Well, guys, thank you for all of the very good input about using pvc
pipe for air line distribution.

This will go into a un insulated, metal building in central Texas and
may I say that this summer was one of the hottest on record?. It was
miserable.

P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first. I am just not sure on
the cheapest covering for it. Iggy seems to thing that hose is cheap
but he is rich because of his dealing with auctions and reselling.
Typical Russian - coming over here and showing us how to make tons of
moolah. Congrats.


I had no idea that electrical p.v.c. was stronger than the plumbing
stuff. If it is sched. 80, I can see why.

Again - thanks

joe

On 2011-11-26, justme wrote:
Well, guys, thank you for all of the very good input about using pvc
pipe for air line distribution.

This will go into a un insulated, metal building in central Texas and
may I say that this summer was one of the hottest on record?. It was
miserable.

P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first. I am just not sure on
the cheapest covering for it. Iggy seems to thing that hose is cheap
but he is rich because of his dealing with auctions and reselling.
Typical Russian - coming over here and showing us how to make tons of
moolah. Congrats.


I had no idea that electrical p.v.c. was stronger than the plumbing
stuff. If it is sched. 80, I can see why.

Again - thanks

joe


I do not think that it will end up being cheaper than compressed air
hose, dollar to dollar.

i

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:07:53 -0600, Ignoramus32097
wrote:

On 2011-11-26, justme wrote:
Well, guys, thank you for all of the very good input about using pvc
pipe for air line distribution.

This will go into a un insulated, metal building in central Texas and
may I say that this summer was one of the hottest on record?. It was
miserable.

P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first. I am just not sure on
the cheapest covering for it. Iggy seems to thing that hose is cheap
but he is rich because of his dealing with auctions and reselling.
Typical Russian - coming over here and showing us how to make tons of
moolah. Congrats.


I had no idea that electrical p.v.c. was stronger than the plumbing
stuff. If it is sched. 80, I can see why.

Again - thanks

joe


I do not think that it will end up being cheaper than compressed air
hose, dollar to dollar.

i

Harbor Freight is a good place for cheap hose..some of it is actually
Goodyear hose too.

Just stay away from the bright blue hose. Its not worth a ****.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:13:25 -0600, justme wrote:



I had no idea that electrical p.v.c. was stronger than the plumbing
stuff. If it is sched. 80, I can see why.


I doubt PVC conduit is stronger than PVC pipe. Conduit does seem to be
made from a softer and less brittle formulation of PVC, but it's not
schedule 80. Schedule 80 PVC and CPVC pipe are usually gray, like
conduit, so perhaps that's the source of the confusion.

--
Ned Simmons

Ned Simmons wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:13:25 -0600, justme wrote:



I had no idea that electrical p.v.c. was stronger than the plumbing
stuff. If it is sched. 80, I can see why.


I doubt PVC conduit is stronger than PVC pipe. Conduit does seem to be
made from a softer and less brittle formulation of PVC, but it's not
schedule 80. Schedule 80 PVC and CPVC pipe are usually gray, like
conduit, so perhaps that's the source of the confusion.


I can buy Sch 40 or Sch 80 gray PVC conduit around here. Sch 80 is
required for underground runs here. We used it for underground CATV
trunk & feeder lines near Cincinnati, too.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:31:39 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Ned Simmons wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:13:25 -0600, justme wrote:



I had no idea that electrical p.v.c. was stronger than the plumbing
stuff. If it is sched. 80, I can see why.


I doubt PVC conduit is stronger than PVC pipe. Conduit does seem to be
made from a softer and less brittle formulation of PVC, but it's not
schedule 80. Schedule 80 PVC and CPVC pipe are usually gray, like
conduit, so perhaps that's the source of the confusion.


I can buy Sch 40 or Sch 80 gray PVC conduit around here. Sch 80 is
required for underground runs here. We used it for underground CATV
trunk & feeder lines near Cincinnati, too.

By golly, your're right. I guess I've never noticed sch 80 conduit.
But I still wouldn't use it for compressed air.

--
Ned Simmons

Ned Simmons wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

I can buy Sch 40 or Sch 80 gray PVC conduit around here. Sch 80 is
required for underground runs here. We used it for underground CATV
trunk & feeder lines near Cincinnati, too.

By golly, your're right. I guess I've never noticed sch 80 conduit.
But I still wouldn't use it for compressed air.


Me, either. I've seen where it ruptured from stress and it spewed
shrapnel further than you would think possible.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.
--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:07:56 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.


It's called "the darwin solution"

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:15:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:07:56 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.

It's called "the darwin solution"

Ackshully, I don't know of a single death attributed to PVC pipe used
as compressed air conduit. You guys are overstating the threat.

Then again, I'd hate to lose an ear to an open line right next to it,
or an eye to a tiny plastic splinter...NO MO PVC for me.

The body shop I wrenched in had 1.5" PVC lines at chest height and the
body men broke one about every 3-4 weeks when the frame clamps pulled
off or they drove a car out with a grinder in the trunk. Nobody ever
got hurt, but they -always- wore both ear & eye protection.

--
When a quiet man is moved to passion, it seems the very earth will shake.
-- Stephanie Barron
(Something for the Powers That Be to remember, eh?)

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:15:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:07:56 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.


It's called "the darwin solution"
aka cleaning the gene pool
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:07:56 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.

It's called "the darwin solution"


What did they use to disolve him?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.

If I had to guess, I would think the quality of his work is reflected by his
choice of tools. If he can't afford proper air lines, the rest of the stuff
in the shop is probably equally inferior.

Steve

On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:19:55 -0800, "Steve B" wrote:


"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.

If I had to guess, I would think the quality of his work is reflected by his
choice of tools. If he can't afford proper air lines, the rest of the stuff
in the shop is probably equally inferior.

Steve

Not necessarily true. Ive seen some ******** shops turn out beautiful
work..and some shops that were Better Homes and Gardens looking turn out
crap.

Shrug

Gunner


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Nov 28, 5:02*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:15:17 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:07:56 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

justme writes:

P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.

It's called "the darwin solution"

Ackshully, I don't know of a single death attributed to PVC pipe used
as compressed air conduit. *You guys are overstating the threat.

Then again, I'd hate to lose an ear to an open line right next to it,
or an eye to a tiny plastic splinter...NO MO PVC for me.

The body shop I wrenched in had 1.5" PVC lines at chest height and the
body men broke one about every 3-4 weeks when the frame clamps pulled
off or they drove a car out with a grinder in the trunk. Nobody ever
got hurt, but they -always- wore both ear & eye protection.

--
When a quiet man is moved to passion, it seems the very earth will shake.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Stephanie Barron
(Something for the Powers That Be to remember, eh?)

I keep seeing claims of PVC deaths, but no cites or links.

Plenty of personal ER trip accounts to get the shards removed, though.

Dave

On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:19:55 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.

If I had to guess, I would think the quality of his work is reflected by his
choice of tools. If he can't afford proper air lines, the rest of the stuff
in the shop is probably equally inferior.

Steve

Killing someone with a shattering PVC pipe air line is theoretically
possible, but yeah, the odds would be Real Real Long. Buying
Powerball tickets would be a better waste of your money odds-wise.

But injuries from the line shattering that could include losing an eye
to shrapnel damage and/or severe hearing damage - Hell Yes that's a
real and distinct possibility.

And "killing" an expensive device that was sitting on the shelf next
to the air line, or breaking your favorite coffee mug or other minor
mayhem is more likely - and that's going to get you thinking. "Gee,
that would have been bad if I was standing over there..."

All it takes is being in the wrong place at the wrong time - going to
disconnect the air hose from the drop right as someone trips over the
hose and shatters the drop in your face. Or right into your ear.

Or as another wag said, as a Cow-Orker drives the car out of the work
bay with a jitterbug sander still in the trunk - and it really does
happen. That pipe is coming off the wall.

That's with regular Schedule 40 PVC - if you use the paper-thin cheap
**** (Schedule 125) that's meant for lawn sprinkler lines after the
valve, you're just begging for a disaster. That stuff breaks if you
look at it cross-eyed.

I can see avoiding Copper pipe for your air line for the cost, but
Black Pipe isn't all that much more than Schedule 40 PVC pipe. There
is an extra-heavy Schedule 80 PVC pipe, but that will be more
expensive than Black Pipe - and the oil and solvents will still get to
it, just not as fast.

And if you lay it out right, you only need to go get a few lengths of
the Black Pipe custom cut and threaded, the rest can be full sticks or
standard length nipples off the shelf. Especially on a home shop
where you'll only need to rig a few drops.

It's not like building a 50,000 SF production machine shop with three
compressors feeding two air dryers and a "ring main" system with 100+
drops, and built so they can isolate a bad section while everything
else still works. Multiple service shutoff valves around the room,
and valves at each branch line and tap point.

-- Bruce --

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:08:06 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human
readable)" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:19:55 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:


"David Lesher" wrote in message
...
justme writes:


P.V.C. pipe is cheap so I will try it first.

Will your widow let your stuph go cheap?
If so, can I get first dibs?

I can not see why you'd risk your life and those of people
around you; the right solution costs little more.

If I had to guess, I would think the quality of his work is reflected by his
choice of tools. If he can't afford proper air lines, the rest of the stuff
in the shop is probably equally inferior.

Steve

Killing someone with a shattering PVC pipe air line is theoretically
possible, but yeah, the odds would be Real Real Long. Buying
Powerball tickets would be a better waste of your money odds-wise.

But injuries from the line shattering that could include losing an eye
to shrapnel damage and/or severe hearing damage - Hell Yes that's a
real and distinct possibility.

And "killing" an expensive device that was sitting on the shelf next
to the air line, or breaking your favorite coffee mug or other minor
mayhem is more likely - and that's going to get you thinking. "Gee,
that would have been bad if I was standing over there..."

All it takes is being in the wrong place at the wrong time - going to
disconnect the air hose from the drop right as someone trips over the
hose and shatters the drop in your face. Or right into your ear.

Or as another wag said, as a Cow-Orker drives the car out of the work
bay with a jitterbug sander still in the trunk - and it really does
happen. That pipe is coming off the wall.

That's with regular Schedule 40 PVC - if you use the paper-thin cheap
**** (Schedule 125) that's meant for lawn sprinkler lines after the
valve, you're just begging for a disaster. That stuff breaks if you
look at it cross-eyed.

I can see avoiding Copper pipe for your air line for the cost, but
Black Pipe isn't all that much more than Schedule 40 PVC pipe. There
is an extra-heavy Schedule 80 PVC pipe, but that will be more
expensive than Black Pipe - and the oil and solvents will still get to
it, just not as fast.

And if you lay it out right, you only need to go get a few lengths of
the Black Pipe custom cut and threaded, the rest can be full sticks or
standard length nipples off the shelf. Especially on a home shop
where you'll only need to rig a few drops.

It's not like building a 50,000 SF production machine shop with three
compressors feeding two air dryers and a "ring main" system with 100+
drops, and built so they can isolate a bad section while everything
else still works. Multiple service shutoff valves around the room,
and valves at each branch line and tap point.

-- Bruce --


SHUSSSSS!! Thats how Ive made a significant portion of my income in the
past 10 yrs.

VBG

I rather like doing those kinds of jobs. Electric threader, a half
trailer load of black pipe, some screw guns and boxes of clamps and a
good print of the shop and where the machines are going..and Im happy as
a cat in a drum of catfood.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch