Well, not literally but once again I find myself in possession of a gas
barbecue who's heat output is less than I'd really like. Even with plenty
of preheating things "fizzle" rather than "sizzle" on it. (A B&Q "Barcelona"
barbecue)

I *do* have a spare adjustable HP regulator kicking around but it's fiddly
to get adjusted right and it needs a different cylinder so it's not terribly
useful. Hacking into the existing regulator to up the pressure doesn't
appeal greatly (although I have done it before for a different crap
barbecue) and I'm wondering whether it would be possible to fit larger (or
enlarge the existing) jets?

Before anyone says it, I *know* that this is no doubt illegal, dangerous
etc. but a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is
injurious to my mental well-being. I may blow myself to kingdom come or the
barbecue may self immolate but I don't care.

I went along to our local Calor main agent to see if I could get replacement
jets but they don't keep any spares and I suspect trying to order up spares
for a Chinese barbecue from B&Q is a bit of a non-starter.

Any suggestions (apart from "don't" which I'm incapable of hearing/reading)?
Are gas jets fairly standard sizes and threads and would I be able to get
something that fits from somewhere else?

Tim

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
Well, not literally but once again I find myself in possession of a gas
barbecue who's heat output is less than I'd really like. Even with plenty
of preheating things "fizzle" rather than "sizzle" on it. (A B&Q
"Barcelona" barbecue)

I *do* have a spare adjustable HP regulator kicking around but it's fiddly
to get adjusted right and it needs a different cylinder so it's not
terribly useful. Hacking into the existing regulator to up the pressure
doesn't appeal greatly (although I have done it before for a different
crap barbecue) and I'm wondering whether it would be possible to fit
larger (or enlarge the existing) jets?

Before anyone says it, I *know* that this is no doubt illegal, dangerous
etc. but a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is
injurious to my mental well-being. I may blow myself to kingdom come or
the barbecue may self immolate but I don't care.

I went along to our local Calor main agent to see if I could get
replacement jets but they don't keep any spares and I suspect trying to
order up spares for a Chinese barbecue from B&Q is a bit of a non-starter.

Any suggestions (apart from "don't" which I'm incapable of
hearing/reading)? Are gas jets fairly standard sizes and threads and would
I be able to get something that fits from somewhere else?

Tim


my mate used to drill jets oversize for gas cookers in Chinese restaurants,
problem is if you go too big, you then need a blower for the air supply.
you can reduce a big jet by brazing it up and redrilling it.

Have a play.

mrcheerful

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
Well, not literally but once again I find myself in possession of a gas
barbecue who's heat output is less than I'd really like. Even with plenty
of preheating things "fizzle" rather than "sizzle" on it. (A B&Q
"Barcelona"
barbecue)

I *do* have a spare adjustable HP regulator kicking around but it's fiddly
to get adjusted right and it needs a different cylinder so it's not
terribly
useful. Hacking into the existing regulator to up the pressure doesn't
appeal greatly (although I have done it before for a different crap
barbecue) and I'm wondering whether it would be possible to fit larger (or
enlarge the existing) jets?

Before anyone says it, I *know* that this is no doubt illegal, dangerous
etc. but a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is
injurious to my mental well-being. I may blow myself to kingdom come or
the
barbecue may self immolate but I don't care.

I went along to our local Calor main agent to see if I could get
replacement
jets but they don't keep any spares and I suspect trying to order up
spares
for a Chinese barbecue from B&Q is a bit of a non-starter.

Any suggestions (apart from "don't" which I'm incapable of
hearing/reading)?
Are gas jets fairly standard sizes and threads and would I be able to get
something that fits from somewhere else?

Tim



Butane or propane? I only ask because I find BBQing on butane a real PITA

Tim Downie wrote:
Well, not literally but once again I find myself in possession of a gas
barbecue who's heat output is less than I'd really like. Even with plenty
of preheating things "fizzle" rather than "sizzle" on it. (A B&Q "Barcelona"
barbecue)

I *do* have a spare adjustable HP regulator kicking around but it's fiddly
to get adjusted right and it needs a different cylinder so it's not terribly
useful. Hacking into the existing regulator to up the pressure doesn't
appeal greatly (although I have done it before for a different crap
barbecue) and I'm wondering whether it would be possible to fit larger (or
enlarge the existing) jets?

Before anyone says it, I *know* that this is no doubt illegal, dangerous
etc. but a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is
injurious to my mental well-being. I may blow myself to kingdom come or the
barbecue may self immolate but I don't care.

I went along to our local Calor main agent to see if I could get replacement
jets but they don't keep any spares and I suspect trying to order up spares
for a Chinese barbecue from B&Q is a bit of a non-starter.

Any suggestions (apart from "don't" which I'm incapable of hearing/reading)?
Are gas jets fairly standard sizes and threads and would I be able to get
something that fits from somewhere else?

Tim

rejet it and add a bit of acetylene to the mix ? perhaps have it gas flowed ?
how about a touch of NOS ? you could buy a new barbie, maybe test it first ?



RT

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious to
my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary

"TonyK" wrote in message
...

Butane or propane? I only ask because I find BBQing on butane a real PITA

Hmm, interesting point. I'm currently running it on Butane. Would the heat
output be higher on propane or does it only make any difference when you
been using it for a while and the gas cylinder has got cold?

Tim

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious to
my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary


Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at night.
4 Think about things other than the shopping list.

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
news:426e9b97$0$28623
You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary

Perhaps a new hoover for you then my dear ... yours must be sub-standard??



;o)



a

"Fred" wrote in message
...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious
to
my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary


Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at night.
4 Think about things other than the shopping list.

LOL! Perhaps you should learn that there are more things in anyone's life
than copulation and shopping.

I hate shopping.

Mary

"al" wrote in message
...
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
news:426e9b97$0$28623
You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary

Perhaps a new hoover for you then my dear ... yours must be sub-standard??

I don't need one. He uses an Oreck.

Mary



;o)



a

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...

"TonyK" wrote in message
...

Butane or propane? I only ask because I find BBQing on butane a real
PITA

Hmm, interesting point. I'm currently running it on Butane. Would the
heat
output be higher on propane or does it only make any difference when you
been using it for a while and the gas cylinder has got cold?

Tim


propane has a higher heat output

Tim Downie wrote:
Well, not literally but once again I find myself in possession of a gas
barbecue who's heat output is less than I'd really like. Even with plenty
of preheating things "fizzle" rather than "sizzle" on it. (A B&Q "Barcelona"
barbecue)

Forget gas barbecue, get yourself a boiling ring intended for tar
boilers, and a big wok or griddle.

Owain

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...
Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at
night.
4 Think about things other than the shopping list.

LOL! Perhaps you should learn that there are more things in anyone's life
than copulation and shopping.


Anybody see that programme on Ghengis Khan last night ? (Yes we know you
didn't Mary)
Conquered half the known world and still found time to fertilise a
significant percentage of the females in Asia.

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Fred" wrote in message
...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious
to
my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which
don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary


Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at
night.
4 Think about things other than the shopping list.

LOL! Perhaps you should learn that there are more things in anyone's life
than copulation and shopping.

I hate shopping.

Mary

Perhaps women should realise that copulation is far higher on the men's list
than they imagine it to be! I suppose wine and song aren't far behind
though.

Mind, I spend too much time fixing the hoover and washing machine, when will
they learn to fix them themselves? :-)

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
Well, not literally but once again I find myself in possession of a gas
barbecue who's heat output is less than I'd really like. Even with plenty
of preheating things "fizzle" rather than "sizzle" on it. (A B&Q
"Barcelona"
barbecue)


Are you on a blue or red cylinder? Red propane will give you a much hotter
flame, and if you harness this with an ajustable reg you'll really be able
to get the thing cooking!

Tim.

Paul wrote:
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...

"TonyK" wrote in message
...

Butane or propane? I only ask because I find BBQing on butane a
real PITA

Hmm, interesting point. I'm currently running it on Butane. Would
the heat output be higher on propane or does it only make any
difference when you been using it for a while and the gas cylinder
has got cold?

Tim


propane has a higher heat output

I thought propane was actually less calorific than butane? I'm not disputing
that with the extra pressure it may run hotter though.

Tim

Mary Fisher wrote:

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious to
my mental well-being.


You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.


that's because their expectations are based on marketing, silly comics,
and infantile romance.

Mary

Fred wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious to
my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary



Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at night.
4 Think about things other than the shopping list.


6. realize that while men don't need the foreplay as much, it actually
improves their performance.

No one has made teh simple comment.

What on earth is the point of a gas barbecue anyway?

Its just a gas stove that doesn't work as well as teh one indoors.
Get an oild drum and some charcoal, and use the bits from te gas
barbecue to make the griddle.

And get some proper flavour in the meat.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Fred wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious
to
my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which
don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary



Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at
night.
4 Think about things other than the shopping list.


6. realize that while men don't need the foreplay as much, it actually
improves their performance.

You'd have thought women would have learnt to administer that themselves by
now. Mind it does give them something to moan about men. Where's 5?

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...

"TonyK" wrote in message
...

Butane or propane? I only ask because I find BBQing on butane a
real PITA

Hmm, interesting point. I'm currently running it on Butane. Would
the heat output be higher on propane or does it only make any
difference when you been using it for a while and the gas cylinder
has got cold?

Tim


propane has a higher heat output

I thought propane was actually less calorific than butane? I'm not
disputing
that with the extra pressure it may run hotter though.

Tim

"Tim Downie" wrote in message


propane has a higher heat output

I thought propane was actually less calorific than butane? I'm not
disputing that with the extra pressure it may run hotter though.

I find that I need to be far more careful when cooking on propane (on
caravan/camping hobs) than when using butane. It's much easier to burn food
and needs more control.

Mary

Tim

"Fred" wrote in message
...


Perhaps women should realise that copulation is far higher on the men's
list
than they imagine it to be! I suppose wine and song aren't far behind
though.

That's not my experience - but I can do without the song.

Mind, I spend too much time fixing the hoover and washing machine, when
will
they learn to fix them themselves? :-)

If you spend too much time doing it you're not doing it properly the first
time, are you! I used to fix the hoover then Spouse bought an Oreck for
himself and I dumped the hoover. It's years since the washer broke down,
when it does he'll want to repair it. He sees it as a slur on his manhood if
I offer to do that sort of thing.

Mary

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Fred wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious to
my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary



Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at night.
4 Think about things other than the shopping list.


6. realize that while men don't need the foreplay as much, it actually
improves their performance.

You all seem to have had disappointing experiences :-(

Mary

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious to
my mental well-being.


You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which don't
perform to their expectations all the time.


that's because their expectations are based on marketing, silly comics,
and infantile romance.

You surely aren't including me among them are you?

Oh, sorry, you were talking about men!

Mary

"Owain" wrote in message
t...
Tim Downie wrote:
Well, not literally but once again I find myself in possession of a gas
barbecue who's heat output is less than I'd really like. Even with
plenty of preheating things "fizzle" rather than "sizzle" on it. (A B&Q
"Barcelona" barbecue)

Forget gas barbecue, get yourself a boiling ring intended for tar boilers,
and a big wok or griddle.

But you can't bake on that!

Mary

Owain

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
No one has made teh simple comment.

What on earth is the point of a gas barbecue anyway?

Its just a gas stove that doesn't work as well as teh one indoors.
Get an oild drum and some charcoal, and use the bits from te gas barbecue
to make the griddle.

And get some proper flavour in the meat.

The flavour should be the meat to begin with. You only need to add flavour
if your meat is sub standard.

Mary

"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...

"TonyK" wrote in message
...

Butane or propane? I only ask because I find BBQing on butane a
real PITA

Hmm, interesting point. I'm currently running it on Butane. Would
the heat output be higher on propane or does it only make any
difference when you been using it for a while and the gas cylinder
has got cold?

Tim


propane has a higher heat output

I thought propane was actually less calorific than butane? I'm not
disputing
that with the extra pressure it may run hotter though.

Tim



I think per cubic foot of the two gases butane has more BTU's but the
propane is more volitile.
Butane has a boiling point at around 0c while propane is much lower at
around -5c

"Fred" wrote in message
...

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Fred wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"Tim Downie" wrote in message

a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious
to
my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which
don't
perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary



Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at
night.
4 Think about things other than the shopping list.


6. realize that while men don't need the foreplay as much, it actually
improves their performance.

You'd have thought women would have learnt to administer that themselves
by
now. Mind it does give them something to moan about men. Where's 5?

Well done for spotting that! Many men don't seem able to count ...

Mary

Fred wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Fred wrote:


"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
et.net...


"Tim Downie" wrote in message


a gas barbecue that *doesn't* perform to my expectations is injurious

to

my mental well-being.

You need to get out more :-) Women have to put up with things which

don't

perform to their expectations all the time.

Mary



Perhaps they should learn to

1 Say yes more often.
2 Ignore those headaches.
3 Get even more sleep during the day so they're not so tired at

night.

4 Think about things other than the shopping list.



6. realize that while men don't need the foreplay as much, it actually
improves their performance.


You'd have thought women would have learnt to administer that themselves by
now. Mind it does give them something to moan about men. Where's 5?


NOt suitable on a public newsgrope :-)

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
No one has made teh simple comment.

What on earth is the point of a gas barbecue anyway?

Convenience. I do prefer to cook on a good charcoal barbecue but it's not
much use for spur of the moment barbecues, particularly when one's cooking
relatively small quantities. Would you fire up a charcoal barbecue for a
light meal for one adult and two kids?

My gas barbecues get used a lot more than my old charcoal one ever did for
those simple reasons.

Its just a gas stove that doesn't work as well as teh one indoors.
Get an oild drum and some charcoal, and use the bits from te gas
barbecue to make the griddle.

And get some proper flavour in the meat.

If you have lavarocks or some other fat vapouriser above the burner, I'm not
sure if it really makes that much difference.

Tim

Paul ( Skiing8 ) wrote:
"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...

I thought propane was actually less calorific than butane? I'm not
disputing that with the extra pressure it may run hotter though.

Tim



I think per cubic foot of the two gases butane has more BTU's but the
propane is more volitile.
Butane has a boiling point at around 0c while propane is much lower at
around -5c

A lot lower actually, -42C.

That still doesn't satisfactorily explain (to my mind anyway) why propane
should burn hotter. The burner is designed for both and there's no mention
in the manual concerning heat output on different fuels.

Tim

"Tim Downie" wrote:


Any suggestions (apart from "don't" which I'm incapable of hearing/reading)?

Don't pussyfoot around - light it this way ;-)

http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/

http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/grill.jpg

http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/grill.mpeg



--

"Cynical Git" wrote in message
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"Tim Downie" wrote:


Any suggestions (apart from "don't" which I'm incapable of
hearing/reading)?

Don't pussyfoot around - light it this way ;-)

http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/

http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/grill.jpg

http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/grill.mpeg


Ah, that's where it went - I lost it for a while after his original site was
shut down.

Ta.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

Cynical Git wrote:

Don't pussyfoot around - light it this way ;-)

http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/

"It was decided to "sacrifice" a cheap (on sale for $2.88 at OSCO's)
grill to the fire gods. It was loaded with charcoal, with one briquette
smoldering, and 5 gallons of LOX were dumped on, causing the grill to
melt down and then almost completely vaporize."

Some people would have asked for a refund. Not sure what they'd take
back though.


NT