I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i

Ignoramus3828 fired this volley in
:

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.


Find an old DeVilbiss (or other brand) air-powered "airless" sprayer. I
have one for painting. It is a superior sprayer of paint, even of high-
viscosity. I have absolutely NO doubt it would spray motor oil equally
as well.

It looks like a 'paint canister' of the sort for air-spraying, except
with a piston mechanism on top to do the pressurization of the fluid,
rather than relying only on air pressure. Like motorized airless
sprayers, it can produce many hundreds of pounds of fluid pressure,
instead of being limited only to the pressure your air supply can
produce.

And they spray very cleanly. I've painted many tens of thousands of
square feet of farm buildings with one I bought for $50 at a welfare
store.

Lloyd

A little update.

I bought a Harbor Freight "engine cleaning gun" 68290, which siphons
liquid and sprays it with assistance of air.

I hooked it up to a pressurized stainless tank so that oil is pressure
fed into the gun (at a small pressure).

The result seems to be pretty good, a decent amount of oil sprayed
without too much atomization.

i

On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 08:40:48 -0500, Ignoramus9970
wrote:

A little update.

I bought a Harbor Freight "engine cleaning gun" 68290, which siphons
liquid and sprays it with assistance of air.

I use something similar, which I bought from Eastwood a few decades
ago, to spray bulk engine cleaner. It worked great -- back when I had
engines built before they knew how to keep the suckers from leaking
oil.


I hooked it up to a pressurized stainless tank so that oil is pressure
fed into the gun (at a small pressure).

The result seems to be pretty good, a decent amount of oil sprayed
without too much atomization.

i

Ignoramus9970 fired this volley in
:

A little update.

I bought a Harbor Freight "engine cleaning gun" 68290, which siphons
liquid and sprays it with assistance of air.

I have one, too. Good on ya'... but you should try it in the siphon mode
with low pressure. Might even work better... give you freedom from that
pressurized tank.

I know from experience that they'll siphon from tens of feet away.

Lloyd

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i
I had a pressure feed paint gun with a 1 gallon tank that we used to
oil-spray the bottom of our vehicles with used airplane engine oil.
Properly adjusted it laid the oil on without too much "fogging".
Putting it on warm helped

On 3/21/2016 9:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i
I had a pressure feed paint gun with a 1 gallon tank that we used to
oil-spray the bottom of our vehicles with used airplane engine oil.
Properly adjusted it laid the oil on without too much "fogging".
Putting it on warm helped


Why airplane oil?

Tom Gardner on Tue, 22 Mar 2016 02:13:18 -0400 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 3/21/2016 9:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828 wrote:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.
I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.
I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

I had a pressure feed paint gun with a 1 gallon tank that we used to
oil-spray the bottom of our vehicles with used airplane engine oil.
Properly adjusted it laid the oil on without too much "fogging".
Putting it on warm helped


Why airplane oil?

It is what he has?
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 02:13:18 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/21/2016 9:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i
I had a pressure feed paint gun with a 1 gallon tank that we used to
oil-spray the bottom of our vehicles with used airplane engine oil.
Properly adjusted it laid the oil on without too much "fogging".
Putting it on warm helped


Why airplane oil?
Because we had about 30 gallons of it at the hangar from changing the
oil on the planes over the last year or two.

On 3/22/2016 4:10 PM, wrote:

Why airplane oil?
Because we had about 30 gallons of it at the hangar from changing the
oil on the planes over the last year or two.


No "special" qualities?

On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:30:19 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/22/2016 4:10 PM, wrote:

Why airplane oil?
Because we had about 30 gallons of it at the hangar from changing the
oil on the planes over the last year or two.


No "special" qualities?

Nice and thick -15W50 Aeroshell - and relatively clean (changed every
35 hours)

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 02:13:18 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/21/2016 9:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i
I had a pressure feed paint gun with a 1 gallon tank that we used to
oil-spray the bottom of our vehicles with used airplane engine oil.
Properly adjusted it laid the oil on without too much "fogging".
Putting it on warm helped


Why airplane oil?
Because we had about 30 gallons of it at the hangar from changing the
oil on the planes over the last year or two.

How much lead if any leaks into that oil?

On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 18:33:22 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 02:13:18 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/21/2016 9:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i
I had a pressure feed paint gun with a 1 gallon tank that we used to
oil-spray the bottom of our vehicles with used airplane engine oil.
Properly adjusted it laid the oil on without too much "fogging".
Putting it on warm helped


Why airplane oil?
Because we had about 30 gallons of it at the hangar from changing the
oil on the planes over the last year or two.

How much lead if any leaks into that oil?



Definitely measurable - ashless dispursant oil keeps it in suspension
instead of letting it "plate out" as sludge in the crankcase.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 02:13:18 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/21/2016 9:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i
I had a pressure feed paint gun with a 1 gallon tank that we used to
oil-spray the bottom of our vehicles with used airplane engine oil.
Properly adjusted it laid the oil on without too much "fogging".
Putting it on warm helped


Why airplane oil?

LIGHTER, of course, Tawm.

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On 3/23/2016 7:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Why airplane oil?

LIGHTER, of course, Tawm.

--

I figured there was some magic quality because it came from aircraft!

On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:32:56 -0400, Tom Gardner
wrote:

On 3/23/2016 7:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Why airplane oil?

LIGHTER, of course, Tawm.

--

I figured there was some magic quality because it came from aircraft!

Becaause it costs so much more, you hate to take it to recycling at
Walmart.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i

Standard HLVP paint sprayer from Harbor Freight. Just filter the ****
out of the oil before adding it to the paint rig.

Gunner

Ignoramus3828 wrote:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i

Cheap HVLP gun will work for straight filtered oil.

Or filter it, add it to a turkey fryer and toss a few toilet seal rings
(beeswax) in. Then use an undercoat gun and wands to get into all the
spots. The wax will set up and hold the oil in place. Close to the
Bar&Chain oil and wax mix that I and a bunch of others use.

Either way wear a GOOD respirator. Breathing in an oil mist will not
make you healthy !!!!

--
Steve W.

"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Ignoramus3828 wrote:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

Or filter it, add it to a turkey fryer and toss a few toilet seal
rings (beeswax) in.

They are softer than paraffin wax and don't crack as much in cold
weather. I brush melted toilet bowl wax onto the ends of cut logs to
reduce splitting as they dry and shrink.

The MSDS data suggests that Thompson's Water Seal and LPS-3 have had
their active preservatives removed and are now just wax in solvent.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Ignoramus3828 wrote:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

Or filter it, add it to a turkey fryer and toss a few toilet seal
rings (beeswax) in.

They are softer than paraffin wax and don't crack as much in cold
weather. I brush melted toilet bowl wax onto the ends of cut logs to
reduce splitting as they dry and shrink.

The MSDS data suggests that Thompson's Water Seal and LPS-3 have had
their active preservatives removed and are now just wax in solvent.

What were these additives?

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Ignoramus3828 wrote:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

Or filter it, add it to a turkey fryer and toss a few toilet seal
rings (beeswax) in.

They are softer than paraffin wax and don't crack as much in cold
weather. I brush melted toilet bowl wax onto the ends of cut logs
to
reduce splitting as they dry and shrink.

The MSDS data suggests that Thompson's Water Seal and LPS-3 have
had
their active preservatives removed and are now just wax in solvent.

What were these additives?

I don't remember exactly and I'm keeping my computer clean by not
searching while doing my taxes. You could look.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 12:09:07 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Ignoramus3828 wrote:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

Or filter it, add it to a turkey fryer and toss a few toilet seal
rings (beeswax) in.

They are softer than paraffin wax and don't crack as much in cold
weather. I brush melted toilet bowl wax onto the ends of cut logs
to
reduce splitting as they dry and shrink.

The MSDS data suggests that Thompson's Water Seal and LPS-3 have
had
their active preservatives removed and are now just wax in solvent.

What were these additives?

I don't remember exactly and I'm keeping my computer clean by not
searching while doing my taxes. You could look.

This is second-hand info, but I remember from discussions a decade ago
with some woodworkers...

The old formula was just some volatile solvent and some kind of wax --
not common paraffin, according to reports, but some similar
hydrocarbon wax. The new formula is water-based. It still contains
some volatiles, but it doesn't spread well and it doesn't soak in as
well.

The old formula is still sold in some states. For years, when I wanted
a paint with high VOC, I drove from NJ over to PA and bought it there.
That's how I got my last (current) can of Thompson's Water Seal,
around 5 years ago.

If you're in a state where you can still buy it, the can looks the
same but the original formula says of the VOCs, "600 g/L." The newer
stuff is much less -- something like 1/.3 as much. It's also yellowish
and thicker than the old water-clear formula.

I helped my neighbor paint our dividing fence with the new stuff. It's
OK, but it's a little yucky and tacky.

--
Ed Huntress

On 3/22/2016 11:40 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Steve W." wrote in message
...
Ignoramus3828 wrote:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

Or filter it, add it to a turkey fryer and toss a few toilet seal
rings (beeswax) in.

They are softer than paraffin wax and don't crack as much in cold
weather. I brush melted toilet bowl wax onto the ends of cut logs to
reduce splitting as they dry and shrink.

The MSDS data suggests that Thompson's Water Seal and LPS-3 have had
their active preservatives removed and are now just wax in solvent.

What were these additives?


Airplane oil

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i
There is a type of atomizer that forces air out of a slot cut into a
hollow sphere. The oil is then pumped so that it flows over the sphere
and the slot. This allows the use of unfiltered oil.
Eric

On 22/03/16 16:17, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Thanks

i
There is a type of atomizer that forces air out of a slot cut into a
hollow sphere. The oil is then pumped so that it flows over the sphere
and the slot. This allows the use of unfiltered oil.
Eric
IIRC you're talking about a Babington burner

Am Dienstag, 22. März 2016 02:02:30 UTC+1 schrieb Ignoramus3828:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I've done this before. I used an empty carbon dioxide fire extinguisher. I soldered a garden sprayer nozzle into the output tube and a Schrader valve into a hole in the brass neck. Unscrew the whole top, fill to about 2/3 with oil and then reassemble and charge with air to 8 or 10 bar using a compressor. It works well. I might have a picture of it somewhere.

Chris

Christopher Tidy wrote:
Am Dienstag, 22. M?rz 2016 02:02:30 UTC+1 schrieb Ignoramus3828:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I've done this before. I used an empty carbon dioxide fire extinguisher. I soldered a garden sprayer nozzle into the output tube and a Schrader valve into a hole in the brass neck. Unscrew the whole top, fill to about 2/3 with oil and then reassemble and charge with air to 8 or 10 bar using a compressor. It works well. I might have a picture of it somewhere.

That would be fun if somebody used it to put out a fire.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 16:41:23 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Christopher Tidy wrote:
Am Dienstag, 22. M?rz 2016 02:02:30 UTC+1 schrieb Ignoramus3828:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I've done this before. I used an empty carbon dioxide fire extinguisher. I soldered a garden sprayer nozzle into the output tube and a Schrader valve into a hole in the brass neck. Unscrew the whole top, fill to about 2/3 with oil and then reassemble and charge with air to 8 or 10 bar using a compressor. It works well. I might have a picture of it somewhere.

That would be fun if somebody used it to put out a fire.

I have one done that way, that the grand kids used as a Super Soaker
in the summer time.

Gunner

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 16:41:23 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Christopher Tidy wrote:
Am Dienstag, 22. M?rz 2016 02:02:30 UTC+1 schrieb Ignoramus3828:
I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I've done this before. I used an empty carbon dioxide fire extinguisher. I soldered a garden sprayer nozzle into the output tube and a Schrader valve into a hole in the brass neck. Unscrew the whole top, fill to about 2/3 with oil and then reassemble and charge with air to 8 or 10 bar using a compressor. It works well. I might have a picture of it somewhere.

That would be fun if somebody used it to put out a fire.

I have one done that way, that the grand kids used as a Super Soaker
in the summer time.

I've got a small throw away ABC powder extinguisher that's creeping to the
low side of green on the pressure guage. Tryin to think of fun re-uses for
it once I finally drain the thing for practice and get a new one.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:21:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!
Rubberized undercoating guarantees the vehicle WILL rust as soon as
ithe rubber film is damaged - and it WILL be damaged.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:37:59 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:21:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!
Rubberized undercoating guarantees the vehicle WILL rust as soon as
ithe rubber film is damaged - and it WILL be damaged.

So if the protectant is damaged, it will rust? Who would have ever
guessed that? thud

So, what do you like? Do you prefer cathodic protection? Blue
glitter wands? What?

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 21:13:59 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:37:59 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:21:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!
Rubberized undercoating guarantees the vehicle WILL rust as soon as
ithe rubber film is damaged - and it WILL be damaged.

So if the protectant is damaged, it will rust? Who would have ever
guessed that? thud



So, what do you like? Do you prefer cathodic protection? Blue
glitter wands? What?
I much prefer a "self healing" protection - like a waxy oil. A mix a
friend of mine uses is a mix of a vegetable oil, beeswax and lanolin.-
applied warm.

The old Waxoyl product worked pretty good. Krown rustproofing is good.
So is RustChek

My 20 year old Ford is virtually rust free - treated with RustChek

As far as the cathodic protection, what you are buying is an insurance
policy and a little box of snake oil.

A friend's 2007 GMC pickup has had aver $5000 worth of bodywork done
under the rust protection warranty. His car, which also has one, has
had over $3000 worth of rust repair done (I think it's a 2005 Chev)

My 2002 Taurus, treated with Waxoyl from new and Krowned twice, has
has no rust repair, and has no rust showing and my 96 Ranger has had
one tiny spot repaired on the left rear fender - a spot the size of a
quarter.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 00:34:59 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 21:13:59 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:37:59 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:21:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!
Rubberized undercoating guarantees the vehicle WILL rust as soon as
ithe rubber film is damaged - and it WILL be damaged.

So if the protectant is damaged, it will rust? Who would have ever
guessed that? thud



So, what do you like? Do you prefer cathodic protection? Blue
glitter wands? What?
I much prefer a "self healing" protection - like a waxy oil. A mix a
friend of mine uses is a mix of a vegetable oil, beeswax and lanolin.-
applied warm.

The old Waxoyl product worked pretty good. Krown rustproofing is good.
So is RustChek

My 20 year old Ford is virtually rust free - treated with RustChek

Oregon uses crushed clay roof tiles and sand instead of salt, at least
this far down. My '07 Tundra has no rust or salt corrosion, either.


As far as the cathodic protection, what you are buying is an insurance
policy and a little box of snake oil.

Pricy little box.


A friend's 2007 GMC pickup has had aver $5000 worth of bodywork done
under the rust protection warranty. His car, which also has one, has
had over $3000 worth of rust repair done (I think it's a 2005 Chev)

Having grown up in sunny SoCal (+ 1.5 years in Aridzona), I know
nothing about rust except what I've seen and read. What do those
insurance policies cost?


My 2002 Taurus, treated with Waxoyl from new and Krowned twice, has
has no rust repair, and has no rust showing and my 96 Ranger has had
one tiny spot repaired on the left rear fender - a spot the size of a
quarter.

Since you have to reapply oils and waxes regularly, why wouldn't it be
cheaper to find and repair the little nicks in the rubberized
undercoating at the same schedule?

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:37:59 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:21:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!
Rubberized undercoating guarantees the vehicle WILL rust as soon as
ithe rubber film is damaged - and it WILL be damaged.

True indeed.

Gunner, who grew up in Michigan, and had more than one nice vehicle
rust away, long long before it was worn out.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 04:29:19 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:37:59 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:21:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!
Rubberized undercoating guarantees the vehicle WILL rust as soon as
ithe rubber film is damaged - and it WILL be damaged.

Are the installers cleaning and drying the vehicles properly first?
I know it's best to have it done fresh from the factory, while it's
still pristine.


True indeed.

Gunner, who grew up in Michigan, and had more than one nice vehicle
rust away, long long before it was worn out.

Thinking about it, I can't see how the pressure-washer-like spray from
the tires doesn't wipe every bit off the undercarriage in minutes flat
during rains. I'd think snow was easier on it, but I don't drive in
the stuff here.

The bottom 8" of body/bedsides on my Tundra is undercoated (under the
paint) and none of it is chipped/rusted/damaged after 8+ years.

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 08:36:58 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

ithe rubber film is damaged - and it WILL be damaged.

Are the installers cleaning and drying the vehicles properly first?
I know it's best to have it done fresh from the factory, while it's
still pristine.


The crap was installed new at the factory on VWs, and on new cars by
the thousands by the likes of Ziebart - with used vehicles steam
cleaned and dried - and they ALL rusted.

When the film is damaged and moisture gets in, the rust travels like
ringworm under the membrane, eating the steel like cancer.
True indeed.

Gunner, who grew up in Michigan, and had more than one nice vehicle
rust away, long long before it was worn out.

Thinking about it, I can't see how the pressure-washer-like spray from
the tires doesn't wipe every bit off the undercarriage in minutes flat
during rains. I'd think snow was easier on it, but I don't drive in
the stuff here.

The important parts are tha parts you don't see and that the blast
cannot reach. The oil soaks into any existing rust, and penetrates
seams and soaks "dirt traps" with oil instead of them being soaked
with salty water that stays there causing rust. The oil on the inner
panels of doors ets also stays, preventing rust from starting on the
inside unfinished and unsealed areas of the body.

The bottom 8" of body/bedsides on my Tundra is undercoated (under the
paint) and none of it is chipped/rusted/damaged after 8+ years.
Toyota's "stone gusrd" is pretty tough stuff. A lot of the
aftermarket "rocker-guard" used over the last 30 years was terrible
stuff. So was a lot of the original equipment stuff applied at the
factory on GM, Ford, Chrysler, and other brands.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 08:36:58 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 04:29:19 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:37:59 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:21:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!
Rubberized undercoating guarantees the vehicle WILL rust as soon as
ithe rubber film is damaged - and it WILL be damaged.

Are the installers cleaning and drying the vehicles properly first?
I know it's best to have it done fresh from the factory, while it's
still pristine.


True indeed.

Gunner, who grew up in Michigan, and had more than one nice vehicle
rust away, long long before it was worn out.

Thinking about it, I can't see how the pressure-washer-like spray from
the tires doesn't wipe every bit off the undercarriage in minutes flat
during rains. I'd think snow was easier on it, but I don't drive in
the stuff here.

The bottom 8" of body/bedsides on my Tundra is undercoated (under the
paint) and none of it is chipped/rusted/damaged after 8+ years.

Its not the wet...its the salt that they use to melt the ice on the
roads back there. Hell...even here on the Left coast...vehicles that
are used on the beach on the Pacific Ocean dont get that bad for
decades. Takes 25+ yrs to do that to boat trailers constantly soaked
in the ocean. Ive not seen a rusted out vehicle in 40 yrs that didnt
come from the upper midwest...or was made in the 1930s or before.

Thats one of the reasons I moved out of there (among others). Its
also one of the reasons Ive got little respect for American car
makers. It wouldnt cost all that much more to use stainless steels for
areas that are subject to that corrosive slime. Its also one of the
reasons that they use so much plastic..its cheap, doesnt rust and it
provides very little protection to modern vehicles in crashes..but
does make the vehicles lighter. Much much lighter..hence better gas
mileage.

On 2016-03-23, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

That stuff does not stick to rust. Oil does stick to rust.

Rust continues under any coating. Rust does not continue under oil.

Undercoatings are hard to repair. Oil film is easy to repair.



Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!


I am not a lawyer and I do not provide legal advise.

I just want my trucks not to rust from the bottom.

i

On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:28:30 -0500, Ignoramus9970
wrote:

On 2016-03-23, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:02:25 -0500, Ignoramus3828
wrote:

I need to spray used oil on a number of truck frames etc.

I would like to know what is a good solution, preferably compressor
driven, that would make a good spray pattern and preferably not too
much overspray.

I am not interested in opinions about advantages and disadvantages of
used oil spraying, I just want to know how to spray it.

Besides it probably being illegal in Illinoise and salt/water/dust
would likely quickly erase it from the frame, MOST people use a
rubberized undercoating for frames and underbodies, Ig. Why not
recycle the oil and steamclean + undercoat your trucks, for a
once-in-a-lifetime fix?

That stuff does not stick to rust. Oil does stick to rust.

Rust continues under any coating. Rust does not continue under oil.

Undercoatings are hard to repair. Oil film is easy to repair.



Otherwise, what about using an existing aerator spray tip and
adjusting the air pressure to control the overspray? Olive oil can be
sprayed with a hand-pump and regular paint spray can nozzle. Grab a
magnifying glass and look at pressure washer or paint gun tips for
clues into spray containment. It's possible that an HVLP paint
sprayer might work, so you might give that a try, too.
http://tinyurl.com/3muqz79


I dislike the oil spray concept from an eco standpoint, and I'm
surprised it isn't illegal. Where's the freakin' EPA now? Watch them
fine a person $50k for leaking a quart of oil onto the ground, but
they let 1,000,000 people leak oil onto the street and flow into lakes
and sewer systems? Go figure!


I am not a lawyer and I do not provide legal advise.

I just want my trucks not to rust from the bottom.

i

Back when I was flipping sports cars for a fast buck, in the late
'60s, a mechanic friend recommended that I apply fresh undercoating
when I was selling a car. He said it would hold things in place when
the floor pan rusted through. g

--
Ed Huntress