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On Sat, 21 May 2005 10:13:06 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: I once reversed into a very low bollard and dented the rear bumper on our car. It had no effect whatsoever on any of the functions of the car - to go, stop and carry things. It didn't even have an effect on the subsequent MOT test. What upset me was that when I went indoors and dramatically told Spouse that I'd crashed into something his response was to ask how much damage there was to the car, he didn't ask if I was injured. He very quickly realised that he'd got his priorities wrong. Did you stop to wonder *why* his priorities were that way around - such that (as you imply), you had to force him to adopt different priorities than those which occur naturally to him? Too much love for his car, or not enough love for you? andyt |
In article , Richard Colton
wrote: or what they want for their tea. What they WANT? How about them eating what they are provided with? -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk |
On Sat, 21 May 2005 10:05:37 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Steve Walker" wrote in message ... In message om, Dave Liquorice writes On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:16:42 +0100, Steve Walker wrote: Yes, if they also enforced a "no accompanied breeders" area where one could park without someone else's little darlings denting the car doors. FFS it's only a car. Yes, quite, and damaged bodywork only costs money when you come to sell it, which is obviously totally unimportant. You won't mind if I rifle through your wallet then? sigh A car is for going, stopping and carrying. That's all. That's what it is *to you* - don't expect everyone else to have the same attitude to cars as you. You can keep it until it dies then get another. You don't HAVE to sell it. Why shouldn't they? People enjoy newer cars, people enjoy having the newer advances in technology. Why wait until the car dies (which could be 10 years+), before buying a different car? Someone once claimed that I'd scraped his bumper (!) in a car park and that it would reduce the re-sale value. Which, depending on the damage and the condition of the rest of the car, it would. I said that if he was as hard up as that I'd pay him for the repair and gave him a cheque there and then. I hope he took you up on the offer. It's not a case of how hard up a person is, it's about you damaging their property which costs them to have it fixed. I have no respect for that attitude. Or other people's property it would seem. No doubt there will be something that you covet, perhaps your house or contents within that you would be upset if someone needlessly damaged due to carelessness. If someone accidentally stubbed a cigarette on out on the arm of your sofa - hey it's only a sofa eh - just get a new one... andyt |
On Sat, 21 May 2005 10:18:10 +0100, Conor
wrote: In article , Steve Walker says... In message , Conor writes In article om, Dave Liquorice says... On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:16:42 +0100, Steve Walker wrote: Yes, if they also enforced a "no accompanied breeders" area where one could park without someone else's little darlings denting the car doors. FFS it's only a car. And if it dents that easily then it ain't a good one anyway. Clearly good cars don't exist then. Show me one you can't damage by opening a door into it forcefully enough. There's a world of difference between grabbing a door with both hands and slamming it against the next car with as much force as possible and the contact force it'd get when the door was opened by a child. If the edge of a door hits the centre of a panel of another door it's very much a weak spot in a door - it's easily dented. andyt |
On 21 May 2005 09:43:18 GMT, Adrian wrote:
Conor ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : If not their child, what relationship *are* you to your parents? Son, daughter? and non-gender-specifically...? If the supermarkets don't say what they mean on the signs, how are we to know what they mean? A "child" is a person under 18. That's one definition of the word, but not the only one. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=child You might like to check up on definition 4. Perhaps the supermarkets should clarify? It means child as in a youngster. Y'see it clearly doesn't have to be your own child. A person might have their niece, nephew or grandchild with them. andyt |
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In article , The Natural
Philosopher says... So are kids, so if I dent a kids head with my car door it doesn't matter right? Welcome to the problem with society. Is there actually a brain in your head capable of thinking for itself? -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
In article , Mary
Fisher says... "Conor" wrote in message t... In article , Mary Fisher says... How about if I shred a Rembrant, or take a chisel to the odd statue or two? It's been done. And TBH, the only people who gave a **** were the art luvvies anyway. You know that for a fact or is it your opinion? Did you see crowds of people wailing and gnashing their teeth? No. At best it'd get a 5 minute slot on the news and be forgotten about by most people before the following breakfast time. -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
In article , Mary
Fisher says... But his priorities were right. I'm grateful that it was something that I took onboard too. -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
"AstraVanMan" wrote in message
... I meant that the milkman, UPS man, Fireman Sam, Miss Spinster's dry-cleaning and Dr Pox will drive up to the barrier and not be able to get in, simply because it's there and closed. Now the milkman could have his own code to get in, like the residents. Probably the firemen could as well, or their own special over-ride key (I'm sure there are arrangements for this). But that's no good for the other, occasional yet legitimate visitors. So we would have to wire up an entryphone system at huge expense so Miss Spinster could let the dry-cleaning van in remotely. But Miss Spinster doesn't have a car herself, so how much should she contribute to the installation and maintenance of this whole automatic gate thing? She isn'y even remotely inconvenienced by non-residents parking in the car park, but she is now inconvenienced because she has to be in every time her dry-cleaning is delivered. I think my idea of a barrier that opens when any vehicle approaches it is a good idea. It would be combined with a CCTV system, and activate the CCTV system to record the movements of each and every vehicle that enters the premises, for the sole purpose of ascertaining whether or not they are actually entering the block of flats or using it to park all day whilst at work. I can't imagine this costing much more than £3-4k tops, but that's a vague guess! -- Peter =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+=+= your own email address at what..a.load...of......********....dot....co.....d ot.......uk (or ....dot......net) for just 10 quid a year..... get circumcised to email me for more info Sorry Peter I meant to reply to that! To be honest, the barrier would be pointless; we might as well just have the cameras and vcrs. There are vcrs which can record just a few frames an hour until triggered into real-time record mode by, for example a sensor, or a camera-frame-based movement detector, etc. However, most of the people who live here are too busy to want to come home and start checking through videotapes. It just wouldn't work, at least not beyond a couple of weeks. And all you've got at the end of it is an historical image of a car that maybe shouldn't have been there. It isn't there now, of course, and it might never come back. |
In article , Stuffed says...
Oh, I'm not advocating harming a human for damaging my things by any stretch! I'd just like people to show the same respect for my items as I do for theirs, and if they cause damage, willful or not, I would like them to at least make a gesture towards helping with repairs. Ah. Looks like we're in 100% agreement then. -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
In article , Hamish
Walker says... So we would have to wire up an entryphone system at huge expense so Miss Spinster could let the dry-cleaning van in remotely. But Miss Spinster doesn't have a car herself, so how much should she contribute to the installation and maintenance of this whole automatic gate thing? She isn'y even remotely inconvenienced by non-residents parking in the car park, but she is now inconvenienced because she has to be in every time her dry-cleaning is delivered. Or go down the very anti-community spirited "Gated Community" path. -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
In article , Andy Luckman
(AJL Electronics) says... In article om, Dave Liquorice wrote: FFS it's only a car. Which costs many thousands of pounds. And? -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
In article , Andy Turner
says... If the edge of a door hits the centre of a panel of another door it's very much a weak spot in a door - it's easily dented. Guess you've never had a decent car then? Decent as in "build quality". -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
"Owain" wrote in message ... I wonder if the poster That would be me :-) Thanks! will still demand a Dotty Pensioner-free Day when the poster is a Dotty Pensioner. Probably. I didn't like other children when I was a child, I still don't :-( I didn't like our own children much, I don't like our grandchildren much, I'm not too keen on many people. But we have to live with them so we might as well make the best of things. Everyone has SOMETHING good to give to society. I tell myself. so why should I like other Dotty Pensioners if I ever become one myself - which I have no intention of doing. Nor have I - but it's a matter of others' perception, apparently :-) Mary Owain |
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On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:29:48 +0100, "Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)"
wrote: In article , Mary Fisher wrote: The special parking bays aren't necessarily closer to the shop than others Thay are the same distance at mamy of our supermarkets. Grossly unfair on the genuinely needy. It's interesting how a few yards closer to the front door seems to make loads of difference, compared to the distance covered walking around the average supermarket! The local newspaper has been full of complaints that Boots the Chemist has decided to close their "baby changing room". What could you change them for? An iPod would be good. andyt |
To be honest, the barrier would be pointless; we might as well just have
the cameras and vcrs. There are vcrs which can record just a few frames an hour until triggered into real-time record mode by, for example a sensor, or a camera-frame-based movement detector, etc. Ah, fair enough, that'll do then However, most of the people who live here are too busy to want to come home and start checking through videotapes. It just wouldn't work, at least not beyond a couple of weeks. And all you've got at the end of it is an historical image of a car that maybe shouldn't have been there. It isn't there now, of course, and it might never come back. Maybe so, but if you were to put strict (and highly visible) warning signs up on entering the property that it was monitored by CCTV and anyone using the car park other than for access to the flats would be liable to prosecution, then that could have an effect. Possibly. I freely admit to knowing bugger all about the legal side of things there, but surely if parking enforcement companies can get away with putting tiny little signs on lamp-posts (near Reading Station is a well publicised case) and then issuing tickets by post to people that have even done so much as stop to actually read the notice (far too small to clearly read from inside the car), and the congestion charging people can do the same thing, then surely it's possible. I suppose the other option would be to employ a private clamping company (properly registered/accredited), and make sure each resident is given plenty of spare car park passes for their visitors to display. By plenty I mean around 10 - whilst this sounds extreme it would account for virtually all possibilities, such as someone having a party and having several friends staying over. Basically, enough to mean that genuine visitors would not be inconvenienced (by the clamping company kicking up a fuss that they clamped them as they weren't displaying a permit, which is what they're paid to do), but unwanted visitors are deterred from parking there. Bingo, problem solved. -- Peter =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+=+= your own email address at what..a.load...of......********....dot....co.....d ot.......uk (or ....dot......net) for just 10 quid a year..... get circumcised to email me for more info |
"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message . .. In article , Richard Colton wrote: or what they want for their tea. What they WANT? How about them eating what they are provided with? Now there's a wonderful idea (not). How would you like it if that happened with you at every single meal? -- Unlock Your Phone's Potential www.uselessinfo.org.uk www.thephonelocker.co.uk www.gsm-solutions.co.uk |
On Sat, 21 May 2005 14:13:13 +0100, Conor
wrote: In article , Andy Turner says... If the edge of a door hits the centre of a panel of another door it's very much a weak spot in a door - it's easily dented. Guess you've never had a decent car then? Decent as in "build quality". Name me a car make or even model where you wouldn't expect that to happen. One of these "decent" cars you allude to. andyt |
The local newspaper has been full of complaints that Boots the Chemist
has decided to close their "baby changing room". What could you change them for? An iPod would be good. Vicky Pollard swapped hers for a Westlife CD. -- Peter =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+=+= your own email address at what..a.load...of......********....dot....co.....d ot.......uk (or ....dot......net) for just 10 quid a year..... get circumcised to email me for more info |
"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message . .. In article , Richard Colton wrote: or what they want for their tea. What they WANT? How about them eating what they are provided with? From my observation most of them won't. They've always been given the power over their very well meaning parents of saying "No", when asked, "Do you want ... ? " instead of "Here you are". It's a bee in my bonnet too. These kids have never been hungry. Our children never said they didn't like something (which many of today's children do before they've even tried it - and I include our grandchildren). They were hungry because they were active; they weren't given between meal snacks and sweets (which were treats, not routine) and they weren't exposed to television and magazine advertising. But the meals they were served were very good. During the War the food we got was sparse, boring and much of it never seen now and yet we ate it - because we were hungry. We have a daughter in law who is an excellent cook and makes super meals. She makes separate meals for her chidren though, almost always the same processed dishes, thus increasing her own work. Will those children ever develop palates which appreciate just how good a cook she is? Mary -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk |
On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:51:12 +0100, "Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)"
wrote: In article , Vauxhall Victot wrote: Try using Golden Syrup or molasses Try this: http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post Still practising intolerance I see Andy. After all these years as well... andyt |
On Sat, 21 May 2005 10:33:13 +0100, Conor wrote:
FFS it's only a car. If you lost the gem out of your beloved dearly departed great grandmother's wedding ring, would you say it's only a ring? How about that clock your father left you on his deathbed, does it matter if I crack the glass on the face? THey're things. They're only things. It doesn't matter. Quite, there are far more important things in life than things. Life for instance. I guess these people have been sheltered all their pathetic little lives and have never been in true fear of their own or come come close to being killed. Both of those I have experienced. Property is not important, it's nice have, can make life more comfortable or convient but you don't *need* it. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
"AstraVanMan" wrote in message ... It's someone else's property. If it gets damaged by someone other than the owner, then it's up to that person to put it back to how it was. Does that apply to the damage your exhaust emissions do to the atmosphere and other people's health? Yes, it does. The vast amounts of money raised in taxes on motorists (mainly from fuel duty) partly go towards paying for the NHS. The damage is still done, you're (i.e. we're) obviously not paying enough. Raise fuel duty! Mary -- Peter =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+=+= your own email address at what..a.load...of......********....dot....co.....d ot.......uk (or ....dot......net) for just 10 quid a year..... get circumcised to email me for more info |
On Sat, 21 May 2005 13:22:31 GMT, "Richard Colton"
wrote: "Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message ... In article , Richard Colton wrote: or what they want for their tea. What they WANT? How about them eating what they are provided with? Now there's a wonderful idea (not). How would you like it if that happened with you at every single meal? It doesn't have to be every single meal, but face it - if kids got to choose what they ate for each meal, they'd all be on chips, burgers, pizza etc.. and obese and/or hyper by the time they hit 10yrs. andyt |
"Conor" wrote in message
t... In article , Hamish Walker says... So we would have to wire up an entryphone system at huge expense so Miss Spinster could let the dry-cleaning van in remotely. But Miss Spinster doesn't have a car herself, so how much should she contribute to the installation and maintenance of this whole automatic gate thing? She isn'y even remotely inconvenienced by non-residents parking in the car park, but she is now inconvenienced because she has to be in every time her dry-cleaning is delivered. Or go down the very anti-community spirited "Gated Community" path. Our little community of 15 flats and houses was built around 1965; then having an open access from the main road wasn't considered a problem, mainly because 40 years ago people respected others and their property. And of course, there were fewer cars on the road, and on-street parking was (generally) free. If the 'gated community' is built as such from the word go, and people choose to buy there, then everyone understands the arrangement. (Whether or not you as an outsider to that agree or not isn't relevant to the residents there.) It's when you try and retro-fit that approach that the problems start. Do all 15 households want a 'gated community'? Of those that do, how much are they prepared to pay for it? And underlying all of that is the knawing feeling "it's not fair - why should I have to pay extra and inconvenience _myself_ to physically protect my privacy?" In our case, it isn't just trying to stop the freeloaders parking here. We've had burglaries in the flats, and break-ins in the garages, and although a vehicle barrier won't necessarily stop those, it will make it more difficult for some thieves, and deter others. |
Does that apply to the damage your exhaust emissions do to the
atmosphere and other people's health? Yes, it does. The vast amounts of money raised in taxes on motorists (mainly from fuel duty) partly go towards paying for the NHS. The damage is still done, you're (i.e. we're) obviously not paying enough. Raise fuel duty! *plonk* -- Peter =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+=+= your own email address at what..a.load...of......********....dot....co.....d ot.......uk (or ....dot......net) for just 10 quid a year..... get circumcised to email me for more info |
In article , Hamish
Walker says... To be honest, the barrier would be pointless; we might as well just have the cameras and vcrs. There are vcrs which can record just a few frames an hour until triggered into real-time record mode by, for example a sensor, or a camera-frame-based movement detector, etc. http://property.scotsman.com/news.cfm?id=392132005 You could even do like they're starting to do in the US and exclude anyone under 55. -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
In article , joe parkin
says... In article , says... Andrew I go to our local Sainsburys most days of the week because it is only a 1 mile drive there and back and to all intents and purposes it is our corner shop Why do you not walk? Its only a mile. POLLUTER. He's disabled, spose he could crawl? I'm disabled. I still manage to drive a 44 tonne artic around a few days a week. -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
"Andy Turner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 May 2005 10:05:37 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Steve Walker" wrote in message ... In message om, Dave Liquorice writes On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:16:42 +0100, Steve Walker wrote: Yes, if they also enforced a "no accompanied breeders" area where one could park without someone else's little darlings denting the car doors. FFS it's only a car. Yes, quite, and damaged bodywork only costs money when you come to sell it, which is obviously totally unimportant. You won't mind if I rifle through your wallet then? sigh A car is for going, stopping and carrying. That's all. That's what it is *to you* - don't expect everyone else to have the same attitude to cars as you. You can keep it until it dies then get another. You don't HAVE to sell it. Why shouldn't they? People enjoy newer cars, people enjoy having the newer advances in technology. Why wait until the car dies (which could be 10 years+), before buying a different car? LOL! And making someone else have something not good enough for you? Someone once claimed that I'd scraped his bumper (!) in a car park and that it would reduce the re-sale value. Which, depending on the damage and the condition of the rest of the car, it would. I said that if he was as hard up as that I'd pay him for the repair and gave him a cheque there and then. I hope he took you up on the offer. I didn't wait for him to take up the offer. It's not a case of how hard up a person is, it's about you damaging their property which costs them to have it fixed. But I doubt that he had the 'damage' fixed. I have no respect for that attitude. Or other people's property it would seem. No doubt there will be something that you covet, perhaps your house or contents within that you would be upset if someone needlessly damaged due to carelessness. If someone accidentally stubbed a cigarette on out on the arm of your sofa - hey it's only a sofa eh - just get a new one... We don't have a sofa ... :-) But if it did, it wouldn't prevent the sofa from keeping your bum off the floor, which is its function. And if we did have cosmetic damage to anything which we were precious about we'd repair it ourselves. I can't think of the last time that happened. We're not replacing anything, we're trying to get rid of unecessary stuff. With age comes wisdom. Mary replying on uk.d-i-y Mary andyt |
On Sat, 21 May 2005 10:53:32 GMT, AstraVanMan wrote:
Either way, the point is if a person causes damage to someone else's property that didn't have that damage before, then they should pay for the repair. If the person then decides to pocket the cash and live with the dent/scratch/scrape, then that's entirely up to them. No, that is fraud, or extortion if they had threatened the payer in anyway. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
"Conor" wrote in message t... In article , Mary Fisher says... "Conor" wrote in message t... In article , Mary Fisher says... How about if I shred a Rembrant, or take a chisel to the odd statue or two? It's been done. And TBH, the only people who gave a **** were the art luvvies anyway. You know that for a fact or is it your opinion? Did you see crowds of people wailing and gnashing their teeth? I wasn't there. It wasn't me,guv! No. At best it'd get a 5 minute slot on the news and be forgotten about by most people before the following breakfast time. Yes, footie is far more impotant. Mary |
In article , Andy Turner
says... On Sat, 21 May 2005 14:13:13 +0100, Conor wrote: In article , Andy Turner says... If the edge of a door hits the centre of a panel of another door it's very much a weak spot in a door - it's easily dented. Guess you've never had a decent car then? Decent as in "build quality". Name me a car make or even model where you wouldn't expect that to happen. One of these "decent" cars you allude to. BMW E34 - took someone taking a running drop kick to put a dint in my wifes.. Rover SD1. Rover P6. Volvo...any model. Saab..any 900 series. Most cars with side impact bars. -- Conor "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne. |
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On Sat, 21 May 2005 10:06:45 GMT, AstraVanMan wrote:
Anyone part-exchanging a car for a guaranteed =A31000 is getting monumentally ripped off in the price of the car they're buying. I was buying new so yes that =A31000 would have fallen off the value the= moment I put the key in the lock and opened the door. But that applies to all new cars, some drop *a lot* more a grand at that point. The price of what I was buying was reasonable, I could probably have haggled another few hundred quid off it but I very much doubt a =A31000.= -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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"AstraVanMan" wrote in message ... Does that apply to the damage your exhaust emissions do to the atmosphere and other people's health? Yes, it does. The vast amounts of money raised in taxes on motorists (mainly from fuel duty) partly go towards paying for the NHS. The damage is still done, you're (i.e. we're) obviously not paying enough. Raise fuel duty! *plonk* You're not really entering into the spirit of this, are you? ;) Mary's either on a different spiritual plane, incredibly narrow minded, or deliberately trying to get a reaction (that's my option, going by her tale of trying to get a reaction from her husband when she quite clearly appeared fit and healthy after a little bump parking), but whatever the case, it's been quite fun :) Although I'll be bowing out soon, before it gets too stale and pointless. |
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Does that apply to the damage your exhaust emissions do to the
atmosphere and other people's health? Yes, it does. The vast amounts of money raised in taxes on motorists (mainly from fuel duty) partly go towards paying for the NHS. The damage is still done, you're (i.e. we're) obviously not paying enough. Raise fuel duty! *plonk* You're not really entering into the spirit of this, are you? ;) Evidently not! I could have responded with a reasoned argument, but to be quite honest I'm bored with this thread now, and have got better things to do. Well, I'm bored with this thread anyway. Mary's either on a different spiritual plane, incredibly narrow minded, or deliberately trying to get a reaction (that's my option, going by her tale of trying to get a reaction from her husband when she quite clearly appeared fit and healthy after a little bump parking), but whatever the case, it's been quite fun :) Although I'll be bowing out soon, before it gets too stale and pointless. Hehe, me too. -- Peter =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+=+= your own email address at what..a.load...of......********....dot....co.....d ot.......uk (or ....dot......net) for just 10 quid a year..... get circumcised to email me for more info |
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