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To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 05:54:17 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

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I wondered what happened to that guy a few years ago that
was going to move to Iowa (IIRC) & start a new machine shop ......

Same guy?
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I dunno Gunner...one might find oneself literally fighting off a
herd of Rattus Norvegicus for some space at the Kerosun heater till the
money runs out...

Charles Morrill

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 05:54:17 GMT, Gunner
calmly ranted:

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Yabbut you'd have to -LIVE- in EyeOhWay fer that. Pass.
It's a nice Shop with Attached House, though.


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Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon


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"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas

Jon wrote:

Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon


Hell that's about 25% of the current price of my main house
here in the UK.

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:42:05 -0800, "Jon" wrote:

Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon

Your ****ting me? Really?

Gunner



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"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas


"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas

The tree huggers hate folk like me anyway I think around here most of it
is zoned industrial/ag anyway. I know of some pretty nice shops out in the
valley and it doesn't seem to bother the cows any ... but then they do seem
to be more intelligent than the tree huggers LOL

Glenn
"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:42:05 -0800, "Jon" wrote:

Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial
business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon

Your ****ting me? Really?

Gunner



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"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas


"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:49:59 GMT, Gunner
calmly ranted:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:42:05 -0800, "Jon" wrote:

Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon

Your ****ting me? Really?

I don't doubt that.

I was going to keep more busy by doing handyman work until I learned
that to work inside someone's home up here, I need a -full-
contractor's license, a $10k bond, and $50k in insurance. And I had
always thought -CA- was overregulated... grrrr Suckage Major.

That's right, folks. To lube a squeaky hinge in someone else's Oregon
home (for pay) requires a full contractor's license. Price: About
$1,000. (License $295 for 2 years or $590 for 4 years, a couple
hundred for the bond, and about $500 for insurance. Add several weeks'
time for studying, getting licensed, etc.)


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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:19:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:49:59 GMT, Gunner
calmly ranted:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:42:05 -0800, "Jon" wrote:

Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon

Your ****ting me? Really?

I don't doubt that.

I was going to keep more busy by doing handyman work until I learned
that to work inside someone's home up here, I need a -full-
contractor's license, a $10k bond, and $50k in insurance. And I had
always thought -CA- was overregulated... grrrr Suckage Major.

That's right, folks. To lube a squeaky hinge in someone else's Oregon
home (for pay) requires a full contractor's license. Price: About
$1,000. (License $295 for 2 years or $590 for 4 years, a couple
hundred for the bond, and about $500 for insurance. Add several weeks'
time for studying, getting licensed, etc.)

How many actual handymen go through this process?

Gunner

"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas

"Gunner" wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote:
Gunner calmly ranted:
"Jon" wrote:

Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial
business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon

Your ****ting me? Really?

I don't doubt that.

I was going to keep more busy by doing handyman work until I learned
that to work inside someone's home up here, I need a -full-
contractor's license, a $10k bond, and $50k in insurance. And I had
always thought -CA- was overregulated... grrrr Suckage Major.

That's right, folks. To lube a squeaky hinge in someone else's Oregon
home (for pay) requires a full contractor's license. Price: About
$1,000. (License $295 for 2 years or $590 for 4 years, a couple
hundred for the bond, and about $500 for insurance. Add several weeks'
time for studying, getting licensed, etc.)

How many actual handymen go through this process?

The ones that advertise all do - you can't even place an ad unless you have
a CCB number.

Basically, if you're a full-time advertising handyman you need the license
and bond. If you do stuff on a referral basis, or are doing it pay your way
through college, well....

Jon

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:17:42 GMT, Gunner
calmly ranted:

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:19:48 -0800, Larry Jaques

That's right, folks. To lube a squeaky hinge in someone else's Oregon
home (for pay) requires a full contractor's license. Price: About
$1,000. (License $295 for 2 years or $590 for 4 years, a couple
hundred for the bond, and about $500 for insurance. Add several weeks'
time for studying, getting licensed, etc.)

How many actual handymen go through this process?

Quite a few, it seems. I see half a dozen ads in the local paper
for them, all licensed. And the local paper is who clued me in.
I was asked for a license number and when I couldn't produce one,
they said they couldn't run the ad. I was floored even more when
I checked out the actual requirements and came up with that figure.



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"Jon" wrote in message
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Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial
business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.

I knew there was a good reason I didnt relocate to Oregon.

Im up in Cowlitz county ( SW Wa. ) in an unzoned area, where pretty much
anything goes........

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Jon wrote:

Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial business
on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon


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To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas



No wonder the farmers are going broke - all hobbies now!

I don't believe the 'can't have a commercial business on farmland' or ranchland.
Both are businesses and often multiple businesses exist be be either.

Martin

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Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
Jon wrote:

Boy howdy that would be illegle in Oregon. Can't have a commercial
business on farmland. The tree huggers would hate you.
Jon


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"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the
civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas



No wonder the farmers are going broke - all hobbies now!

I don't believe the 'can't have a commercial business on farmland' or
ranchland. Both are businesses and often multiple businesses exist be
be either.
Martin
No, Oregon is the land of planning. We have a state wide planning. To own
farming land, you must earn like $80,000 from I think 10 acres in order to
have a home on it. Many folks in Oregon bought a 5 or 10 acre parcel back
in the 60-70's and then the land use planning changed and these folks found
out they could NOT build and live on their own land in retirement.
One lady bout 40 acres up off forest park in Portland, back in the 50's.
Would be worth millions, but they changed it to forest land only and now she
lives on Social security.
We just passed our measure 37, which says if you can't use the land as it
was zoned originally, then the government either needs to pay you the
difference, or make a waiver so you can use the land anyway. All the
politicians are screaming this is the end of the world. They love planning.
We have an urban growth boundry around the bigger cities, and anything
outside the line cannot be used for anything but agricultural use. Its
farmland, only. They want dense urban areas, and lots of open spaces.
Kinda ridiculous considering people only own about 6% of all the land area
in Oregon. The state and fed own the rest.
Welcome to Moscow on the Willamette.
Jon

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:09:39 -0800, "Jon" wrote:

No, Oregon is the land of planning. We have a state wide planning. To own
farming land, you must earn like $80,000 from I think 10 acres in order to
have a home on it. Many folks in Oregon bought a 5 or 10 acre parcel back
in the 60-70's and then the land use planning changed and these folks found
out they could NOT build and live on their own land in retirement.
One lady bout 40 acres up off forest park in Portland, back in the 50's.
Would be worth millions, but they changed it to forest land only and now she
lives on Social security.
We just passed our measure 37, which says if you can't use the land as it
was zoned originally, then the government either needs to pay you the
difference, or make a waiver so you can use the land anyway. All the
politicians are screaming this is the end of the world. They love planning.
We have an urban growth boundry around the bigger cities, and anything
outside the line cannot be used for anything but agricultural use. Its
farmland, only. They want dense urban areas, and lots of open spaces.
Kinda ridiculous considering people only own about 6% of all the land area
in Oregon. The state and fed own the rest.
Welcome to Moscow on the Willamette.

Perhaps you should get a degree in urban planning. Probably
at least a masters. Chance of a PhD so that you can teach?

Here's an easy program: http://dusp.mit.edu/ G.
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Cliff

"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:09:39 -0800, "Jon" wrote:

No, Oregon is the land of planning. We have a state wide planning. To own
farming land, you must earn like $80,000 from I think 10 acres in order to
have a home on it. Many folks in Oregon bought a 5 or 10 acre parcel back
in the 60-70's and then the land use planning changed and these folks found
out they could NOT build and live on their own land in retirement.
One lady bout 40 acres up off forest park in Portland, back in the 50's.
Would be worth millions, but they changed it to forest land only and now she
lives on Social security.
We just passed our measure 37, which says if you can't use the land as it
was zoned originally, then the government either needs to pay you the
difference, or make a waiver so you can use the land anyway. All the
politicians are screaming this is the end of the world. They love planning.
We have an urban growth boundry around the bigger cities, and anything
outside the line cannot be used for anything but agricultural use. Its
farmland, only. They want dense urban areas, and lots of open spaces.
Kinda ridiculous considering people only own about 6% of all the land area
in Oregon. The state and fed own the rest.
Welcome to Moscow on the Willamette.

Perhaps you should get a degree in urban planning. Probably
at least a masters. Chance of a PhD so that you can teach?

Here's an easy program: http://dusp.mit.edu/ G.
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1984 tuition costs were I believe around 9k.../year undergrad
study in Aerospace engineering...
Federal loans more easily had for young people of his RACE.
With papers to be mailed he says a big not!, so there goes his
high pitched excitement at Boston's theme park of higher learning.
Now in retrospect he sees this was just one in series of
psychotic episodes throughout his life that inevitably brought
progress to a screatching halt.
It has taken several years to put a cap on these Psychotic outbreaks,
today the focus seems good as he finally has a clear path to travel,
and there is nothing strange about it. The newer common sense
approach has consumed more time then expected G


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