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How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
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How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS. Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers? |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS. -- Ed Huntress |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS. Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers? Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart bombs from 40,000 feet. If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them. I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell. -- Ed Huntress |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS. Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers? Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart bombs from 40,000 feet. If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them. I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell. You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Hell yes!!!! Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets -- "Living in the United States now is like being a Tampon. We're in a great place, just at a bad time." |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS. Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers? Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart bombs from 40,000 feet. If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them. I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell. You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) If I did, I'd retire right now. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS. Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers? Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart bombs from 40,000 feet. If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them. I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell. You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the return size..make em look like real aircraft. -- "Living in the United States now is like being a Tampon. We're in a great place, just at a bad time." |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Saturday, August 23, 2014 9:25:08 PM UTC-7, Richard wrote:
On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. The Joint Strike Fighter Is A Lemon. Stealth doesn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQB4W8C0rZI |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On 8/24/2014 5:57 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:36:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the return size..make em look like real aircraft. Google "C130 flares" images. The recent ones aren't infrared nor radar-guided. They're laser-beam riders and are all but impossible to jam. The Brits make the most advanced ones, called "Starstreak." American Stingers are still IR, now combined with radar, but are much more advanced and harder to jam, than the ones used in Afghanistan. I haven't heard any details about the ones ISIS has, but they're going to be a threat to any low-flying ground support aircraft. So laser guided means they shoot manually - at a visual target. IS there a laser range finer in there somewhere? If not, it's a great way to make them waste expensive ordinance. And in the process of shooting, they give away their location. I like it. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard wrote: On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the return size..make em look like real aircraft. Google "C130 flares" images. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:36:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard wrote: On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the return size..make em look like real aircraft. Google "C130 flares" images. The recent ones aren't infrared nor radar-guided. They're laser-beam riders and are all but impossible to jam. The Brits make the most advanced ones, called "Starstreak." American Stingers are still IR, now combined with radar, but are much more advanced and harder to jam, than the ones used in Afghanistan. I haven't heard any details about the ones ISIS has, but they're going to be a threat to any low-flying ground support aircraft. -- Ed Huntress |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s. Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em. The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each. The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O? The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!? Follow the money, guys... P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service... -- The unexamined life is not worth living. --Socrates |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s. Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em. The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each. The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O? The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!? Follow the money, guys... P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service... -- The unexamined life is not worth living. --Socrates I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start. Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to. Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny. **** Larry Jackass. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote: On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s. Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em. The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each. The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O? The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!? Follow the money, guys... P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service... -- The unexamined life is not worth living. --Socrates I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start. Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to. Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny. **** Larry Jackass. You didn't "start" a thread, dimwit. You posted a link with no comment. So, are you taking credit for what someone else put together, now? -- Ed Huntress |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:13:53 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 8/24/2014 5:57 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:36:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: "Gunner wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the return size..make em look like real aircraft. Google "C130 flares" images. The recent ones aren't infrared nor radar-guided. They're laser-beam riders and are all but impossible to jam. The Brits make the most advanced ones, called "Starstreak." American Stingers are still IR, now combined with radar, but are much more advanced and harder to jam, than the ones used in Afghanistan. I haven't heard any details about the ones ISIS has, but they're going to be a threat to any low-flying ground support aircraft. So laser guided means they shoot manually - at a visual target. IS there a laser range finer in there somewhere? If not, it's a great way to make them waste expensive ordinance. And in the process of shooting, they give away their location. I like it. I think you'd better read up on the beam-guided weapons. They require a lot of training, but there's no current way to jam them.They're quite sophisticated. As for "giving away their location," that's how we guide a lot of smart bombs and rockets -- from the ground. It's not easy to see. -- Ed Huntress |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On 8/24/2014 10:29 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Gunner on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support. Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty minutes!" I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller - the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about an hour and a half to kill." Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Yep. http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/ Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Hell yes!!!! Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane to do it all - badly. I'm not too positive about these numbers, but --- F35 $98 to 116 million per aircraft F22 $420 million per plane Ed Heinemann's little A4 hot-rod - $1 million per aircraft - in 1954 dollars. Do you think 420 A4s could defeat a single F22? I certainly do. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:09:50 PM UTC-7, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer wrote: On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s. Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em. The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each. The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O? The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!? Follow the money, guys... P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service... -- The unexamined life is not worth living. --Socrates I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start. Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to. Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny. **** Larry Jackass. You didn't "start" a thread, dimwit. You posted a link with no comment. So, are you taking credit for what someone else put together, now? -- Ed Huntress Typical slow Eddy bull****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago. slow Eddy has made this claim many times over the years. Slow Eddy can't be trusted. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard wrote: On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS. Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers? Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart bombs from 40,000 feet. If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them. I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell. You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the return size..make em look like real aircraft. I found another site with military manuals online: https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Amilitary-manuals&sort=-publicdate&page=1 -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
Gunner Asch on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support. Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty minutes!" I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller - the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about an hour and a half to kill." Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Yep. http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/ Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Hell yes!!!! Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane to do it all - badly. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:29:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Gunner Asch on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support. Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty minutes!" I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller - the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about an hour and a half to kill." Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Yep. http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/ Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Hell yes!!!! Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane to do it all - badly. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." That is an interesting statement. I was in the FB-111 test program and what SAC was saying at that time was that they had asked for a racehorse and been given a donkey. The Navy escaped from the F-111 fiasco by demonstrating that the F couldn't operate off existing carriers because of too high a "Wind over the deck" requirement and the Australian test team refused to continue with the tests after they blew the bomb doors open while supersonic when they fired the bomb bay mounted gatling gun. -- Cheers, John B. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:29:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Gunner Asch on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support. Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty minutes!" I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller - the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about an hour and a half to kill." Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Yep. http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/ Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Hell yes!!!! Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane to do it all - badly. But..but..but...Its COOL!! -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." -- "Living in the United States now is like being a Tampon. We're in a great place, just at a bad time." |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:19:49 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote: On Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:09:50 PM UTC-7, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer wrote: On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s. Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em. The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each. The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O? The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!? Follow the money, guys... P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service... -- The unexamined life is not worth living. --Socrates I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start. Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to. Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny. **** Larry Jackass. You didn't "start" a thread, dimwit. You posted a link with no comment. So, are you taking credit for what someone else put together, now? -- Ed Huntress Typical slow Eddy bull****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago. I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. -- Ed Huntress |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:30:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, wrote: On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, wrote: On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Martin Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS. Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers? Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart bombs from 40,000 feet. If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them. I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell. You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well. And the big model decoy idea is inspired. I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like. Get a few million for development money? :) Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the return size..make em look like real aircraft. I found another site with military manuals online: https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Amilitary-manuals&sort=-publicdate&page=1 Hush, who cares what you found. You high all the time stuck in a wheelchair 24/7. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:10:54 PM UTC-4, Richard wrote:
On 8/24/2014 10:29 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote: Gunner on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support. Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty minutes!" I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller - the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about an hour and a half to kill." Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Yep. http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/ Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Hell yes!!!! Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane to do it all - badly. I'm not too positive about these numbers, but --- F35 $98 to 116 million per aircraft F22 $420 million per plane Ed Heinemann's little A4 hot-rod - $1 million per aircraft - in 1954 dollars. Do you think 420 A4s could defeat a single F22? I certainly do. So. '60s era jets lost the Vietnam war. Anyway, what would Hein think about this: -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtGBrIYyIVk |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:52:25 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s. Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em. The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each. The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O? The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!? Follow the money, guys... P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service... -- The unexamined life is not worth living. --Socrates I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start. Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to. Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny. **** Larry Jackass. Larry keeps screaming about he's from Medford. Medford, Medford, Medford, Medford. So what? Medford. What goes on there? |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
John B. Slocomb on Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:35:01
+0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:29:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: Gunner Asch on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support. Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty minutes!" I am reminded of a story from the Korean war, to the effect that the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller - the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about an hour and a half to kill." Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. Yep. http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/ Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army. They LOVE that ugly thing. At least the guys on the ground do. Hell yes!!!! Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets. Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane to do it all - badly. That is an interesting statement. I was in the FB-111 test program and what SAC was saying at that time was that they had asked for a racehorse and been given a donkey. The pilots might have thought that, but the Aardvark seem to have been the only other "Fighter" - after the ME110 - which needed a fighter escort. The powers which be wanted one aircraft which could deliver bombs, launch stand off ordnance, and fire missiles to shoot down intercepting aircraft. What they got was an big compromise, which didn't really have the payload, couldn't maneuver to save its life (not compared to the OpFor) and had so many problems with the "innovations" that it really wasn't good for more than garnering votes in Congress. The techno-weenies all have "feature creepism". It is why you can't get "just a cellphone", software which just types up letters and reports, cars without "onboard entertainment systems", fighter aircraft which are optimized for that role, Windows 8, etc, etc. The Air Force main mission is to fly aircraft any where they want to go. Purpose designed aircraft - like the F-16, A-10, the B2 - work. Trying to modify fighters so that they can also do CAS makes as much sense as trying to modify the A-10 so that it can intercept fighters. -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On 8/25/2014 8:11 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago. I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. So plonk him, already! The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to reason with him. David +2 for David, Ed. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:04:44 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:52:25 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote: On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote: On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo Cool. Loves me some Warthog It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528 This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops. They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts. Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed. Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed. Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa waiting for updates. The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s. Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em. The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each. The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O? The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!? Follow the money, guys... P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service... -- The unexamined life is not worth living. --Socrates I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start. Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to. Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny. **** Larry Jackass. Larry keeps screaming about he's from Medford. Medford, Medford, Medford, Medford. So what? Medford. What goes on there? Larry Jackass can't get over that he was forced to leave Vista, CA and blames it on illegal Mexicans. Larry Jackass is a pathetic piece of **** who has spent most of his life being a drunk. What little he has left for a brain is now pickled. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago. I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. So plonk him, already! The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to reason with him. David |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:11:15 PM UTC-7, David R. Birch wrote:
On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago. I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. So plonk him, already! The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to reason with him. David Thank goodness I and others shut David R. Bitch up with his bull**** on Solidworks. He hasn't said a word about SolidWorks since. David R. Bitch has no clue how to use SolidWorks. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:53:44 AM UTC-7, Ed Huntress lied:
I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. -- Ed Huntress You lie all the time, slow Eddy. What you wrote above is a lie. I've nailed you on your lies for years. Good thing Mark Wieber lies more frequently and far worse than you do. Now go do what you do best and write some worthless ad copy for a paying advertiser and pretend it's objective. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Monday, August 25, 2014 3:09:00 PM UTC-7, Richard wrote:
On 8/25/2014 8:11 PM, David R. Birch wrote: On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago. I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. So plonk him, already! The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to reason with him. David +2 for David, Ed. I doubt David R. Bitch can count that high. |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:52:43 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote: On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:53:44 AM UTC-7, Ed Huntress lied: I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. -- Ed Huntress You lie all the time, slow Eddy. What you wrote above is a lie. I've nailed you on your lies for years. Good thing Mark Wieber lies more frequently and far worse than you do. Now go do what you do best and write some worthless ad copy for a paying advertiser and pretend it's objective. 'Looks like Jon is off his meds again. -- Ed Huntress |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:09:00 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 8/25/2014 8:11 PM, David R. Birch wrote: On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago. I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. So plonk him, already! The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to reason with him. David +2 for David, Ed. All right, all right. I'm not going to plonk him, but I will ignore him as much as possible. I just don't want to miss it when his head explodes. d8-) |
How The A-10 Warthog Became 'The Most Survivable Plane Ever Built'
On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:56:56 PM UTC-7, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:52:43 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer wrote: On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:53:44 AM UTC-7, Ed Huntress lied: I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go around in circles and argue with you. You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line. -- Ed Huntress You lie all the time, slow Eddy. What you wrote above is a lie. I've nailed you on your lies for years. Good thing Mark Wieber lies more frequently and far worse than you do. Now go do what you do best and write some worthless ad copy for a paying advertiser and pretend it's objective. 'Looks like Jon is off his meds again. -- Ed Huntress I see slow Eddy still can't keep his word about putting me in his kill file.. That's no surprise to me. |
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