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Re. Rotary phase converters - magic or myths
In a recent long and wandering thread, (phase converter questions 8/24) it
was written: "A pair of good posts. It really is refreshing to see some solid input on 3 phase phase conversions which is both soundly based and backed up by direct measurement. I hope it will dispel some of the myths on minimum sizes of idlers and the practical usefulness of precision "tuning"." This, of course, refers mainly to the excellent report from Jerry Martes and tests made with his dynamometer. Perhaps, I know a bit more than others about Jerry and his dynamometer. I have knowledge of some of the design particulars of Jerry's dyno and I know that it is a first class machine both with regards to the way it loads and the way it measures HP. Therefore, I would be the first to say Jerry's test were soundly based and backed up by direct measurement. Jerry's tests proved that well designed 3-phase motors have a built in power reserve. The amount of "reserve" varies among manufacturers, and probably the quality of their products; it is known as "service factor" and would account for a 3-phase motor running on single-phase being able to deliver full rated 3-phase power out for a limited time. Jerry explained it very well. To those which may be "new" to rotary phase converters, I would caution not to be mislead by erroneous conclusions that may be drawn from the RCM thread, above. Jerry reported the load vs. current characteristics of 3-phase motors quite accurately and showed they can be driven beyond full rated output for short periods, whether running on single phase or 3-phase. Note that Jerry did not recommend this practice - he only reported on it. Having a bit of experience with rotary phase converters, frankly I cannot say where the "1.5 X" minimum size of idler came from. Perhaps Fitch threw it out several years ago when researching the subject, I just don't know. I do know that to successfully start a 3-phase load from an idler motor, whether "balanced" or not the idler must have a certain minimum size in order to take the load. How large, I'm not sure and have never experimented in this area. Perhaps, for starting duty only, the 1.5 figure is a bit high in some cases. I do know, though, that 1.5 is a good "platform" to work from toward voltage balancing a rotary and load system. The case for balancing can be made from a starting current standpoint. As various respondents have reported, no ordinary residential circuit breaker could stand the surge of starting a 15 or 20 HP non-balanced motor on single phase current. Precision "tuning", like magic, lies in the mind of the beholder. How much precision lies somewhere between none and much too much. Myths? I think not. No, a proper RPC system is merely an example of a serious metalworking hobbyist adhering to good engineering procedure. Bob Swinney |
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