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I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:42:20 -0500, Ignoramus22662
wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...ctrical-Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. It's at times like that, one starts to appreciate OSHA, isn't it? g Just curious, why were you working there today? -- Let no man imagine that he has no influence. Whoever he may be, and wherever he may be placed, the man who thinks becomes a light and a power. -- Henry George |
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On 2014-08-29, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:42:20 -0500, Ignoramus22662 wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...ctrical-Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. It's at times like that, one starts to appreciate OSHA, isn't it? g Yes, exactly. This vault is clearly well made with good, expensive components, but without the modern approach to electrical safety. i |
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On 8/28/2014 7:33 PM, Ignoramus22662 wrote:
On 2014-08-29, Larry Jaques wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:42:20 -0500, Ignoramus22662 wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...ctrical-Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. It's at times like that, one starts to appreciate OSHA, isn't it? g Yes, exactly. This vault is clearly well made with good, expensive components, but without the modern approach to electrical safety. i the rigid conduit looks quite modern. The 3-phase switches would go well in a movie set with an electric chair scene. Paul |
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On 2014-08-29, Paul Drahn wrote:
the rigid conduit looks quite modern. But the cable inside looks very old, insulation has all hardened and cracks, like very old asphalt. The 3-phase switches would go well in a movie set with an electric chair scene. They looked so polished and beautiful. i |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:33:38 -0500, Ignoramus22662
wrote: On 2014-08-29, Larry Jaques wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:42:20 -0500, Ignoramus22662 wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...ctrical-Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. It's at times like that, one starts to appreciate OSHA, isn't it? g Yes, exactly. This vault is clearly well made with good, expensive components, but without the modern approach to electrical safety. That one went PSA on ya, did it, Ig? -- Let no man imagine that he has no influence. Whoever he may be, and wherever he may be placed, the man who thinks becomes a light and a power. -- Henry George |
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Ignoramus22662 wrote:
http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...al-Electrical- Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Do you know what the voltages were on the busbars, etc? We had some stuff at Washington University that looked like they dated to the 1904 World's Fair, which they inherited some of the buildings from. That live-front switchboard stuff ran 1040 V. Jon |
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On 2014-08-29, Jon Elson wrote:
Ignoramus22662 wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...al-Electrical- Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Do you know what the voltages were on the busbars, etc? 240 volts We had some stuff at Washington University that looked like they dated to the 1904 World's Fair, which they inherited some of the buildings from. That live-front switchboard stuff ran 1040 V. That would be a lot scarier than 240, as it can jump farther through the air. i |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:58:45 -0500, Ignoramus22662
wrote: On 2014-08-29, Jon Elson wrote: Ignoramus22662 wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...al-Electrical- Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Do you know what the voltages were on the busbars, etc? 240 volts We had some stuff at Washington University that looked like they dated to the 1904 World's Fair, which they inherited some of the buildings from. That live-front switchboard stuff ran 1040 V. That would be a lot scarier than 240, as it can jump farther through the air. i At 240 Volts it's more of a shock hazzard than a kill you dead hazzard if you touch it. Now if you would short it out, it looks to be enough current there to cause quite a large arc flash, that could lead to some nasty burns or eye damage. Remove 333 to reply. Randy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Ignoramus22662 fired this volley in
: I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Employee -- "Boss, I might git kilt, if'n I touched one o' them bus bars!" Boss -- "Then don't touch 'em." It was a whole different philosophy -- one about people's being responsible for their own actions. Yeah, it was a more dangerous existance, but at least we didn't have 'govenanny' breathing down our shirt collars all day. I love the fact that those rivetted bus bars 'floated' on rollers to manage expansion with heating from higher current! LLoyd |
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On 2014-08-29, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus22662 fired this volley in : I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Employee -- "Boss, I might git kilt, if'n I touched one o' them bus bars!" Boss -- "Then don't touch 'em." It was a whole different philosophy -- one about people's being responsible for their own actions. Yeah, it was a more dangerous existance, but at least we didn't have 'govenanny' breathing down our shirt collars all day. I love the fact that those rivetted bus bars 'floated' on rollers to manage expansion with heating from higher current! Lloyd, while I loved the antique appearance and the stimulating apprehension of imminent danger, I would prefer modern equipment any time, thank you. People make mistakes from time to time acd one mistake should not cause death. i |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:00:09 -0500, Ignoramus21834
wrote: On 2014-08-29, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Ignoramus22662 fired this volley in : I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Employee -- "Boss, I might git kilt, if'n I touched one o' them bus bars!" Boss -- "Then don't touch 'em." It was a whole different philosophy -- one about people's being responsible for their own actions. Yeah, it was a more dangerous existance, but at least we didn't have 'govenanny' breathing down our shirt collars all day. I love the fact that those rivetted bus bars 'floated' on rollers to manage expansion with heating from higher current! Lloyd, while I loved the antique appearance and the stimulating apprehension of imminent danger, I would prefer modern equipment any time, thank you. People make mistakes from time to time acd one mistake should not cause death. i That is so true. Sometimes safety requirements may seem over the top but it is so easy to stumble against something or to misread the bottle or make some other mistake. Someone dying or being suffering severe injuries shouldn't be the the price of a simple mistake. Eric |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:00:09 -0500, Ignoramus21834 wrote:
On 2014-08-29, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Ignoramus22662 fired this volley in : I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Employee -- "Boss, I might git kilt, if'n I touched one o' them bus bars!" Boss -- "Then don't touch 'em." It was a whole different philosophy -- one about people's being responsible for their own actions. Yeah, it was a more dangerous existance, but at least we didn't have 'govenanny' breathing down our shirt collars all day. I love the fact that those rivetted bus bars 'floated' on rollers to manage expansion with heating from higher current! Lloyd, while I loved the antique appearance and the stimulating apprehension of imminent danger, I would prefer modern equipment any time, thank you. People make mistakes from time to time acd one mistake should not cause death. i Lloyd mistakes lucking out in who he was born to, and when, and where, with virtue. It's a much better world, of course, when people should be doomed to working highly dangerous jobs just because they have the wrong parents. And of course, it's a much better world if, when they die, their children and dependents all starve. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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On 2014-08-29, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:00:09 -0500, Ignoramus21834 wrote: On 2014-08-29, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Ignoramus22662 fired this volley in : I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Employee -- "Boss, I might git kilt, if'n I touched one o' them bus bars!" Boss -- "Then don't touch 'em." It was a whole different philosophy -- one about people's being responsible for their own actions. Yeah, it was a more dangerous existance, but at least we didn't have 'govenanny' breathing down our shirt collars all day. I love the fact that those rivetted bus bars 'floated' on rollers to manage expansion with heating from higher current! Lloyd, while I loved the antique appearance and the stimulating apprehension of imminent danger, I would prefer modern equipment any time, thank you. People make mistakes from time to time acd one mistake should not cause death. i Lloyd mistakes lucking out in who he was born to, and when, and where, with virtue. It's a much better world, of course, when people should be doomed to working highly dangerous jobs just because they have the wrong parents. And of course, it's a much better world if, when they die, their children and dependents all starve. This is a separate issue. I am very happy as to who I was born to and how my life turned out. And yet, I am glad that I live in a less dangerous world compared to when this vault was installed. i |
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Ignoramus21834 wrote: .... I am glad that I live in a less dangerous world compared to when this vault was installed. Two words: Ebola Pandemic |
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Hey Iggy,
What building was this in, and do you know for what purpose? The switch gear appears to have some carbon-to-carbon contactors, and some copper-to-carbon. The buss overhead is reminiscent in structure and size with telephone central exchange equipment. Were there any MG sets or motors or BBBBIIIIIGGGGGG batteries nearby? Take care. Brian Lawson. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:42:20 -0500, Ignoramus22662 wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...ctrical-Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. |
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On 8/29/2014 3:58 PM, Brian Lawson wrote:
Hey Iggy, What building was this in, and do you know for what purpose? The switch gear appears to have some carbon-to-carbon contactors, and some copper-to-carbon. The buss overhead is reminiscent in structure and size with telephone central exchange equipment. Were there any MG sets or motors or BBBBIIIIIGGGGGG batteries nearby? Take care. Brian Lawson. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:42:20 -0500, Ignoramus22662 wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...ctrical-Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. the 1000 volt circuits he mentioned are probably for elevator service. Extremely long flexible cables! Paul |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:42:20 -0500, Ignoramus22662
wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...ctrical-Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Must be nice and dry down there. There is little to no visible corrosion on any of the buss bars or even the data plates on the back planes Thanks! for the photos. What..1940s? Based on the paint color. Older stuff tended to be japaned black Im surprised no one required guarding. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child, miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke |
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On 2014-08-31, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:42:20 -0500, Ignoramus22662 wrote: http://www.machinerymoverschicago.co...ctrical-Vault/ I worked in this vault today for a couple of hours. Most everything was live. Must be nice and dry down there. There is little to no visible corrosion on any of the buss bars or even the data plates on the back planes Thanks! for the photos. What..1940s? Based on the paint color. Older stuff tended to be japaned black Im surprised no one required guarding. Not sure what the date is, I could not find the date. i |
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On 08/31/2014 9:27 AM, Ignoramus29500 wrote:
.... Thanks! for the photos. What..1940s? Based on the paint color. Older stuff tended to be japaned black Im surprised no one required guarding. Not sure what the date is, I could not find the date. No reason to know but looks much older than that to my eye... What's it powering, ig? Tag says was built for a printing/publishing company--is it associated with that gear or is it just general building service as another hypothesized? -- |
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dpb wrote: On 08/31/2014 9:27 AM, Ignoramus29500 wrote: ... Thanks! for the photos. What..1940s? Based on the paint color. Older stuff tended to be japaned black Im surprised no one required guarding. Not sure what the date is, I could not find the date. No reason to know but looks much older than that to my eye... What's it powering, ig? Tag says was built for a printing/publishing company--is it associated with that gear or is it just general building service as another hypothesized? -- Didn't Iggy scrap a big web press recently? Perhaps removing more scrap from the facility? |
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On 09/02/2014 11:01 AM, Pete C. wrote:
dpb wrote: .... What's it powering, ig? Tag says was built for a printing/publishing company--is it associated with that gear or is it just general building service as another hypothesized? .... Didn't Iggy scrap a big web press recently? Perhaps removing more scrap from the facility? Could be, would be interesting to know just what its function is (or was altho said much if not all is still hot iiuc)... -- |
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