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On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485
wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . -- Snag |
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On 9/24/2015 10:47 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . Actually, trikes or motorcycles with sidecars, are considered.... motorcycles. At least in California. They only require a class C license. Other states may vary. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/motorcycles/motorcycles Jon |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:47:17 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . In NJ, 3-wheelers are registered as motorcycles. A helmet is technically required but there's a bill in the legislature to eliminate that for enclosed 3-wheelers. I don't know the details of that one. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 2015-09-24, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:47:17 -0500, "Terry Coombs" wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . In NJ, 3-wheelers are registered as motorcycles. A helmet is technically required but there's a bill in the legislature to eliminate that for enclosed 3-wheelers. I don't know the details of that one. That one is a car conversion, that had had its engine, conveniently, in the back. i |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:47:09 -0500, Ignoramus3021
wrote: On 2015-09-24, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:47:17 -0500, "Terry Coombs" wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . In NJ, 3-wheelers are registered as motorcycles. A helmet is technically required but there's a bill in the legislature to eliminate that for enclosed 3-wheelers. I don't know the details of that one. That one is a car conversion, that had had its engine, conveniently, in the back. i It still would be registered as a motorcycle in NJ. We have quite a few 3-wheelers of various types. I even saw one of Morgan's retro SS models a month ago. It's a replica of their mid-1930s model. I think it sells for around $40,000. -- Ed Huntress |
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Ignoramus3021 wrote:
On 2015-09-24, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:47:17 -0500, "Terry Coombs" wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . In NJ, 3-wheelers are registered as motorcycles. A helmet is technically required but there's a bill in the legislature to eliminate that for enclosed 3-wheelers. I don't know the details of that one. That one is a car conversion, that had had its engine, conveniently, in the back. i Volkswagon (original) bugs are popular for a trike build . Some years are more desirable , because the differential can be flipped over and the motor mounted in front of the transaxle . Makes for much better weight distribution , and keeps the front wheel on the ground where it belongs . -- Snag |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:47:17 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . True indeed. |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 23:43:10 +1000, Jon Anderson
wrote: On 9/24/2015 10:47 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . Actually, trikes or motorcycles with sidecars, are considered.... motorcycles. At least in California. They only require a class C license. Other states may vary. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/motorcycles/motorcycles Jon Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. I dont recall how it was considered way back when..when I was a deputy. But things have changed considerably since then here in Cali. Gunner |
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485
wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg In Canada it would be a car - if anything. A motorcycle has no enclosing bodywork, and both driver and passenger(s) must sit astride the seat - no benches or buckets. No idea what they would call it in Russia or wherever that thing was. |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 01:58:02 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner Not quite true. The Bombardier 3 wheel roadster is a motorcycle, as is a wide-glyde Harly conversion, or the Honda Gide Wing 3 wheel conversions, and the Harley Serv-a-car. If it has bodywork it is a car. If it has "bench"seats it is a car - - - |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner In NY anything with 3 wheels or less is a bike. The only exceptions are 4 wheeled ATVs which are technically not allowed on the roads anyway. Biggest PIA is that because of that you have to wear a helmet even in a fully enclosed trike. So if you build a Tri-Magnum or similar vehicle you need headroom for your lid. -- Steve W. |
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On 09/24/2015 11:28 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 23:43:10 +1000, Jon Anderson .... Actually, trikes or motorcycles with sidecars, are considered.... motorcycles. At least in California. They only require a class C license. Other states may vary. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/motorcycles/motorcycles .... Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. .... Neither of the above seems the least surprising...the former start out as cycles; both of the latter were intially automobiles and so had titles as such prior to the conversions. A three-legged dog is still a dog despite the amputation. Or, in obverse a story (possibly apocryphal) attributed to Lincoln when asked the riddle "How many legs would a sheep have if I called the tail a leg?" he answered "Only four, for calling a tail a leg doesn't make it so." (Lincoln supposedly told the story in conjunction with the difficulty of simply pronouncing the end of slavery in that declaring freedom wasn't the same thing as providing it.) -- |
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On 9/25/2015 2:28 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. Perhaps one has the option to register as an automobile, maybe some advantage in insurance rates? Jon |
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Gunner sed:
Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. And one wonders a bit at the helmet 'requirement'. If it's a car, then what's the difference between that and a convertible in terms of "head protection"? Lloyd |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:15:48 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:55:43 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 01:58:02 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner Not quite true. The Bombardier 3 wheel roadster is a motorcycle, as is a wide-glyde Harly conversion, or the Honda Gide Wing 3 wheel conversions, and the Harley Serv-a-car. If it has bodywork it is a car. If it has "bench"seats it is a car - - - Is that regional or in Canada? That is federal. However drivers licencing is provincial. 3wheel motorcycles require a separate licence up here in Ontario too. There is limited speed MC, (ML)MC, (M) and 3 wheel MC (MM) licence - and none are driveable on a standard automotive licence. What was a Moped is now a limited speed MC, and can no longer be driven on a standard driver's licence. )scooter or moped up to 70 KPH and 50cc Someone needs to check their DMV websites and see what it has to say..state by state and province by province https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-wheeler https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ots/mms...s/default.aspx http://motorbikewriter.com/trikes-re...ecial-licence/ http://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/gettrike.html A quick search shows its still a mishmash...but leaning more these days towards a special endorsement for trikes/sidecars |
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I want to see the guy the front seat fits! Big guy or long armed.
Motolimo Martin On 9/23/2015 10:51 PM, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:47:17 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner That may be true , but you're required to wear the same protective gear as a motorcycle rider in most places . AFAIK, in most states trikes get registered as motorcycles -- you need four wheels to be a "car". But that varies by jurisdiction. So ask your local DMV/whatever. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:07:19 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner In NY anything with 3 wheels or less is a bike. The only exceptions are 4 wheeled ATVs which are technically not allowed on the roads anyway. So would a Morgan 3 wheeler be considered a motorcycle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Motor_Company Biggest PIA is that because of that you have to wear a helmet even in a fully enclosed trike. So if you build a Tri-Magnum or similar vehicle you need headroom for your lid. Ouch! |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:15:48 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:55:43 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 01:58:02 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner Not quite true. The Bombardier 3 wheel roadster is a motorcycle, as is a wide-glyde Harly conversion, or the Honda Gide Wing 3 wheel conversions, and the Harley Serv-a-car. If it has bodywork it is a car. If it has "bench"seats it is a car - - - Is that regional or in Canada? That is federal. However drivers licencing is provincial. 3wheel motorcycles require a separate licence up here in Ontario too. There is limited speed MC, (ML)MC, (M) and 3 wheel MC (MM) licence - and none are driveable on a standard automotive licence. What was a Moped is now a limited speed MC, and can no longer be driven on a standard driver's licence. )scooter or moped up to 70 KPH and 50cc Someone needs to check their DMV websites and see what it has to say..state by state and province by province https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-wheeler https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ots/mms...s/default.aspx http://motorbikewriter.com/trikes-re...ecial-licence/ http://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/gettrike.html A quick search shows its still a mishmash...but leaning more these days towards a special endorsement for trikes/sidecars It's a real mess in the US. The only real standards are the commercial licenses, that's because those are now controlled at the federal level. https://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/type...vers-licenses/ covers it pretty well. They do skip a lot of the endorsements though. It was a big thing in the RV community a while ago. Folks going into Florida were being pulled over because they were driving out of class. Seems that those fancy new trucks that offered "best towing in class" had a GVW over 26,000 pounds. Which puts them into the CDL weight range. The drivers were being pulled in, the vehicle rating checked and if you were driving one that had a GVW over 26K you got to pay a fine PLUS you had to find someone who could legally drive it !! -- Steve W. |
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On 25-Sep-15 2:32 AM, dpb wrote:
On 09/24/2015 11:28 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: snipped Neither of the above seems the least surprising...the former start out as cycles; both of the latter were intially automobiles and so had titles as such prior to the conversions. A three-legged dog is still a dog despite the amputation. ^^^ I got a laugh out of that purrfect response! |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:07:19 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner In NY anything with 3 wheels or less is a bike. The only exceptions are 4 wheeled ATVs which are technically not allowed on the roads anyway. So would a Morgan 3 wheeler be considered a motorcycle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Motor_Company Biggest PIA is that because of that you have to wear a helmet even in a fully enclosed trike. So if you build a Tri-Magnum or similar vehicle you need headroom for your lid. Ouch! The Morgan 3 wheeler currently is a bike in NY. There is some legislation in the system to change this rule but it hasn't moved since May of this year. It was prompted because of the Elio. (( from an article about the Elio - The company has had to a hire a lobbyist to pass laws in the many states where its legal status as a motorcycle would require owners to wear a helmet or have a motorcycle license. So far, says Elio, the company has changed laws in about 12 states, and has been successful in all but one state where it’s tried. (Arizona's governor vetoed a bill, because of a rider involving the legalization of beer bikes)) There is another situation with these vehicles (and 3 wheelers in general) If you do not have a motorcycle license in NY and decide to get one. DON'T use anything with three wheels to get it. This is because, if you show up at the road test with a three wheeled bike, you will get a restriction on the license saying that you can ONLY operate a three wheeled vehicle, not a two wheeled bike. OH and don't show up on a moped or scooter that cannot exceed the speed limit, NY also has restrictions regarding the maximum speed of the vehicle! -- Steve W. |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:34:20 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:07:19 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:51:04 -0500, Ignoramus22485 wrote: http://gentlemanstory.net/wp-content...hudo-udo-3.jpg Its a car of course. Motorcycles only have (2) wheels. Even the 3 wheelers in the US are registered as "cars" Gunner In NY anything with 3 wheels or less is a bike. The only exceptions are 4 wheeled ATVs which are technically not allowed on the roads anyway. So would a Morgan 3 wheeler be considered a motorcycle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Motor_Company It is in NJ. Biggest PIA is that because of that you have to wear a helmet even in a fully enclosed trike. So if you build a Tri-Magnum or similar vehicle you need headroom for your lid. Ouch! |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 15:10:15 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Gunner sed: Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. And one wonders a bit at the helmet 'requirement'. If it's a car, then what's the difference between that and a convertible in terms of "head protection"? All new cars have some kind of rollbar protection built into their windshield members since 1971, but it was increased as of the 2010 model year. I remember hearing something of this in the early '80s. http://tinyurl.com/oacfzec or http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...tandards-fixed It's probably something like "If there is no seatbelt, you must wear a helmet." -- I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues. --Duke Ellington |
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:28:45 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. I dont recall how it was considered way back when..when I was a deputy. But things have changed considerably since then here in Cali. Gunner Here in PA it would be a motorcycle. 3 wheels, hand throttle, and handle bars for sterring. thus a motorcycle. The Can-Am Spyder is a motorcycle in most states I beleive. Remove 333 to reply. Randy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 04:40:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 15:10:15 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Gunner sed: Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. And one wonders a bit at the helmet 'requirement'. If it's a car, then what's the difference between that and a convertible in terms of "head protection"? All new cars have some kind of rollbar protection built into their windshield members since 1971, but it was increased as of the 2010 model year. I remember hearing something of this in the early '80s. http://tinyurl.com/oacfzec or http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...tandards-fixed It's probably something like "If there is no seatbelt, you must wear a helmet." In Canada - specifically Ontario, Specifically 3 wheelers, if you sit astride it is a motorcycle. If you sit ON, it is a car - and the only Delta 3 wheeled motorcycle legal for the road is the CanAm Spider roadster. The Morgan, to be legal, needs to be a "vintage" morgan, ans none of the "new" ones have been certified for both safety and emissions so can not be legally imprted, plated, or driven. - as a "car" |
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:10:54 -0400, Randy333
wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:28:45 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. I dont recall how it was considered way back when..when I was a deputy. But things have changed considerably since then here in Cali. Gunner Here in PA it would be a motorcycle. 3 wheels, hand throttle, and handle bars for sterring. thus a motorcycle. The Can-Am Spyder is a motorcycle in most states I beleive. Remove 333 to reply. Randy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus That is part of the spec in Ontario too. Sit astride, hand throttle, handlebar steering - a few other qualifications that put the Morgan into the "automobile" class - along with that" russian?" abortion in the first post. |
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Jon Anderson wrote:
On 9/25/2015 2:28 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. Perhaps one has the option to register as an automobile, maybe some advantage in insurance rates? Jon I would bet it is more along the lines of "which vehicle do I have legal paperwork for" -- Steve W. |
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I heard it is treated as a car from the front two wheels in TX. Doesn't
need a motorcycle license. Check before you believe it, sometimes you hear crap in your ears. Martin On 9/25/2015 8:10 AM, Randy333 wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:28:45 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Humm..thats kinda iffy. Buddy has a trike built from a Corvair..another one has one built from a VW. Both are considered cars..and yah..Class C (standard automobile license) rather than an M (motorcycle) endorsement. Both are registered as cars. I dont recall how it was considered way back when..when I was a deputy. But things have changed considerably since then here in Cali. Gunner Here in PA it would be a motorcycle. 3 wheels, hand throttle, and handle bars for sterring. thus a motorcycle. The Can-Am Spyder is a motorcycle in most states I beleive. Remove 333 to reply. Randy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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