Does anyone know of any good links?
Id like to see units that are running on propane or diesel, and are
completely self sustaining.....

Haaken Hveem wrote:

Does anyone know of any good links?
Id like to see units that are running on propane or diesel, and are
completely self sustaining.....

The only Tesla turbines I've seen
ran on steam.

Look up Frank Germano. Looks like his site is gone though.
http://my.execpc.com/~teba/ they've be around for a while.

Karl

"Haaken Hveem" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know of any good links?
Id like to see units that are running on propane or diesel, and are
completely self sustaining.....

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:52:27 -0000, Haaken Hveem wrote:
Does anyone know of any good links?
Id like to see units that are running on propane or diesel, and are
completely self sustaining.....

Can't be done. Anyone selling you plans to do it, is just selling you
false hope.

On 3 Mar 2005 16:03:46 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:52:27 -0000, Haaken Hveem wrote:
Does anyone know of any good links?
Id like to see units that are running on propane or diesel, and are
completely self sustaining.....

Can't be done. Anyone selling you plans to do it, is just selling you
false hope.

Why not, please?

--They're remarkably inefficient. Been there, done that, don't
bother. The Tesla turbine's one saving grace is its lack of things to be
bumped into, hence it's niche market is in the pumping of live fish. It's
a much better drive-ee than drive-er, so to speak.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blah blah blah blah
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : blah blah blah...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:42:42 -0600, Don Foreman wrote:
On 3 Mar 2005 16:03:46 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:52:27 -0000, Haaken Hveem wrote:
Does anyone know of any good links?
Id like to see units that are running on propane or diesel, and are
completely self sustaining.....

Can't be done. Anyone selling you plans to do it, is just selling you
false hope.

Why not, please?

The laws of conservation of energy. "completely self sustaining" would
require that there be no losses to heat, friction, or anything else.
That doesn't even get into the problem of extracting energy from this
mythical device, which would require it to produce more energy than it
creates. Tesla had some great ideas, but he had some stinkers too.
Greater-than-unity devices fall into the latter category, and for some
reason, Tesla's name seems to attract people who ignore the laws of physics.

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
The laws of conservation of energy. "completely self sustaining" would
require that there be no losses to heat, friction, or anything else.

Well presumably, he actually means something which will keep spinning, like
how you can make a jet engine out of an automotive turbo. It doesn't
produce much if any thrust, but it does sustain itself (given fuel of
course).

Tim

--
"California is the breakfast state: fruits, nuts and flakes."
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:51:42 -0600, Tim Williams wrote:
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
The laws of conservation of energy. "completely self sustaining" would
require that there be no losses to heat, friction, or anything else.

Well presumably, he actually means something which will keep spinning, like
how you can make a jet engine out of an automotive turbo. It doesn't
produce much if any thrust, but it does sustain itself (given fuel of
course).

Many of the people hawking "tesla-like devices" pretend that the
"given fuel, of course" clause doesn't apply. That's my point, is all.

Dave

On 3 Mar 2005 18:52:09 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:42:42 -0600, Don Foreman wrote:
On 3 Mar 2005 16:03:46 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:52:27 -0000, Haaken Hveem wrote:
Does anyone know of any good links?
Id like to see units that are running on propane or diesel, and are
completely self sustaining.....

Can't be done. Anyone selling you plans to do it, is just selling you
false hope.

Why not, please?

The laws of conservation of energy. "completely self sustaining" would
require that there be no losses to heat, friction, or anything else.
That doesn't even get into the problem of extracting energy from this
mythical device, which would require it to produce more energy than it
creates. Tesla had some great ideas, but he had some stinkers too.
Greater-than-unity devices fall into the latter category, and for some
reason, Tesla's name seems to attract people who ignore the laws of physics.

Haaken's mention of "running on propane or diesel" indicates to me
that he recognizes the need for a source of energy. I'll leave it
to Haaken to clarify what he meant by 'self sustaining".

Well, a turbine has ( usually ) a compressor , a burner , and a turbine.

By the patents, it looks like tesla planned to use a pulsating burner to
prowide enough flow of air to spin the turbine.

By self sustaining , i meant that the turbine delivers enough power to ,
well , power a blower. That is needed to induce enough air flow in the
cumbustor....



"Don Foreman" skrev i melding
...
On 3 Mar 2005 18:52:09 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:42:42 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:
On 3 Mar 2005 16:03:46 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:52:27 -0000, Haaken Hveem
wrote:
Does anyone know of any good links?
Id like to see units that are running on propane or diesel, and are
completely self sustaining.....

Can't be done. Anyone selling you plans to do it, is just selling you
false hope.

Why not, please?

The laws of conservation of energy. "completely self sustaining" would
require that there be no losses to heat, friction, or anything else.
That doesn't even get into the problem of extracting energy from this
mythical device, which would require it to produce more energy than it
creates. Tesla had some great ideas, but he had some stinkers too.
Greater-than-unity devices fall into the latter category, and for some
reason, Tesla's name seems to attract people who ignore the laws of
physics.

Haaken's mention of "running on propane or diesel" indicates to me
that he recognizes the need for a source of energy. I'll leave it
to Haaken to clarify what he meant by 'self sustaining".