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The engine is in a 1990s Honda H5013 tractor. This is a small tractor
with a 13 HP air cooled engine. The tractor sat for 5 years in my
brother's yard without being started or moved .
My son went down to California, near Salinas, and picked it up.
After only a little work, like changing the oil, draining the old gas
from the tank, and putting in a battery the thing started up and ran
pretty well. It burned oil when first started but then this stopped.
Now that it's up here in WA I cleaned the carb real well, and my son
adjusted the valves, were only a little loose, only .001". The thing
starts up easy and runs well but still burns oil intermittently.
When my son adjusted the valves we saw no oil pooling under the
valve cover so I don't think oil is being sucked past the intake valve
stem. But I could be wrong.
I checked the oil level and I don't think it is over filled. I am
checking the oil level according to the dirctions in the manual.
Yesterday I drove it down the hill to my neighbor's house and it
really started smoking. Then as I drove up his driveway the smoking
lessened. The downhill slope and uphill slope were not very steep
slopes.
The smoking is for sure oil smoke, white and thick in this case,
it's not the black smoke you see from an overly rich gas mixture.
Like I said, it's intermittent. I will be driving on a level slope
and the engine will start pumping out smoke for a while and then stop.
Sometimes there is a lot of smoke and sometimes just a little and
sometimes none at all.
Aside from the smoke the tractor is a great little machine, 4
wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, locking rear diff, and is the one I
want to add hydraulic blade swiveling to. Since the blade only
descends by gravity I want to add a cylinder to push the blade down
too.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eric


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wrote on 10/8/2018 7:33 PM:
The engine is in a 1990s Honda H5013 tractor. This is a small tractor
with a 13 HP air cooled engine. The tractor sat for 5 years in my
brother's yard without being started or moved .
My son went down to California, near Salinas, and picked it up.
After only a little work, like changing the oil, draining the old gas
from the tank, and putting in a battery the thing started up and ran
pretty well. It burned oil when first started but then this stopped.
Now that it's up here in WA I cleaned the carb real well, and my son
adjusted the valves, were only a little loose, only .001". The thing
starts up easy and runs well but still burns oil intermittently.
When my son adjusted the valves we saw no oil pooling under the
valve cover so I don't think oil is being sucked past the intake valve
stem. But I could be wrong.
I checked the oil level and I don't think it is over filled. I am
checking the oil level according to the dirctions in the manual.
Yesterday I drove it down the hill to my neighbor's house and it
really started smoking. Then as I drove up his driveway the smoking
lessened. The downhill slope and uphill slope were not very steep
slopes.
The smoking is for sure oil smoke, white and thick in this case,
it's not the black smoke you see from an overly rich gas mixture.
Like I said, it's intermittent. I will be driving on a level slope
and the engine will start pumping out smoke for a while and then stop.
Sometimes there is a lot of smoke and sometimes just a little and
sometimes none at all.
Aside from the smoke the tractor is a great little machine, 4
wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, locking rear diff, and is the one I
want to add hydraulic blade swiveling to. Since the blade only
descends by gravity I want to add a cylinder to push the blade down
too.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eric


Burning oil should be blue smoke.

If you are losing oil, you may want to check the oil drain plug to see
if it has the proper washer so that oil won't come out from the drain
plug while the tractor is vibrating.

Try tightening all the nuts and bolts around the engine block to prevent
leaking through the gaskets.

Use thicker oil like 10W-40 may help. 10W-40 is allowed for a wide range
of temperature as indicated on page 27 of the owner's manual.

http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/31752650.pdf






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WGtLZ⚛← ╬ 𝑴𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒚 𝑾𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒂𝒃𝒆 ╬ →⚛BMXF7 wrote on 10/8/2018 8:22 PM:
wrote on 10/8/2018 7:33 PM:
The engine is in a 1990s Honda H5013 tractor. This is a small tractor
with a 13 HP air cooled engine. The tractor sat for 5 years in my
brother's yard without being started or moved .
*** My son went down to California, near Salinas, and picked it up.
After only a little work, like changing the oil, draining the old gas
from the tank, and putting in a battery the thing started up and ran
pretty well. It burned oil when first started but then this stopped.
** Now that it's up here in WA I cleaned the carb real well, and my son
adjusted the valves, were only a little loose, only .001". The thing
starts up easy and runs well but still burns oil intermittently.
**** When my son adjusted the valves we saw no oil pooling under the
valve cover so I don't think oil is being sucked past the intake valve
stem. But I could be wrong.
*** I checked the oil level and I don't think it is over filled. I am
checking the oil level according to the dirctions in the manual.
*** Yesterday I drove it down the hill to my neighbor's house and it
really started smoking. Then as I drove up his driveway the smoking
lessened. The downhill slope and uphill slope were not very steep
slopes.
*** The smoking is for sure oil smoke, white and thick in this case,
it's not the black smoke you see from an overly rich gas mixture.
*** Like I said, it's intermittent. I will be driving on a level slope
and the engine will start pumping out smoke for a while and then stop.
Sometimes there is a lot of smoke and sometimes just a little and
sometimes none at all.
**** Aside from the smoke the tractor is a great little machine, 4
wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, locking rear diff,* and is the one I
want to add hydraulic blade swiveling to. Since the blade only
descends by gravity I want to add a cylinder to push the blade down
too.
** Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eric


Burning oil should be blue smoke.

If you are losing oil, you may want to check the oil drain plug to see
if it has the proper washer so that oil won't come out from the drain
plug while the tractor is vibrating.

Try tightening all the nuts and bolts around the engine block to
prevent leaking through the gaskets.

Use thicker oil like 10W-40 may help. 10W-40 is allowed for a wide
range of temperature as indicated on page 27 of the owner's manual.

http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/31752650.pdf




On page 97 (Troubleshooting)

Excessive oil consumption
** 1.* Improper oil viscosity -----* Use correct viscosity of oil (see
p.27)

** 2.* Oil leak -----* Check drain plug for tightness

** 3. Worn piston ring/cylinder -----* See your authorized Honda dealer.





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On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:33:25 -0700, wrote:

The engine is in a 1990s Honda H5013 tractor. This is a small tractor
with a 13 HP air cooled engine. The tractor sat for 5 years in my
brother's yard without being started or moved .
My son went down to California, near Salinas, and picked it up.
After only a little work, like changing the oil, draining the old gas
from the tank, and putting in a battery the thing started up and ran
pretty well. It burned oil when first started but then this stopped.
Now that it's up here in WA I cleaned the carb real well, and my son
adjusted the valves, were only a little loose, only .001". The thing
starts up easy and runs well but still burns oil intermittently.
When my son adjusted the valves we saw no oil pooling under the
valve cover so I don't think oil is being sucked past the intake valve
stem. But I could be wrong.
I checked the oil level and I don't think it is over filled. I am
checking the oil level according to the dirctions in the manual.
Yesterday I drove it down the hill to my neighbor's house and it
really started smoking. Then as I drove up his driveway the smoking
lessened. The downhill slope and uphill slope were not very steep
slopes.
The smoking is for sure oil smoke, white and thick in this case,
it's not the black smoke you see from an overly rich gas mixture.
Like I said, it's intermittent. I will be driving on a level slope
and the engine will start pumping out smoke for a while and then stop.
Sometimes there is a lot of smoke and sometimes just a little and
sometimes none at all.
Aside from the smoke the tractor is a great little machine, 4
wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, locking rear diff, and is the one I
want to add hydraulic blade swiveling to. Since the blade only
descends by gravity I want to add a cylinder to push the blade down
too.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eric

sticking rings??? Put some MMO in the oil and run some through the
intake - mabee put some seafoam through the intake.
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 20:38:32 -0400, v9Z2Z?? ? ?????? ??????? ? ??VU9Mc
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WGtLZ?? ? ?????? ??????? ? ??BMXF7 wrote on 10/8/2018 8:22 PM:
wrote on 10/8/2018 7:33 PM:
The engine is in a 1990s Honda H5013 tractor. This is a small tractor
with a 13 HP air cooled engine. The tractor sat for 5 years in my
brother's yard without being started or moved .
*** My son went down to California, near Salinas, and picked it up.
After only a little work, like changing the oil, draining the old gas
from the tank, and putting in a battery the thing started up and ran
pretty well. It burned oil when first started but then this stopped.
** Now that it's up here in WA I cleaned the carb real well, and my son
adjusted the valves, were only a little loose, only .001". The thing
starts up easy and runs well but still burns oil intermittently.
**** When my son adjusted the valves we saw no oil pooling under the
valve cover so I don't think oil is being sucked past the intake valve
stem. But I could be wrong.
*** I checked the oil level and I don't think it is over filled. I am
checking the oil level according to the dirctions in the manual.
*** Yesterday I drove it down the hill to my neighbor's house and it
really started smoking. Then as I drove up his driveway the smoking
lessened. The downhill slope and uphill slope were not very steep
slopes.
*** The smoking is for sure oil smoke, white and thick in this case,
it's not the black smoke you see from an overly rich gas mixture.
*** Like I said, it's intermittent. I will be driving on a level slope
and the engine will start pumping out smoke for a while and then stop.
Sometimes there is a lot of smoke and sometimes just a little and
sometimes none at all.
**** Aside from the smoke the tractor is a great little machine, 4
wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, locking rear diff,* and is the one I
want to add hydraulic blade swiveling to. Since the blade only
descends by gravity I want to add a cylinder to push the blade down
too.
** Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eric


Burning oil should be blue smoke.

If you are losing oil, you may want to check the oil drain plug to see
if it has the proper washer so that oil won't come out from the drain
plug while the tractor is vibrating.

Try tightening all the nuts and bolts around the engine block to
prevent leaking through the gaskets.

Use thicker oil like 10W-40 may help. 10W-40 is allowed for a wide
range of temperature as indicated on page 27 of the owner's manual.

http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/31752650.pdf




On page 97 (Troubleshooting)

Excessive oil consumption
** 1.* Improper oil viscosity -----* Use correct viscosity of oil (see
p.27)

** 2.* Oil leak -----* Check drain plug for tightness

** 3. Worn piston ring/cylinder -----* See your authorized Honda dealer.





This tractor sat for several years - I'd definitely try the sticky
ring solution before digging any deaper.


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On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 21:09:39 -0400, Clare Snyder
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:33:25 -0700, wrote:

The engine is in a 1990s Honda H5013 tractor. This is a small tractor
with a 13 HP air cooled engine. The tractor sat for 5 years in my
brother's yard without being started or moved .
My son went down to California, near Salinas, and picked it up.
After only a little work, like changing the oil, draining the old gas
from the tank, and putting in a battery the thing started up and ran
pretty well. It burned oil when first started but then this stopped.
Now that it's up here in WA I cleaned the carb real well, and my son
adjusted the valves, were only a little loose, only .001". The thing
starts up easy and runs well but still burns oil intermittently.
When my son adjusted the valves we saw no oil pooling under the
valve cover so I don't think oil is being sucked past the intake valve
stem. But I could be wrong.
I checked the oil level and I don't think it is over filled. I am
checking the oil level according to the dirctions in the manual.
Yesterday I drove it down the hill to my neighbor's house and it
really started smoking. Then as I drove up his driveway the smoking
lessened. The downhill slope and uphill slope were not very steep
slopes.
The smoking is for sure oil smoke, white and thick in this case,
it's not the black smoke you see from an overly rich gas mixture.
Like I said, it's intermittent. I will be driving on a level slope
and the engine will start pumping out smoke for a while and then stop.
Sometimes there is a lot of smoke and sometimes just a little and
sometimes none at all.
Aside from the smoke the tractor is a great little machine, 4
wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, locking rear diff, and is the one I
want to add hydraulic blade swiveling to. Since the blade only
descends by gravity I want to add a cylinder to push the blade down
too.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eric

sticking rings??? Put some MMO in the oil and run some through the
intake - mabee put some seafoam through the intake.

I put some Seafoam in the oil and gas. I'll try the intake idea too.
Thanks. I'm hoping the engine just needs to run a while with the
Seafoam in it. I was wondering if there was anything else I might have
missed.
Eric
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 20:22:15 -0400, WGtLZ?? ? ?????? ??????? ? ??BMXF7
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wrote on 10/8/2018 7:33 PM:
The engine is in a 1990s Honda H5013 tractor. This is a small tractor
with a 13 HP air cooled engine. The tractor sat for 5 years in my
brother's yard without being started or moved .
My son went down to California, near Salinas, and picked it up.
After only a little work, like changing the oil, draining the old gas
from the tank, and putting in a battery the thing started up and ran
pretty well. It burned oil when first started but then this stopped.
Now that it's up here in WA I cleaned the carb real well, and my son
adjusted the valves, were only a little loose, only .001". The thing
starts up easy and runs well but still burns oil intermittently.
When my son adjusted the valves we saw no oil pooling under the
valve cover so I don't think oil is being sucked past the intake valve
stem. But I could be wrong.
I checked the oil level and I don't think it is over filled. I am
checking the oil level according to the dirctions in the manual.
Yesterday I drove it down the hill to my neighbor's house and it
really started smoking. Then as I drove up his driveway the smoking
lessened. The downhill slope and uphill slope were not very steep
slopes.
The smoking is for sure oil smoke, white and thick in this case,
it's not the black smoke you see from an overly rich gas mixture.
Like I said, it's intermittent. I will be driving on a level slope
and the engine will start pumping out smoke for a while and then stop.
Sometimes there is a lot of smoke and sometimes just a little and
sometimes none at all.
Aside from the smoke the tractor is a great little machine, 4
wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, locking rear diff, and is the one I
want to add hydraulic blade swiveling to. Since the blade only
descends by gravity I want to add a cylinder to push the blade down
too.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eric


Burning oil should be blue smoke.

If you are losing oil, you may want to check the oil drain plug to see
if it has the proper washer so that oil won't come out from the drain
plug while the tractor is vibrating.

Try tightening all the nuts and bolts around the engine block to prevent
leaking through the gaskets.

Use thicker oil like 10W-40 may help. 10W-40 is allowed for a wide range
of temperature as indicated on page 27 of the owner's manual.

http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/31752650.pdf





The reason the smoke looked white is because there was so much smoke
at first. When it dies down it turns blue. If the Seafoam doesn't work
I'll try MMO.
Eric
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