This was Saturday, Burien, WA, USA.

My brother bought a band saw.
It was an old craftsman saw with a shop built stand had two built in
jack shafts and idler style clutch.

The wood stove was shop made.

There was also a home made table saw that looked like factory, but the
walls were made of wood.

There was a cut off band saw made from scratch, that really did look
like factory.

Clark Magnuson wrote:

This was Saturday, Burien, WA, USA.

My brother bought a band saw.
It was an old craftsman saw with a shop built stand had two built in
jack shafts and idler style clutch.

The wood stove was shop made.

There was also a home made table saw that looked like factory, but the
walls were made of wood.

There was a cut off band saw made from scratch, that really did look
like factory.

I take digicams to auctions. Sometimes there are things you just have to take pictures of
to immortalize the mortal.

Wes

Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.
Steve

"Clark Magnuson" wrote in message
. ..
This was Saturday, Burien, WA, USA.

My brother bought a band saw.
It was an old craftsman saw with a shop built stand had two built in jack
shafts and idler style clutch.

The wood stove was shop made.

There was also a home made table saw that looked like factory, but the
walls were made of wood.

There was a cut off band saw made from scratch, that really did look like
factory.

On 04 Jun 2008 06:48:55 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" writes:

Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.

Make a list with prices. Put it in your safety deposit box.
Or sell them before you die.
Or will them to someone you admire.

Any other ideas, out there?

I like your last suggestion the most, but I've put the business card
of an auctioneer I trust in with my will and other papers. He's a
really good guy I've been bidding/buying from at machine shop auctions
for years. And his son is now in the business and getting good, just
in case I outlive the Dad.

Brian Lawson.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:45:41 +0200, Steve Lusardi wrote:

Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.


Now wait a minute.

There are two types of guys who will buy tools like yours - those with
money, and those without.

Of the first type, if they wanted your tools they would buy them nomatter
what the price.

I suggest that of the second type, a greater percentage of them will
appreciate the tool properly.

*YOU* won't care about the tools; your survivors won't either (else they
would not sell them), so they are probably going to someone who will.

Um, like me.

The only possible loosers are your survivors, and hell, if they don't
appreciate good tools, serves 'em right.

On 2008-06-04, Steve Lusardi wrote:
Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.
Steve

Can you simply make labels that say what the tools are and a
conservative estimation of their worth, and stick them on the tools?
At least the machines?

i

"Clark Magnuson" wrote in message
. ..
This was Saturday, Burien, WA, USA.

My brother bought a band saw.
It was an old craftsman saw with a shop built stand had two built in jack
shafts and idler style clutch.

The wood stove was shop made.

There was also a home made table saw that looked like factory, but the
walls were made of wood.

There was a cut off band saw made from scratch, that really did look like
factory.



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Steve Lusardi wrote:
Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.
Steve

At least some of those tools will go to people who will appreciate the
care you took to buy/build and maintain them each time they use them. I
know that when I have some old, well used, well-maintained tool in my
hand I thank the original owner whenever I use it.

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"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I
have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices,
because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they
could
care less.
Steve


Caring about material possessions is what you do when you are alive. Once
you're dead nothing matters to you. Everything is destroyed, broken, or
wears out and goes to the dump sooner or later. If someone gets a bargain on
your tools, if they go for a premium price, is not really a concern for you
after you are dead. Just use your stuff and get the most out of it while
you're alive.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message
...
Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I
have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices,
because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they
could
care less.
Steve


Caring about material possessions is what you do when you are alive. Once
you're dead nothing matters to you. Everything is destroyed, broken, or
wears out and goes to the dump sooner or later. If someone gets a bargain
on
your tools, if they go for a premium price, is not really a concern for
you
after you are dead. Just use your stuff and get the most out of it while
you're alive.

Hawke


I think I want my wife and kids to get the actual value for my tools after I
die.
Steve

On Jun 4, 6:48*am, Maxwell Lol wrote:
"Steve Lusardi" writes:
Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.

Make a list with prices. Put it in your safety deposit box.
Or sell them before you die.
Or will them to someone you admire.

Any other ideas, out there?

I liked the NEMES method; the club arranges a group visit with the
deceased member's family. You offer them whatever you think each tool
is worth, but with other club members in line and listening there is
considerable pressure to be fair and reasonable.

Jim Wilkins

Steve Lusardi wrote:
Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.
Steve

"Clark Magnuson" wrote in message
. ..

This was Saturday, Burien, WA, USA.

My brother bought a band saw.
It was an old craftsman saw with a shop built stand had two built in jack
shafts and idler style clutch.

The wood stove was shop made.

There was also a home made table saw that looked like factory, but the
walls were made of wood.

There was a cut off band saw made from scratch, that really did look like
factory.



I work with my son, and I fully expect my grandson to join in when he is
old enough. He's already had a few tries at TIG and is only 6. Keep it
in the family and those tools will accumulate and always be appreciated.

cheers
T.Alan

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:51:48 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Jun 4, 6:48*am, Maxwell Lol wrote:
"Steve Lusardi" writes:
Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.

Make a list with prices. Put it in your safety deposit box.
Or sell them before you die.
Or will them to someone you admire.

Any other ideas, out there?

I liked the NEMES method; the club arranges a group visit with the
deceased member's family. You offer them whatever you think each tool
is worth, but with other club members in line and listening there is
considerable pressure to be fair and reasonable.

Jim Wilkins


I like it...assuming all members are not Deal Hunters

Gunner

"Steve Lusardi" wrote:

Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.
Steve


Better us than the scrap metal company. Germany is a bit far for most of us but Nick
might attend the funeral.


Work on getting the grandkids intererested.

Wes

On 04 Jun 2008 06:48:55 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" writes:

Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.

Make a list with prices. Put it in your safety deposit box.
Or sell them before you die.
Or will them to someone you admire.

Any other ideas, out there?
The only thing second son wants is all Dad's "Junk" in the basement,
and that's the way it is written down.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On Jun 5, 11:14 am, Gerald Miller wrote:
On 04 Jun 2008 06:48:55 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" writes:

Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.

Make a list with prices. Put it in your safety deposit box.
Or sell them before you die.
Or will them to someone you admire.

Any other ideas, out there?

The only thing second son wants is all Dad's "Junk" in the basement,
and that's the way it is written down.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Its a universal problem - the Amateur Radio community has the same
dilemma. Like metalworking, most people outside a small group have no
idea what something is worth, or even what it is - to the widow, its
just Hobby Stuff, and she has no idea of what it cost (Mmm, well, yes
- how many of us tell our wives the WHOLE truth about what we buy, and
if its tooling etc collected over a long period, it amounts to a fair
bit....)

What is REALLY nasty is when someone turns up, claims to have been a
close friend of the deceased and tells the still shell shocked widow
that he will take care of all the gear for her.....usually offers a
pittance. And, too many times, the widow could really do with the
money...

Most people are sensitive to the feelings of others, and wont turn up
the day after a death to ask about equipment - decency forbids this.
But the mongrels who do use this to get in before things can be done
with morality and ethics...

And thats reason enough to make SOME sort of plans for when you go to
The Big Shop In the Sky...


Andrew VK3BFA.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:08:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:14 am, Gerald Miller wrote:
On 04 Jun 2008 06:48:55 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:



The only thing second son wants is all Dad's "Junk" in the basement,
and that's the way it is written down.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Its a universal problem - the Amateur Radio community has the same
dilemma. Like metalworking, most people outside a small group have no
idea what something is worth, or even what it is - to the widow, its
just Hobby Stuff, and she has no idea of what it cost (Mmm, well, yes
- how many of us tell our wives the WHOLE truth about what we buy, and
if its tooling etc collected over a long period, it amounts to a fair
bit....)

In my case, a lot of it came at bargain (Saturday Morning) prices - I
have three weed whackers at a total cost to me of $16.00, and of that,
$10.00 was for parts for the one I insisted on giving the seller $1.00
instead of taking for free (she had paid $5.00 for it) - and many
other examples.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jun 4, 6:48 am, Maxwell Lol wrote:
"Steve Lusardi" writes:
Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.
Make a list with prices. Put it in your safety deposit box.
Or sell them before you die.
Or will them to someone you admire.

Any other ideas, out there?

I liked the NEMES method; the club arranges a group visit with the
deceased member's family. You offer them whatever you think each tool
is worth, but with other club members in line and listening there is
considerable pressure to be fair and reasonable.

Jim Wilkins


A while ago, I floated an idea like a "reverse mortgage". Sell your
shop before you die! Find a person who wants your stuff, and work out a
deal where upon your death or permanent disability, your shop passes to
him or her. Take a hunk of the money right up front, and get a lawyer
to write up a document with good pictures of what is and is not
included, and share it with your heirs. You get money for more toys
while you can still enjoy it, make a deal you feel is fair and know that
there will be no confusion in the end. You can even teach the buyer
about all the idiosyncrasies of your tools, and what jigs are for what.

Might even make a machining friend along the way.

I'd love to meet a Cincinnati area geezer who would be interested in
such a deal.

Stuart

On Jun 4, 9:08 pm, wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:14 am, Gerald Miller wrote:



On 04 Jun 2008 06:48:55 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:

"Steve Lusardi" writes:

Ya well, I'm an old guy and you should see my shop and all the tools I have
made and accumulated over the years. Unfortunately, I will die someday as
well and what ****es me off is the fact that when that happens some yahoo
like you will get to steal these things at incredible cheap prices, because
my survivors haven't got a clue on their real worth and frankly, they could
care less.

Make a list with prices. Put it in your safety deposit box.
Or sell them before you die.
Or will them to someone you admire.

Any other ideas, out there?

The only thing second son wants is all Dad's "Junk" in the basement,
and that's the way it is written down.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Its a universal problem - the Amateur Radio community has the same
dilemma. Like metalworking, most people outside a small group have no
idea what something is worth, or even what it is - to the widow, its
just Hobby Stuff, and she has no idea of what it cost (Mmm, well, yes
- how many of us tell our wives the WHOLE truth about what we buy, and
if its tooling etc collected over a long period, it amounts to a fair
bit....)

What is REALLY nasty is when someone turns up, claims to have been a
close friend of the deceased and tells the still shell shocked widow
that he will take care of all the gear for her.....usually offers a
pittance. And, too many times, the widow could really do with the
money...

Most people are sensitive to the feelings of others, and wont turn up
the day after a death to ask about equipment - decency forbids this.
But the mongrels who do use this to get in before things can be done
with morality and ethics...

And thats reason enough to make SOME sort of plans for when you go to
The Big Shop In the Sky...

Andrew VK3BFA.

Yep. Just saw that very thing. Co-workers BIL just passed. I helped
him dispense with the radio gear. For most I got a fair price, but
the family just wanted to be "done with the junk". A few people out
there got some really great deals on some nice older equipment.

A large portion did go to members of the local radio club, and it was
good to support those people.

JW AC0KO

wrote:

What is REALLY nasty is when someone turns up, claims to have been a
close friend of the deceased and tells the still shell shocked widow
that he will take care of all the gear for her.....usually offers a
pittance. And, too many times, the widow could really do with the
money...

I've had the joy of putting prices on things. Really sad to meet a guy through his tools
and shop. I'd have liked to have met him in person, alive and healthy.

I put prices on things with sticky notes. The group helped me put a price on this lathe.

I'd have liked to have his drill press, I made an offer while pricing and when it went to
auction I bid the price I marked and stopped since it is what I thought it was worth. The
only other bidder thought it was worth more. Good for the widow, she needed the money.

The widow was smart, she asked for multiple opinions from people she trusted or from
friends of people she trusted to have honest friends.

I sure wish I had met the guy alive and well. Only 2 miles up the road. Next door by
rural standards.

Wes