I just put $20.00 down (and thats the selling price) for a old Doall 16"
band saw. It has a welder built in and needs some assembly but what the hell
$20.00 is fair. What does this thing weight? I was thinking of straping some
3/4 plywood to it and laying it down on the bed of my truck to move, any
problems with that? I will also be picking up (part of the deal) a very
small punch press table top thing just to dump for the seller and a few
other odds.

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I just put $20.00 down (and thats the selling price) for a old Doall 16"
band saw. It has a welder built in and needs some assembly but what the hell
$20.00 is fair. What does this thing weight? I was thinking of straping some
3/4 plywood to it and laying it down on the bed of my truck to move, any
problems with that? I will also be picking up (part of the deal) a very
small punch press table top thing just to dump for the seller and a few
other odds.


If it's a Metalmaster, or ML, or one of the other 16" saws
without a hydraulic table, I'd say about 1200#. I've got a
1948 ML, and with some care and planning wouldn't be too
concerned about moving it as you describe. I'd bring a good
supply of blocking and nails in order to support the saw in
places that won't do damage; there are knobs and levers
sticking out on all sides.

On the other hand, the saw is not very top heavy,
especially if you remove the table, which probably weighs
150-200#. I moved mine standing up, securely strapped on a
flatbed.

Manuals are online on DoAll's site.

Ned Simmons

I was not sure the best way to lift it up to get it on a trailer, laying
down on the bed would help ith this.
"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
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says...
I just put $20.00 down (and thats the selling price) for a old Doall 16"
band saw. It has a welder built in and needs some assembly but what the
hell
$20.00 is fair. What does this thing weight? I was thinking of straping
some
3/4 plywood to it and laying it down on the bed of my truck to move, any
problems with that? I will also be picking up (part of the deal) a very
small punch press table top thing just to dump for the seller and a few
other odds.


If it's a Metalmaster, or ML, or one of the other 16" saws
without a hydraulic table, I'd say about 1200#. I've got a
1948 ML, and with some care and planning wouldn't be too
concerned about moving it as you describe. I'd bring a good
supply of blocking and nails in order to support the saw in
places that won't do damage; there are knobs and levers
sticking out on all sides.

On the other hand, the saw is not very top heavy,
especially if you remove the table, which probably weighs
150-200#. I moved mine standing up, securely strapped on a
flatbed.

Manuals are online on DoAll's site.

Ned Simmons

I forgot to ask is this a good machine? it is the ML with the big "what
speed to use" dial on top. the table, lower wheel, motor and varaible drive
parts are out but all there. The price is good but is worth all the effort?
It sure looks like one hell of a machine.
"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
I just put $20.00 down (and thats the selling price) for a old Doall 16"
band saw. It has a welder built in and needs some assembly but what the
hell
$20.00 is fair. What does this thing weight? I was thinking of straping
some
3/4 plywood to it and laying it down on the bed of my truck to move, any
problems with that? I will also be picking up (part of the deal) a very
small punch press table top thing just to dump for the seller and a few
other odds.


If it's a Metalmaster, or ML, or one of the other 16" saws
without a hydraulic table, I'd say about 1200#. I've got a
1948 ML, and with some care and planning wouldn't be too
concerned about moving it as you describe. I'd bring a good
supply of blocking and nails in order to support the saw in
places that won't do damage; there are knobs and levers
sticking out on all sides.

On the other hand, the saw is not very top heavy,
especially if you remove the table, which probably weighs
150-200#. I moved mine standing up, securely strapped on a
flatbed.

Manuals are online on DoAll's site.

Ned Simmons

Thats a great deal. I paid $800 for mine and shortly after I bought it
low gear stripped. I just tipped it into a trailer after removing the
table top which is quite heavy.

stan

Just curious, how were you planning on getting the machine into the
back of the truck once it is laying down? I knew a guy that did this a
lot and he rigged up a trailer with a 10,000 lb winch (like
http://www.anchorexpress.com/p77912.html) at the end nearest the
hitch, just like on boat trailers. He would put heavy machinery on
skids, fold down a ramp at the end of the trailer, grease the skids,
and winch the machine onto the trailer. On the way out, he would hook
the machine to a winch in the front of the shop, skid it off of the
trailer, and put it on rollers to move it into place. Lesson: it is
easier to pull heavy machinery into a truck than try to push it in.

lay the top on the bed, the base still on the ground, use winch to pull it
up in. The wood frame would protect it and make loading safer. At home I
have a tractor with a bucket loader so unloading is less work. the table,
supports, motor, transmission are all off the machine now so the main frame
is a bit lighter than the the whole machine.
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Just curious, how were you planning on getting the machine into the
back of the truck once it is laying down? I knew a guy that did this a
lot and he rigged up a trailer with a 10,000 lb winch (like
http://www.anchorexpress.com/p77912.html) at the end nearest the
hitch, just like on boat trailers. He would put heavy machinery on
skids, fold down a ramp at the end of the trailer, grease the skids,
and winch the machine onto the trailer. On the way out, he would hook
the machine to a winch in the front of the shop, skid it off of the
trailer, and put it on rollers to move it into place. Lesson: it is
easier to pull heavy machinery into a truck than try to push it in.

In article ,
says...
I forgot to ask is this a good machine? it is the ML with the big "what
speed to use" dial on top. the table, lower wheel, motor and varaible drive
parts are out but all there. The price is good but is worth all the effort?
It sure looks like one hell of a machine.

IMO, you won't find much better in a small bandsaw, except
perhaps a Grob like Peter mentioned. The design is low-tech
and bullet proof. Parts are available from DoAll, but not
cheap.

The only complaint I have with mine is that the speed tops
out at 1500 FPM, which is too slow for efficient friction
sawing.

I made a set of guides that twist the blade 90 degrees so
it can cut off long stock.

http://www.suscom-maine.net/
~nsimmons/news/BandsawGuide1.JPG

http://www.suscom-maine.net/
~nsimmons/news/BandsawGuide2.JPG

I learned later that DoAll actually made similar guides,
though not with rollers and with only a 45 degree twist.


Ned Simmons

I have a licensed copy of a Grob Bros 18" saw. Guesstimated weight over
500 kg. I tried lifting it with a 250kg chain block. no go. A 750kg one
worked nicely.

Agree WRT weight distribution - most of the weight is low down. Take
the table off and it becomes even more bottom heavy, no great risk of
toppling if you're moderately careful.

As for price - I paid $600 for mine and another $400 to ship it 2
states from where I bought it. Money well spent and it's paid for
itself already. For the price you paid, as long as the wheels go round
& round with the blade tracking true, you're in front. You can always
scrap the entire drive train if it's all crap and still have a big
robust bandsaw.

PDW

In article , Waynemak
wrote:

I forgot to ask is this a good machine? it is the ML with the big "what
speed to use" dial on top. the table, lower wheel, motor and varaible drive
parts are out but all there. The price is good but is worth all the effort?
It sure looks like one hell of a machine.
"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
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In article ,
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I just put $20.00 down (and thats the selling price) for a old Doall 16"
band saw. It has a welder built in and needs some assembly but what the
hell
$20.00 is fair. What does this thing weight? I was thinking of straping
some
3/4 plywood to it and laying it down on the bed of my truck to move, any
problems with that? I will also be picking up (part of the deal) a very
small punch press table top thing just to dump for the seller and a few
other odds.


If it's a Metalmaster, or ML, or one of the other 16" saws
without a hydraulic table, I'd say about 1200#. I've got a
1948 ML, and with some care and planning wouldn't be too
concerned about moving it as you describe. I'd bring a good
supply of blocking and nails in order to support the saw in
places that won't do damage; there are knobs and levers
sticking out on all sides.

On the other hand, the saw is not very top heavy,
especially if you remove the table, which probably weighs
150-200#. I moved mine standing up, securely strapped on a
flatbed.

Manuals are online on DoAll's site.

Ned Simmons

I have a 1952 VS16, it's #800. The seller lifted it with a strap under the
head, by the column, and it lifted quite straight. They also had a scale
because they sell equipment, so I believe the weight is accurate. It's
weight is spread top to bottom, so tie it well. I have the welder, but no
auto-feed, so it is a basic model. I carried it in a trailer, then tilted
the trailer and rolled it (slowly!) out by putting pipe under it. I've
made a rolling base for mine so I can move it out of the way when not using
it.

O yea, DoAll does not have the old manuals online. I believe the online ones
stop around 1960. They do sell them (~ $50), as well as the electrical
diagrams (which are only 1 page). There is an eBay vendor who occasionally
has manuals, watch for it there.
Alex

"Waynemak" wrote in message
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I just put $20.00 down (and thats the selling price) for a old Doall 16"
band saw. It has a welder built in and needs some assembly but what the
hell
$20.00 is fair. What does this thing weight? I was thinking of straping
some
3/4 plywood to it and laying it down on the bed of my truck to move, any
problems with that? I will also be picking up (part of the deal) a very
small punch press table top thing just to dump for the seller and a few
other odds.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

In article mX%Pe.2347$qg2.2310@trnddc05,
says...
I have a 1952 VS16, it's #800. The seller lifted it with a strap under the
head, by the column, and it lifted quite straight. They also had a scale
because they sell equipment, so I believe the weight is accurate.

Sounds about right. I'd guess that an ML weighs 2-300#
more, with most of the difference tied up in the cable
feed, which includes a large cast iron counterweight down
near the base.


O yea, DoAll does not have the old manuals online. I believe the online ones
stop around 1960. They do sell them (~ $50), as well as the electrical
diagrams (which are only 1 page). There is an eBay vendor who occasionally
has manuals, watch for it there.

All the manuals, back to at least 1938 for the ML, are here
(which is probably where those on ebay cam from g):

http://www.doallsawing.com/doall_sawing.aspx

Ned Simmons