Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin

"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...
Has anyone actually ordered one of these,

Does anyone else smell SPAM around here?

Vaughn

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...

Has anyone actually ordered one of these,


Does anyone else smell SPAM around here?

It certainly could have been. I still found the
site pretty interesting. The little 2-stroke has
a great retro look to it.

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...
Has anyone actually ordered one of these,

Does anyone else smell SPAM around here?

Vaughn


No spam here. I am personally interested in such vehicles, and found
that site during one of my frequent searches. I posted the question to
this group, and this group alone, because as a longtime participant I
have read discussions indicating that we have quite a few guys with
experience motorizing a bicycle. These are the type of people likely
to have checked out the item for which I supplied a link.

In looking at the engine kit (did you check it out, or just give me a
knee-jerk reply?), I thought that it offered quite a bit for $160. For
example, the resurrected "Whizzer" company here in Dallas wants about
$700 for their engine kit.

The Whizzer components are manufactured in Taiwan. I assume this $160
kit is a Chinese knockoff of something, and I was genuinely hoping to
find someone who had been brave enough (or maybe lived near the
supplier) to check one out.

best regards,

Martin

FWIW Here in Colorado anything over 50 cc's requires a motorcycle license ,
insurance and registration. I don't know where you plan on using it but
something to think about.

RellikJM

"Martin" wrote in message
ups.com...

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...
Has anyone actually ordered one of these,

Does anyone else smell SPAM around here?

Vaughn


No spam here. I am personally interested in such vehicles, and found
that site during one of my frequent searches. I posted the question to
this group, and this group alone, because as a longtime participant I
have read discussions indicating that we have quite a few guys with
experience motorizing a bicycle. These are the type of people likely
to have checked out the item for which I supplied a link.

In looking at the engine kit (did you check it out, or just give me a
knee-jerk reply?), I thought that it offered quite a bit for $160. For
example, the resurrected "Whizzer" company here in Dallas wants about
$700 for their engine kit.

The Whizzer components are manufactured in Taiwan. I assume this $160
kit is a Chinese knockoff of something, and I was genuinely hoping to
find someone who had been brave enough (or maybe lived near the
supplier) to check one out.

best regards,

Martin

I imagine there are lots of applications. Many folks have a motorcycle
license, and registration/insurance for a moped is not expensive. On
the other hand, I can imagine scenarios where one would not bother,
such as using it to cruise the non-public streets of a large RV park,
etc. Of course, you could always pedal it anywhere (no license
required to carry an engine around as dead weight) and use the engine
for assist when you think violation risk is low.

I don't think the 50cc restriction is universal. For example, when I
was a kid in Tennessee, the dividing line between "motorcycle" and
"motor-driven cycle" was 5 HP, regardless of displacement. We all rode
90cc Honda motorcycles when we were 14 (moped legal age), thanks to an
enterprising dealer who installed (easily-altered) throttle blocks
above the carburetor slides and certified them as 5 HP.

Martin

RellikJM wrote:
FWIW Here in Colorado anything over 50 cc's requires a motorcycle
license ,
insurance and registration. I don't know where you plan on using it
but
something to think about.

RellikJM

"Martin" wrote in message
ups.com...

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...
Has anyone actually ordered one of these,

Does anyone else smell SPAM around here?

Vaughn


No spam here. I am personally interested in such vehicles, and
found
that site during one of my frequent searches. I posted the
question to
this group, and this group alone, because as a longtime participant
I
have read discussions indicating that we have quite a few guys with
experience motorizing a bicycle. These are the type of people
likely
to have checked out the item for which I supplied a link.

In looking at the engine kit (did you check it out, or just give me
a
knee-jerk reply?), I thought that it offered quite a bit for $160.
For
example, the resurrected "Whizzer" company here in Dallas wants
about
$700 for their engine kit.

The Whizzer components are manufactured in Taiwan. I assume this
$160
kit is a Chinese knockoff of something, and I was genuinely hoping
to
find someone who had been brave enough (or maybe lived near the
supplier) to check one out.

best regards,

Martin

On 20 Jan 2005 08:51:19 -0800, "Martin"
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

when you think violation risk is low.

"when you think violation risk is low." hehe!

Don't you mean "when you think getting _caught_ risk is low."?

"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin

nah... add a couple bucks and get this one:
http://www.bosshosscountry.com/

walt

wallster wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...

Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin


nah... add a couple bucks and get this one:
http://www.bosshosscountry.com/

walt


You don't want one of those under powered 8 cylinder bikes, you want one
of these:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...odge_Cycle.htm

or this
http://www.dolmar.de/upload/produktB...Andi%20low.jpg

In article ,
says...
wallster wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...

Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin


nah... add a couple bucks and get this one:
http://www.bosshosscountry.com/

walt


You don't want one of those under powered 8 cylinder bikes, you want one
of these:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...odge_Cycle.htm

this one:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...o/1302876.html

"diesel_fuel" wrote in message
...
or this
http://www.dolmar.de/upload/produktB...Andi%20low.jpg

In article ,
says...
wallster wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...

Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin


nah... add a couple bucks and get this one:
http://www.bosshosscountry.com/

walt


You don't want one of those under powered 8 cylinder bikes, you want one
of these:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...odge_Cycle.htm

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:43:16 -0500, the inscrutable tomcas
spake:

wallster wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message

Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

nah... add a couple bucks and get this one:
http://www.bosshosscountry.com/

You don't want one of those under powered 8 cylinder bikes, you want one
of these:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...odge_Cycle.htm

Shades of TRON! Nah, get some biodiesel and run this puppy:

http://www.bikemenu.com/Jesse%20Jame...%20Garage.html


--
I speak 2 languages fluently: English and foul.
---------------------------
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tomcas wrote:


You don't want one of those under powered 8 cylinder bikes, you want one
of these:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...odge_Cycle.htm


That's not a motorcycle. It has more than two wheels.

Ted

--
Ted Bennett
Portland, OR

Martin wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin

Here is a review
http://moped2.org/reviews/read.asp?n...ilename=motors

and of course they are even cheaper on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8233 645&rd=1

My gut reaction is, I like it.

tomcas wrote:
Martin wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price,
since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts,
and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin

Here is a review

http://moped2.org/reviews/read.asp?n...ilename=motors

and of course they are even cheaper on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8233 645&rd=1

My gut reaction is, I like it.

Thanks for the links. From the reviews, it appears that there may be
some issue with piston galling and seizures. Maybe the chinese aren't
that careful what metals they allow to rub together. I note that the
ebay seller offers complete replacement engines for $80, though. What
a deal!

Martin

Martin wrote:

Thanks for the links. From the reviews, it appears that there may be
some issue with piston galling and seizures. Maybe the chinese aren't
that careful what metals they allow to rub together. I note that the
ebay seller offers complete replacement engines for $80, though. What
a deal!

Martin

Much of this galling problem has to to do with two lubrication problems
as opposed to quality problems.
Some people use the wrong oil, and most people make the mistake of using
the manufactures recommended ratios. These ratios are intentionally
weaned out to satisfy the environmentalist. After cooking a brand new
leaf blower with 40 to 1, I switched to 16 to 1 (or 20 to 1) on
everything,across the board, old or new. 5 years later and I have not
had any problems with string trimmers, leaf blowers, and chainsaws.

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:23:20 -0500, tomcas
wrote:

Martin wrote:

Thanks for the links. From the reviews, it appears that there may be
some issue with piston galling and seizures. Maybe the chinese aren't
that careful what metals they allow to rub together. I note that the
ebay seller offers complete replacement engines for $80, though. What
a deal!

Martin

Much of this galling problem has to to do with two lubrication problems
as opposed to quality problems.
Some people use the wrong oil, and most people make the mistake of using
the manufactures recommended ratios. These ratios are intentionally
weaned out to satisfy the environmentalist. After cooking a brand new
leaf blower with 40 to 1, I switched to 16 to 1 (or 20 to 1) on
everything,across the board, old or new. 5 years later and I have not
had any problems with string trimmers, leaf blowers, and chainsaws.

The oil I use is called Opti-Lube or some thing like that. It has Opti
as the first part of the name. When used according to the package
directions the mix ratio is about 100 to 1. It works very well. I use
it in all my 2 stroke motors. Chain saw, outboard, etc.. I called the
company when using it for the first time several years ago and spoke
to the company president. He told me that he collects antique
outboards and he uses the oil at 100 to 1 in the old motors. They will
replace any motor that fails from lack of lube, such as galling or
bearing failure, free of charge. It's more expensive by volume but
about the same by use as other oils. The motors run much better with
the leaner mixture and plugs foul much less. Here is the web site:
http://www.opti2-4.com/ . I have no connection with any company making
or selling this stuff. It just works very well.
ERS

The Golden Eagle engine kit for bicycles is pretty decent. Getting the belt drive gear on the engine to line up correctly with the drive ring you snap on your rear tire is a trial and error process though. The mounting bolts for the strap between the mounting frame and rear of the bicycle should be loctited. Vibration fatigue and broke my first strap, but I had a sharp bend in it from the start I never corrected. Top speed is around 30, milage seems to be around 200 miles per gallon. I've been able to start the Redmax engine at 6 degrees- a cool but fun ride..


Martin wrote:

tomcas wrote:
Martin wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price,
since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts,
and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

This kit is belt drive? Do you have a link to the sales site? Cost?

Martin

Crow Leader wrote:
The Golden Eagle engine kit for bicycles is pretty decent. Getting
the belt drive gear on the engine to line up correctly with the drive
ring you snap on your rear tire is a trial and error process though.
The mounting bolts for the strap between the mounting frame and rear of
the bicycle should be loctited. Vibration fatigue and broke my first
strap, but I had a sharp bend in it from the start I never corrected.
Top speed is around 30, milage seems to be around 200 miles per gallon.
I've been able to start the Redmax engine at 6 degrees- a cool but fun
ride..


Martin wrote:

tomcas wrote:
Martin wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price,
since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting
parts,
and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:18:26 -0500, tomcas
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Martin wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin

Here is a review
http://moped2.org/reviews/read.asp?n...ilename=motors


Whicj pretty well seems to sum it up.....

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:18:26 -0500, tomcas
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Martin wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin

Here is a review
http://moped2.org/reviews/read.asp?n...ilename=motors

and of course they are even cheaper on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8233 645&rd=1

My gut reaction is, I like it.

Oh....what about those reviews? Two out of three were loser....

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:32:54 +0800, the inscrutable Old Nick
spake:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:18:26 -0500, tomcas
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Martin wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin

Here is a review
http://moped2.org/reviews/read.asp?n...ilename=motors

and of course they are even cheaper on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8233 645&rd=1

My gut reaction is, I like it.

Oh....what about those reviews? Two out of three were loser....

What, the two who said "Do you know anything about these things?"
The price is sure nicer at $135 than the Sumbitchy at $699 or the
Tecumseh at $399.


--

People will occasionally stumble over the truth, but
most of the time they'll pick themselves up and carry on.
--anon

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:33:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

" installed this kit on a Schwinn Stingray. With the 50 tooth sprocket
the top
speed is aprox. 35mph. The mileage is about 70 mpg. Upgrading the seat
to a Bell
definitely improves the experience- no suspension. The plastic
tensioner,the cables-gas and
clutch are of low utility and should be replaced. Torque and power are
a feature of
this motor as is vibration. Parts not loc-tited will eject, the spark
plug connection
disintigrates, and the exhaust must be fabricated as just bolting on
the supplied system has
issues with ground clearance and an ejection problem. As a package it
is addictive to
operate, and the public reaction has been great."


"This kit that you see on e-bay is really quite CHEAP and I don`t mean
price
wise. It`s made in China so what do you expect? you get what you pay
for. When I got
my kit I literally had to rebuild or replace everything, clutch cabel,
carb, broken
ignition wire etc. The motor ran for about two mile before it seized
up on me and yes I
had the proper oil to gas mixture. I think a person is better off
getting a
tecumseh or honda engine which can be easily serviced. Unless you are
a mechanic, it`s
hard to find somebody to service these skyhawk motors plus parts have
to be ordered.
Personal pet peeve is that everything is METRIC"


Oh....what about those reviews? Two out of three were loser....

What, the two who said "Do you know anything about these things?"
The price is sure nicer at $135 than the Sumbitchy at $699 or the
Tecumseh at $399.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:38:20 +0800, the inscrutable Old Nick
spake:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:33:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

" installed this kit on a Schwinn Stingray. With the 50 tooth sprocket
the top
speed is aprox. 35mph. The mileage is about 70 mpg. Upgrading the seat
to a Bell
definitely improves the experience- no suspension. The plastic
tensioner,the cables-gas and
clutch are of low utility and should be replaced. Torque and power are
a feature of
this motor as is vibration. Parts not loc-tited will eject, the spark
plug connection
disintigrates, and the exhaust must be fabricated as just bolting on
the supplied system has
issues with ground clearance and an ejection problem. As a package it
is addictive to
operate, and the public reaction has been great."

That's not a loser review, it's positive, but points out the
weaknesses. Loc-tite is a given on every screw on every motorcycle.
Yes, ground clearance on a Stingray is a given, and cables are a
standard, high-maintenance part, as usual. On the positive side,
he says the thing is addictive, torquey, and powerful, with public
reaction great. This was the one valid review, IMHO.


"This kit that you see on e-bay is really quite CHEAP and I don`t mean
price
wise. It`s made in China so what do you expect? you get what you pay
for. When I got
my kit I literally had to rebuild or replace everything, clutch cabel,
carb, broken
ignition wire etc. The motor ran for about two mile before it seized
up on me and yes I
had the proper oil to gas mixture. I think a person is better off
getting a
tecumseh or honda engine which can be easily serviced. Unless you are
a mechanic, it`s
hard to find somebody to service these skyhawk motors plus parts have
to be ordered.
Personal pet peeve is that everything is METRIC"

Yes, this review (and I believe the reviewer) was a loser. I
discounted it due to the 100% whine factor (there were NO positive
points), misspellings, and his metric statement. Anyone with a
problem about metrical whosawhatsits doesn't belong in this era.
(As a recovering mechanic in the USA, with 2 sets of tools, I
should know. I lived through it 30 years ago.)

SOLUTIONS:

As to the availability of parts, at this price, one could buy 2
kits (2/3 the price of the next offering) and keep one for spares
until parts become more readily available.

OR buy 10 kits. Build one, keep one, and sell 8 in pieces as spare
parts for a 3x markup.

OR buy an extra kit, cast or machine replacement parts of much higher
quality and sell at a premium. -- total metal content

g


--

People will occasionally stumble over the truth, but
most of the time they'll pick themselves up and carry on.
--anon

In addition to the other comments, I wonder about the sprocket sizes.
The rear sprocket is small enough that I doubt this could be
direct-drive off the crankshaft, yet there is no mention of a
transmission. I wonder if it just has a simple on-board gear
reduction?

Martin

Martin wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered one of these, can you comment on the
quality/completeness of the kit? It seems like a decent price, since
it seemingly includes all the handlebar controls, mounting parts, and
a
gas tank.
Link: http://www.kingsmotorbikes.com/home.htm

best regards,

Martin