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Combi boilers
We are having trouble finding a plumber to install a combi boiler for
us. My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Do you know if it is possible or legal for my husband to do the work and a plumber come in and inspect it and pass it or would a plumber be reluctant to do this? Thanks |
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Kate11171 wrote: We are having trouble finding a plumber to install a combi boiler for us. My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Do you know if it is possible or legal for my husband to do the work and a plumber come in and inspect it and pass it or would a plumber be reluctant to do this? Thanks It's perfectly legal. How easy it is to get a CORGI to certify someone else's work, I don't know. I guess that the CORGI would want to do the gas installation and commissioning himself - leaving the physical installation and the water side to your husband. -- Cheers, Set Square ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid. |
"Kate11171" wrote in message oups.com... We are having trouble finding a plumber to install a combi boiler for us. My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Do you know if it is possible or legal for my husband to do the work and a plumber come in and inspect it and pass it or would a plumber be reluctant to do this? Thanks If he does it himself he doesn't need to be CORGI registered. The law says he needs to "competent. What he could do is fit the boiler, ask questions here first, and then get a "landlords" certificate as he is thinking of renting out. This will clear him. CORGI men do not like to check DIYers work and this is a way around this. How many bathroom, showers, etc? Combi's are arted on "flowrate" of hot water, so don't undersize. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Kate11171" wrote in message oups.com... We are having trouble finding a plumber to install a combi boiler for us. My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Do you know if it is possible or legal for my husband to do the work and a plumber come in and inspect it and pass it or would a plumber be reluctant to do this? Thanks I had the same problem getting a plumber to fit ours - I wanted to do all the plumbing and just get a corgi guy in to do the boiler. I'm sure your husband could do this himself as it is a basically easy job as long as you follow the regs about location etc.. I fitted my own boiler but got a corgi guy in to connect up the gas and check it out. It has not been officially commissioned but I have since got a landlords certificate which shows the boiler is safe. For your insurance you will probably need to have an installation certificate from a corgi bloke - it's doubtful you will find one to just come in and commission it for you. As far as the legality goes I think you must be 'competent' to work on gas but there is no definition of what 'competent' is. To be paid for work you must be corgi registered, but I think there are many diy-ers in this newsgroup who have fitted their own boilers. Regards Earl |
Set Square wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Kate11171 wrote: We are having trouble finding a plumber to install a combi boiler for us. My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Do you know if it is possible or legal for my husband to do the work and a plumber come in and inspect it and pass it or would a plumber be reluctant to do this? Thanks It's perfectly legal. How easy it is to get a CORGI to certify someone else's work, I don't know. I guess that the CORGI would want to do the gas installation and commissioning himself - leaving the physical installation and the water side to your husband. There is nothing in law to say CORGI has to get involved at all. The relevant gas legislation just says "a competant person", if it's for domestic installation, and not done for gain. However, the insurance/mortgage/landlord/... may require CORGI testing. |
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"Doctor Evil" writes: How many bathroom, showers, etc? Combi's are arted on "flowrate" of hot water, so don't undersize. Check the minimum pressure it will work at, and the minimum pressure your water company is intendeding to provide in the future. Anglian Water circulated a warning with my last bill saying that if you intend to fit a combi, it must be suitable for working down to 0.75 bar. I presume they are planning on following Thames Water and dropping mains pressures to meet their leak targets. -- Andrew Gabriel |
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:18:46 +0000, Ian Stirling wrote:
Set Square wrote: In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Kate11171 wrote: We are having trouble finding a plumber to install a combi boiler for us. My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Do you know if it is possible or legal for my husband to do the work and a plumber come in and inspect it and pass it or would a plumber be reluctant to do this? Thanks It's perfectly legal. How easy it is to get a CORGI to certify someone else's work, I don't know. I guess that the CORGI would want to do the gas installation and commissioning himself - leaving the physical installation and the water side to your husband. There is nothing in law to say CORGI has to get involved at all. The relevant gas legislation just says "a competant person", if it's for domestic installation, and not done for gain. However, the insurance/mortgage/landlord/... may require CORGI testing. We have had this discussion before. Whilst the term competent is open to clarification. There is a spectrum of opinion: from those who would say the only way to prove competance would be to have the certification that a registered fitter has: to those who say that carefully following every instruction in the book should be good enough together with enough experience of general plumbing and othe skills. The Gas Regs are clear that Landlords safety records may only be done by registered fitters. That's the beginning and end of it IMHO. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:16:05 +0100, Earl Kella wrote:
"Kate11171" wrote in message oups.com... We are having trouble finding a plumber to install a combi boiler for us. My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Do you know if it is possible or legal for my husband to do the work and a plumber come in and inspect it and pass it or would a plumber be reluctant to do this? Thanks I had the same problem getting a plumber to fit ours - I wanted to do all the plumbing and just get a corgi guy in to do the boiler. I'm sure your husband could do this himself as it is a basically easy job as long as you follow the regs about location etc.. I fitted my own boiler but got a corgi guy in to connect up the gas and check it out. It has not been officially commissioned but I have since got a landlords certificate which shows the boiler is safe. For your insurance you will probably need to have an installation certificate from a corgi bloke - it's doubtful you will find one to just come in and commission it for you. As far as the legality goes I think you must be 'competent' to work on gas but there is no definition of what 'competent' is. To be paid for work you must be corgi registered, but I think there are many diy-ers in this newsgroup who have fitted their own boilers. As of 1/4/5 there is now a requirement to notify building control about exchanging a boiler. This is the same restriction as Part P on the electrics (which also are relevant if the installation is in a kitchen or bathroom). Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:19:26 +0100, Ed Sirett
wrote: As of 1/4/5 there is now a requirement to notify building control about exchanging a boiler. This is the same restriction as Part P on the electrics (which also are relevant if the installation is in a kitchen or bathroom). Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. But with the figures quoted here on the mark-up charged by registered fitters, you could afford to replace your boiler 3 or 4 times for the cost of having one fitted. This starts to make the guarantee sound about as attractive as one of Comet's extended ones. Nick is buying an 80 pound vacuum cleaner Salesman: Do you want to extend the guarantee - it's only 40 pounds for three years Nick: Do you mean that there's a 50% chance the machine will break down in that time? Because if so, I don't want to buy the machine, and if not I don't want the guarantee. -- On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk (Waterways World site of the month, April 2001) |
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Nick Atty wrote: Nick is buying an 80 pound vacuum cleaner Salesman: Do you want to extend the guarantee - it's only 40 pounds for three years Nick: Do you mean that there's a 50% chance the machine will break down in that time? Because if so, I don't want to buy the machine, and if not I don't want the guarantee. Browsing round IIRC Comet, the poster on top of a Meile washing machine extolled the virtues of its design and construction - made for at least a 10 year life. Wonder if they still try to flog 5 year warranties on these? -- *The severity of the itch is proportional to the reach * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Browsing round IIRC Comet, the poster on top of a Meile washing machine extolled the virtues of its design and construction - made for at least a 10 year life. Wonder if they still try to flog 5 year warranties on these? I would be inclined to purloin such a showcard if purchasing the machine - could be useful evidence in a statutory rights case up to six years in the future. Although I though Mieles were g'teed for 10 years and designed for 20. Maybe Comet are selling cheap ones. Owain |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:18:30 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Nick Atty wrote: Nick is buying an 80 pound vacuum cleaner Salesman: Do you want to extend the guarantee - it's only 40 pounds for three years Nick: Do you mean that there's a 50% chance the machine will break down in that time? Because if so, I don't want to buy the machine, and if not I don't want the guarantee. Browsing round IIRC Comet, the poster on top of a Meile washing machine extolled the virtues of its design and construction - made for at least a 10 year life. Wonder if they still try to flog 5 year warranties on these? No need. It's included by the manufacturer for either 5 or 10 years depending on model. Design life is 15 to 20 years.. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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Owain wrote: Browsing round IIRC Comet, the poster on top of a Meile washing machine extolled the virtues of its design and construction - made for at least a 10 year life. Wonder if they still try to flog 5 year warranties on these? I would be inclined to purloin such a showcard if purchasing the machine - could be useful evidence in a statutory rights case up to six years in the future. Although I though Mieles were g'teed for 10 years and designed for 20. Maybe Comet are selling cheap ones. This was some time ago, and they didn't then have the 10 year warranty. And it could well have said 20 years rather than 10. The little gray cells ain't what they once were. ;-) But I did buy one, although not from Comet, and it's great. Although my previous el cheapo Indesit did near 20 years with some TLC once in a while. -- *Remember: First you pillage, then you burn. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Ed Sirett" wrote in message .co.uk... On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:16:05 +0100, Earl Kella wrote: "Kate11171" wrote in message oups.com... We are having trouble finding a plumber to install a combi boiler for us. My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Do you know if it is possible or legal for my husband to do the work and a plumber come in and inspect it and pass it or would a plumber be reluctant to do this? Thanks I had the same problem getting a plumber to fit ours - I wanted to do all the plumbing and just get a corgi guy in to do the boiler. I'm sure your husband could do this himself as it is a basically easy job as long as you follow the regs about location etc.. I fitted my own boiler but got a corgi guy in to connect up the gas and check it out. It has not been officially commissioned but I have since got a landlords certificate which shows the boiler is safe. For your insurance you will probably need to have an installation certificate from a corgi bloke - it's doubtful you will find one to just come in and commission it for you. As far as the legality goes I think you must be 'competent' to work on gas but there is no definition of what 'competent' is. To be paid for work you must be corgi registered, but I think there are many diy-ers in this newsgroup who have fitted their own boilers. As of 1/4/5 there is now a requirement to notify building control about exchanging a boiler. This is the same restriction as Part P on the electrics (which also are relevant if the installation is in a kitchen or bathroom). Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. |
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Doctor Evil wrote: Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. So you're actually admitting to *not* being CORGI registering while claiming to be a pro in the domestic heating field? Care to explain? -- *"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. So you're Madness electic caber tossing madness. |
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Doctor Evil wrote: Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. So you're actually admitting to *not* being CORGI registering while claiming to be a pro in the domestic heating field? Care to explain? Madness electic caber tossing madness. Snipping restored so Google readers can see how our resident fool not only avoids the question as well as failing to answer... -- *When did my wild oats turn to prunes and all bran? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
So you're actually admitting to *not* being CORGI registering while claiming to be a pro in the domestic heating field? Care to explain? You should know by now Dave, he does not actually *do* anything, just talks about it. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) wrote: So you're actually admitting to *not* being CORGI registering while claiming to be a pro in the domestic heating field? Care to explain? You should know by now Dave, he does not actually *do* anything, just talks about it. Says a man from Essex. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. So you're actually admitting to *not* being CORGI registering while claiming to be a pro in the domestic heating field? Care to explain? Madness electic caber tossing madness. Snipping restored so Google readers can see how our resident fool not only avoids the question as well as failing to answer... This electric caber tossing fool is dangerous. Take no notice of what he says. All his appliances were codemned and he just turned them back on again. Madness! |
In message , Doctor Evil
writes Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. Did they ******** not know They just realised it was you - a non CORGI reg'd "expert" -- geoff |
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Doctor Evil wrote: Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. So you're actually admitting to *not* being CORGI registering while claiming to be a pro in the domestic heating field? Care to explain? I was going to go for the jugular on that, but then I remembered that he'd had some previous disaster where he alluded to not being CORGI -- geoff |
In message , Doctor Evil
writes "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. So you're Madness electic caber tossing madness. .... Plumber -- geoff |
In message , John
Rumm writes Dave Plowman (News) wrote: So you're actually admitting to *not* being CORGI registering while claiming to be a pro in the domestic heating field? Care to explain? You should know by now Dave, he does not actually *do* anything, just talks about it. Ah, but he does he's prolly already sinking in the pile of tissues on the floor -- geoff |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Evil writes Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. Did they ******** not know Maxie, are you sure about that? They just realised it was you - a non CORGI reg'd "expert" And that they did. |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Evil writes "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: Most manufacturers probably won't honour the guarantee if push comes to shove unless the boiler has been commissioned by a registered fitter. Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. So you're Madness electic caber tossing madness. ... Plumber Maxie, are you saying this electric caber tosser is a plumber? That fits then. |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , John Rumm writes Dave Plowman (News) wrote: So you're actually admitting to *not* being CORGI registering while claiming to be a pro in the domestic heating field? Care to explain? You should know by now Dave, he does not actually *do* anything, just talks about it. Ah, but he does he's prolly already sinking in the pile of tissues on the floor Maxie, you are odd in many ways. You jump up and down too. |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:11:48 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote: No need. It's included by the manufacturer for either 5 or 10 years depending on model. Design life is 15 to 20 years.. John Lewis sell Miele dishwashes and they have only a 2 year guarantee. They say that Miele will carry spares for 20 years. sponix |
"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:11:48 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: No need. It's included by the manufacturer for either 5 or 10 years depending on model. Design life is 15 to 20 years.. John Lewis sell Miele dishwashes and they have only a 2 year guarantee. They say that Miele will carry spares for 20 years. John Lewis give 2 yr guarantees on all white goods. |
My husband is quite confident that he could do the job himself but
obviously it has to have a certificate from a CORGI registerd plumber. Another alternative is to submit a building notice to the council. Ensure that he is competent and knows his manometer from his leak detector fluid. You can't rely on the council to pick up any disasters. Christian. |
Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know
that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. If you didn't buy directly from Ideal, then it was you that didn't know the law either, although it appears to have been a successful blag! Manufacturers can put pretty well any non discriminatory restrictions on their guarantees that they like (including registered fitting requirements), as they have no requirement to offer a guarantee at all. It is the vendor that your statutory rights apply to. Of course, if you bought it direct, then they are the vendor too, and statutory rights DO apply. Christian. |
"Christian McArdle" wrote in message t... Ideal tried that one on me. I informed them of the law. They didn't know that non corgi people can fit a boiler until I told these people and they looked it up. They fixed the boiler. If you didn't buy directly from Ideal, then it was you that didn't know the law either, although it appears to have been a successful blag! The boiler was faulty out of the box. They came and asked if I was corgi, I told the law, they ummed and arred and phoned back and then fixed. What amazed me was that these corgi men actually thought only corgi can touch gas installations. Manufacturers can put pretty well any non discriminatory restrictions on their guarantees that they like (including registered fitting requirements), as they have no requirement to offer a guarantee at all. The law is the law. They can't insist on appliances being fitted by a club. If that is their way then they should sell only through that club. |
The law is the law. They can't insist on appliances being fitted by a
club. If that is their way then they should sell only through that club. If they didn't sell it direct to you, they have no obligation to offer any guarantee at all, so they can do what they like. If it is dead in the box, it is the retailer that is liable, not the manufacturer, unless the manufacturer voluntarily decides to offer a guarantee, which may be more restrictive than the statutory rights you have with the retailer and may include restrictions on who fits it. Of course, most manufacturers offer relatively unrestrictive guarantees, as otherwise the retailers would get very annoyed at having to deal with all the issues and may delist the products in question. Christian. |
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Doctor Evil wrote: The boiler was faulty out of the box. They came and asked if I was corgi, I told the law, they ummed and arred and phoned back and then fixed. What amazed me was that these corgi men actually thought only corgi can touch gas installations. They probably thought it wiser not to argue with a madman? -- *A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Doctor Evil wrote: The boiler was faulty out of the box. They came and asked if I was corgi, I told the law, they ummed and arred and phoned back and then fixed. What amazed me was that these corgi men actually thought only corgi can touch gas installations. They probably thought it wiser not to argue with a madman? Do you take in lodgers? |
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Doctor Evil wrote: The boiler was faulty out of the box. They came and asked if I was corgi, I told the law, they ummed and arred and phoned back and then fixed. What amazed me was that these corgi men actually thought only corgi can touch gas installations. They probably thought it wiser not to argue with a madman? Do you take in lodgers? Yes, pet. And I'll wait 'till you're in the shower and make sure the knife is beautifully back lit through the shower curtain. And you can be certain I've got a powerful sound system in the bathroom for the violins. To match the powerful gravity fed shower. So the blood will wash away in seconds. So you couldn't get treatment at this short notice? -- *24 hours in a day ... 24 beers in a case ... coincidence? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:57:03 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote: The law is the law. They can't insist on appliances being fitted by a club. If that is their way then they should sell only through that club. If they didn't sell it direct to you, they have no obligation to offer any guarantee at all, so they can do what they like. If it is dead in the box, it is the retailer that is liable, not the manufacturer, unless the manufacturer voluntarily decides to offer a guarantee, which may be more restrictive than the statutory rights you have with the retailer and may include restrictions on who fits it. Of course, most manufacturers offer relatively unrestrictive guarantees, as otherwise the retailers would get very annoyed at having to deal with all the issues and may delist the products in question. Christian. I think that that depends, Christian. If the product was sold through a "trade" source (e.g. a heating merchant) not as a consumer sale, then they may well have a clause in their Ts and Cs that it is explicitly not a consumer transaction. Then, AIUI, the consumer legislation does not apply. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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Andy Hall wrote: I expect that John Lewis are out of touch with reality again. Recently bought a TV from them. They were cheaper than any of the box shifters when you took into account the free 5 year warranty and free delivery. -- *Eschew obfuscation * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:57:03 +0100, "Christian McArdle" wrote: The law is the law. They can't insist on appliances being fitted by a club. If that is their way then they should sell only through that club. If they didn't sell it direct to you, they have no obligation to offer any guarantee at all, so they can do what they like. If it is dead in the box, it is the retailer that is liable, not the manufacturer, unless the manufacturer voluntarily decides to offer a guarantee, which may be more restrictive than the statutory rights you have with the retailer and may include restrictions on who fits it. Of course, most manufacturers offer relatively unrestrictive guarantees, as otherwise the retailers would get very annoyed at having to deal with all the issues and may delist the products in question. Christian. I think that that depends, Christian. If the product was sold through a "trade" source (e.g. a heating merchant) not as a consumer sale, then they may well have a clause in their Ts and Cs that it is explicitly not a consumer transaction. Then, AIUI, the consumer legislation does not apply. That is nonsense. If they sell to the general public then it is not trade. If they want trade only they only sell to the trade and vet the customers to sell to. |
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