark wrote: The bottom hinge needs to be a dog leg shape, impossible to explain, I'll take a photo of one tomorrow if I go into town (The whole town is built on a hill so they are quite common) Some photos would be great. If you didn't mind, I would really appreciate it. TimO Dog leg hinge This is a worst case, with the driveway rising and the footpath falling away as well If your footpath is level then the bottom of the gate can be straight http://tinyurl.com/ag7v2 as A D said the gate will become heavy when part opened and self closing, there is another similar one with a balance device to counter this, but didn 't go past it today to photograph. - Mark |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message ... OG brought next idea : If I had longer I'd have come up with a cunning device using a steel cable hung from the gatepost to support the gate when it's closed and lift the gate as it opened so that you wouldn't need a caster. something like http://www.owen.gwynne.dsl.pipex.com/Gate.htm But I didn't have time That cable idea still requires the off set to work - unless you were proposing that the cable should wind itself around the post, as the gate opened in order to shorten its length. Indeed, a cunning device is what I would have devised. Actually, I was wondering about something involving a counterbalance on the cable (beyond the gatepost) that would pull down on the cable, shortening it and supplying the tension to lift the free end of the gate. |
Hanging a gate to open up a hill.
replying to TimO, Charlie wrote:
Where the hinge meets the post make the hinge rod longer so that you can lift the gate UP the elongated rod then you can swing the gate inwards and lower it.if you send me your email address I I can draw it for you -- posted from http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...ll-742435-.htm using HomeOwnersHub's Web, Mobile and Social Media Interface to uk.d-i-y and other home improvement groups |
Hanging a gate to open up a hill.
On 26/03/16 16:44, Charlie wrote:
replying to TimO, Charlie wrote: Where the hinge meets the post make the hinge rod longer so that you can lift the gate UP the elongated rod then you can swing the gate inwards and lower it.if you send me your email address I I can draw it for you In eleven years I rather hope he has figured it out! Has homeownershub (spit) just added an archive of our postings to their database? -- Adrian C |
Hanging a gate to open up a hill.
On Wednesday, 3 August 2005 22:19:34 UTC+1, TimO wrote:
Dear all, I would like to install a pair of wooden 7ft gates across my driveway. Unforunately my driveway has an uphill gradient and I need to open the gates inwards. Obviously without some "manipulation" the gates are going to hit the driveway. The only trouble is, I don't know how to do the manipulation!!! I've searched high and low and can't find a way of doing this. Can anyone please help? How can I hang my gates so they will open inwards without hitting my driveway? Thanks in advance for any help. TimO The posts have to be at right angles to the road surface to give clearance tp the bottom of the gate. Or the hinge pins unequal distances from the posts, However this also means that the gate will have to be restrained in the open position with hooks, they will tend to self close. OR you have to make the bottom of the gate to be parallel to the road in the open position. Which means there is a gap when they are closed. |
Hanging a gate to open up a hill.
replying to Harry Bloomfield, trev marty wrote:
I have the same problem a photo would be terrific please -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...ll-742435-.htm |
Hanging a gate to open up a hill.
On 22/10/2018 13:44, trev marty wrote:
replying to Harry Bloomfield, trev marty wrote: I have the same problem a photo would be terrific please http://www.angelfire.com/mech/zymotic/2060802.JPG Sigh, it's on HOH! |
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