When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?

On May 7, 6:52 pm, "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at
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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?

It's designed for the purpose -- mixes better and has additives
specifically for 2-cycle engines. Primarily, also I believe is the
lack of detergents found in 4-cycle oils.

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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?

2-Cycle is low ash (no pun intended) and engineered to be diluted in
gas.
Engine oil will leave deposits...and these may spark out the exhaust
baffle.
Using it once may not be problematic.

Years ago I had a couple of Saabs, with 2 stroke engines. I'm pretty sure
they recommended either "Saab" 2 stroke oil or straight 30 weight oil as a
substitute



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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I
didn't have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the
difference. Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about
2-stroke oil?

Plug fouling. If you use motor oil instead of 2-stroke oil, you will likely
foul the plug soon.

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Years ago I had a couple of Saabs, with 2 stroke engines. I'm pretty sure
they recommended either "Saab" 2 stroke oil or straight 30 weight oil as a
substitute



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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I
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difference. Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about
2-stroke oil?

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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?



Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

The 2-cycle oil is formulated to burn cleanly; 4-cycle oils are not
formulated with any consideration to how they burn, as they're not
intended to be burned in normal operation.

nate

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wrote:

Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

Quicksilver is a marine designated 2 stroke oil rather than a general
purpose 2 stroke oil. I've used them interchangeably and never
noticed any difference, yet manufacturers identify them separately.
What is the difference??

-Red

Red wrote:

Quicksilver is a marine designated 2 stroke oil rather than a general
purpose 2 stroke oil. I've used them interchangeably and never
noticed any difference, yet manufacturers identify them separately.
What is the difference??

Boat people will pay more?

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I
didn't have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the
difference. Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about
2-stroke oil?


Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

The 2-cycle oil is formulated to burn cleanly; 4-cycle oils are not
formulated with any consideration to how they burn, as they're not
intended to be burned in normal operation.

nate

Bingo! Engine oil is not designed to be burned! That makes more sense then
anything else. Hmm...Question: I have a couple dozen small airplane engines,
displacement .05 to .35. They are two stroke engines, and the fuel is
methonal, optional nitromethane, and 25% oil, mostly castor oil. Castor is
considered best because it does not break down under high temperatures,
whereas the synthetic oil can burn or break down. If you have one lean burn,
you can ruin the engine if you are using synthetic. If you burn 25% castor,
the engines last forever. So, can I use castor oil in the fuel? I'm thinking
not - I think the gasoline engines burn hotter, and I don't know how castor
burns. More important - in the small engines, the castor is ejected from the
exhaust and can make quite a mess. It would not be good to have hot castor
oil dripping out of the exhaust.

theres no difference,go ahead and use motor oil.

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

On May 7, 10:04 pm, wrote:
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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?

Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

My Lawnboy is very particular in using its own oil. A gallon of other
2 cycle oil I was using was clogging it requiring a trip to the shop
every year. A lot cheaper to buy the Lawnboy brand than a $50 to 80
annual service. Regular motor oil does have additives not meant to be
combusted and will leave residues.

Frank

And double the oil added, if using ND30 instead of two cycle oil.
At least, that's what they say for chainsaws.

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"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message
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: Years ago I had a couple of Saabs, with 2 stroke engines. I'm
pretty sure
: they recommended either "Saab" 2 stroke oil or straight 30
weight oil as a
: substitute
:
:
:
: "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com
delete the
: Don't send me any freakin' spam wrote in message
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: When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke
engine, I
: didn't have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to
make up the
: difference. Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is
special about
: 2-stroke oil?
:
:
:

Years ago, I was told that marine engines are water cooled. They
run about 100 degrees cooler, so they can use lower quality oils.
Air cooled runs hotter.

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You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
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"Red" wrote in message
oups.com...
: Quicksilver is a marine designated 2 stroke oil rather than a
general
: purpose 2 stroke oil. I've used them interchangeably and never
: noticed any difference, yet manufacturers identify them
separately.
: What is the difference??
:
: -Red
:

On May 7, 6:52 pm, "Ook" Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at
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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?

For some of the differences and background on the various
classifications see--

http://www.utextension.utk.edu/publi...es/SP268-I.pdf

According to Ook Ook Don't send me any freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin' spam:

Bingo! Engine oil is not designed to be burned! That makes more sense then
anything else. Hmm...Question: I have a couple dozen small airplane engines,
displacement .05 to .35. They are two stroke engines, and the fuel is
methonal, optional nitromethane, and 25% oil, mostly castor oil. Castor is
considered best because it does not break down under high temperatures,
whereas the synthetic oil can burn or break down. If you have one lean burn,
you can ruin the engine if you are using synthetic. If you burn 25% castor,
the engines last forever. So, can I use castor oil in the fuel? I'm thinking
not - I think the gasoline engines burn hotter, and I don't know how castor
burns. More important - in the small engines, the castor is ejected from the
exhaust and can make quite a mess. It would not be good to have hot castor
oil dripping out of the exhaust.

Castor oil was used in full size 2-stroke aircraft engines during WWI.
One of the things that these pilots had to contend with was long flights
during which being continually sprayed in the face with vaporized castor
oil.

Hint: castor oil is used as a laxative.

Location of outhouses near the landing field was pretty important,
but tends not to be mentioned much in modern accounts ;-)

One advantage of castor oil is that it's a plant product,
non-toxic and biodegradable. Wikipedia sez:

Castor oil maintains its fluidity at both extremely high and low
temperatures. Sebacic acid is chemically derived from castor oil.
Castor oil and its derivatives have applications in the manufacturing
of soaps, lubricants, hydraulic and brake fluids, paints, dyes,
coatings, inks, cold resistant plastics, waxes and polishes, nylon,
pharmaceuticals and perfumes. In internal combustion engines, castor
oil is renowned for its ability to lubricate under extreme conditions
and temperatures, such as in air-cooled engines. The lubricants
company Castrol takes its name from castor oil. However, castor oil
tends to form gums in a short time, and its use is therefore
restricted to engines that are regularly rebuilt, such as motorcycle
race engines.

Model airplane engines would be classified as "frequently rebuilt".
I remember cleaning the gunk out of the guts of mine.

You'd probably find that using castor in a lawn mower would work
great for a while, then you have to take the motor apart. And, not
get too far away from a washroom...
--
Chris Lewis,

Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I
didn't have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the
difference. Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about
2-stroke oil?

Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

The 2-cycle oil is formulated to burn cleanly; 4-cycle oils are not
formulated with any consideration to how they burn, as they're not
intended to be burned in normal operation.

nate

Bingo! Engine oil is not designed to be burned! That makes more sense then
anything else. Hmm...Question: I have a couple dozen small airplane engines,
displacement .05 to .35. They are two stroke engines, and the fuel is
methonal, optional nitromethane, and 25% oil, mostly castor oil. Castor is
considered best because it does not break down under high temperatures,
whereas the synthetic oil can burn or break down. If you have one lean burn,
you can ruin the engine if you are using synthetic. If you burn 25% castor,
the engines last forever. So, can I use castor oil in the fuel? I'm thinking
not - I think the gasoline engines burn hotter, and I don't know how castor
burns. More important - in the small engines, the castor is ejected from the
exhaust and can make quite a mess. It would not be good to have hot castor
oil dripping out of the exhaust.


I thought (but don't know) that most of the auto synthetic oils were
castor oil-based.

On May 7, 10:16 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
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freakin' spam at zootal dot com delete the Don't send me any freakin'
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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?

Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

The 2-cycle oil is formulated to burn cleanly; 4-cycle oils are not
formulated with any consideration to how they burn, as they're not
intended to be burned in normal operation.

You haven't seen some of the cars around here. I think they measure
the oil use in MPGs ;-)


nate

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The quicksilver works just fine in string trimmers and any other two -
stroke engine. We've used it exclusively for 8 string trimmers, 5 hedge
trimmers, 12 lawnboys, 7 backpack blowers, 5 handheld blowers, and 2
handheld gas drills now for about 9 years. All at 50:1. No problems, no
clogged exhausts, no thrown rods, no nothing. Just run them.

--
Steve Barker




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When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I
didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the
difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?


Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

In article .com,
---------------------------
Red wrote:
wrote:

Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

Quicksilver is a marine designated 2 stroke oil rather than a general
purpose 2 stroke oil. I've used them interchangeably and never
noticed any difference, yet manufacturers identify them separately.
What is the difference??

-Red


Marine engines are water cooled and do not generally run as hot as
air cooled 2 strokes.


--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

The 2-cycle oil is formulated to burn cleanly; 4-cycle oils are not
formulated with any consideration to how they burn, as they're not
intended to be burned in normal operation.

You haven't seen some of the cars around here. I think they measure
the oil use in MPGs ;-)


Rotary engines are designed to burn oil, about one quart per 1000 miles.
They actually have oil injectors underneath the butterfly, somewhere in the
intake manifold near the engine. And they use regular engine oil. I've seen
a lot of rotary engines, and I've never seen one that had problems from
burning oil. Of course, they are very different beasts then the
reciprocating piston engines. I have, however, seen them die because the oil
injector stopped working. And I've seen a lot die before they finally
learned how to design them to that they didn't blow out after 40,000 miles
:P

On May 7, 9:04 pm, wrote:
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spam wrote:
When mixing some oil for my weed eater, which is a 2-stroke engine, I didn't
have enough oil, so I substituted some engine oil to make up the difference.
Question: Why not just use engine oil? What is special about 2-stroke oil?

Back in the olden days you were told to use non-detergent 30w in your
small 2 strokes and it will work but there are better oils these days
(all the things the other posters have pointed out.)
I bought a gallon of Quicksilver TCW3 for 12 bucks at Sams and that is
probably a lifetime supply in my weedeater and chain saw.

When I was a kid (eons ago) outboards used non-detergent 30W and
"white gas" or unleaded (but not named as such).

Thou ye fat-guts. Thou cheese-filled, bemused
panderly rascal. Ye cackled:

On May 7, 9:04 pm, wrote:

Back in the olden days

When I was a kid

When I were a lad we lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank.
We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a
crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in
week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us
to sleep wi' his belt.

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On May 7, 9:04 pm, wrote:

Back in the olden days

When I was a kid

When I were a lad we lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic
tank.
We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag,
eat a
crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day,
week-in
week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would
thrash us
to sleep wi' his belt.

Apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus - "Four Yorkshiremen".
http://www.phespirit.info/montypytho...rkshiremen.htm


Oh, you had it *easy*...we lived in the lake...

Frosty wrote:
On 12 May 2007 15:31:49 GMT in 24hoursupport.helpdesk §ñühw¤£f
, intended to write something intelligible,
but instead wrote :


Kadaitcha Man pinched out a steaming pile
:


Thou ye fat-guts. Thou cheese-filled, bemused
panderly rascal. Ye cackled:


On May 7, 9:04 pm, wrote:

Back in the olden days

When I was a kid

When I were a lad we lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic

tank.

We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag,

eat a

crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day,

week-in

week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would

thrash us

to sleep wi' his belt.

Apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus - "Four Yorkshiremen".
http://www.phespirit.info/montypytho...rkshiremen.htm


Oh, you had it *easy*...we lived in the lake...


Our lake was frozen!


Lucky you. Our lake was a molten lava lake.

--

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In Hamptonburgh, NY
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On 12 May 2007 15:31:49 GMT in 24hoursupport.helpdesk §ñühw¤£f
, intended to write something intelligible,
but instead wrote :



Kadaitcha Man pinched out a steaming pile
:

Thou ye fat-guts. Thou cheese-filled, bemused
panderly rascal. Ye cackled:

On May 7, 9:04 pm, wrote:

Back in the olden days

When I was a kid

When I were a lad we lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic
tank.
We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag,
eat a
crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day,
week-in
week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would
thrash us
to sleep wi' his belt.

Apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus - "Four Yorkshiremen".
http://www.phespirit.info/montypytho...rkshiremen.htm


Oh, you had it *easy*...we lived in the lake...

Our lake was frozen!

Meat Plow pinched out a steaming pile
:

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Kadaitcha Man pinched out a steaming pile
:

Thou ye fat-guts. Thou cheese-filled, bemused
panderly rascal. Ye cackled:

On May 7, 9:04 pm, wrote:

Back in the olden days

When I was a kid

When I were a lad we lived for three months in a paper bag in a
septic
tank.
We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper
bag,
eat a
crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day,
week-in
week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would
thrash us
to sleep wi' his belt.

Apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus - "Four Yorkshiremen".
http://www.phespirit.info/montypytho...rkshiremen.htm


Oh, you had it *easy*...we lived in the lake...

You did? So did I !

Did Champ eat *you* for breakfast every morning and **** you out at
night?

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Frosty wrote:
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, intended to write something
intelligible,
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Kadaitcha Man pinched out a steaming pile
:


Thou ye fat-guts. Thou cheese-filled, bemused
panderly rascal. Ye cackled:


On May 7, 9:04 pm, wrote:

Back in the olden days

When I was a kid

When I were a lad we lived for three months in a paper bag in a
septic

tank.

We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper
bag,

eat a

crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a
day,

week-in

week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would

thrash us

to sleep wi' his belt.

Apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus - "Four Yorkshiremen".
http://www.phespirit.info/montypytho...rkshiremen.htm


Oh, you had it *easy*...we lived in the lake...


Our lake was frozen!


Lucky you. Our lake was a molten lava lake.

Mine hadda monster innit:

http://www.porthenry.com/phframes/champ.htm