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Btu's per Pound to melt different metals?
I've been casting for a while off a friend's blacksmiths forge using
coke as the fuel. It's a fairly easy process, and we haven't had any trouble so far getting up to melts of about 12lbs. of bronze. Takes 15-20 minutes to do a melt from cold metal. I also got out an old foundry text book, which has some useful tables on the energy per pound from burning coke, air consumption etc. No units given - this is a fairly old book. My question is: does anyone know where I can find a table for the energy required to melt different alloys and metals? Not the temperature required, but the total energy required to get the melt. I'm looking at building a coke furnace, and I'd like to be able to do some ballpark estimates on how much metal could reasonably be poured. regards, Matt Turner Turner Racing Shells Ltd. |
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Matthew Turner wrote:
.... I'm looking at building a coke furnace, and I'd like to be able to do some ballpark estimates on how much metal could reasonably be poured. I'd say that the chances of your doing this (estimating) are really, really small. Because I don't think that you'll be able to get any kind of handle on your efficiency. When you burn a pound of coke, most of the energy goes up the flue. Most(?) of what's used heats the furnace itself. The rest heats/melts the charge. The numbers are so dependent upon your design (size, geometry, material, air flow, etc) that you'll never get a reliable estimate, even a ballpark one. IMVHO, of course. Bob |
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"Matthew Turner" wrote in message om... I've been casting for a while off a friend's blacksmiths forge using coke as the fuel. It's a fairly easy process, and we haven't had any trouble so far getting up to melts of about 12lbs. of bronze. Takes 15-20 minutes to do a melt from cold metal. I also got out an old foundry text book, which has some useful tables on the energy per pound from burning coke, air consumption etc. No units given - this is a fairly old book. My question is: does anyone know where I can find a table for the energy required to melt different alloys and metals? Not the temperature required, but the total energy required to get the melt. I'm looking at building a coke furnace, and I'd like to be able to do some ballpark estimates on how much metal could reasonably be poured. regards, Matt Turner Turner Racing Shells Ltd. Hey Matt. Haven't seen messages from you on oldtools for a while. Take a look at "Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces, and Kilns" by Michael Porter. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846 Pete |
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Bob Engelhardt writes:
I'd say that the chances of your doing this (estimating) are really, really small. Because I don't think that you'll be able to get any kind of handle on your efficiency. More complicated still than mere static efficiency. There are differential equations that govern based on rates. You can add arbitrary amounts of heat and not melt anything, if the addition is too slow. |
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Don't know if this is what you are looking for, but for several years I
have operated a coke-fired crucible furnace that pre-heats its air blast. On the average it can melt about 2 1/2 lb. brass to 1 lb. coke, so with a coke cost of $95.00/ton this comes to about $0.047 worth of fuel per pound of brass, or approximately $1.00 worth to melt a 50 lb. pot. I haven't checked the price of coke recently so the cost may be a bit higher now. Mike |
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Pounds of Iron to Coke.
replying to Bob Engelhardt, Mastermelter wrote:
bobengelhardt wrote: ... I'd say that the chances of your doing this (estimating) are really, really small. Because I don't think that you'll be able to get any kind of handle on your efficiency. When you burn a pound of coke, most of the energy goes up the flue. Most(?) of what's used heats the furnace itself. The rest heats/melts the charge. The numbers are so dependent upon your design (size, geometry, material, air flow, etc) that you'll never get a reliable estimate, even a ballpark one. IMVHO, of course. Bob AFS Cupola Handbook says 1 pound of Coke will melt 6 pounds of Cast Iron. -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...ls-382559-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups |
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