https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo

Cool. Loves me some Warthog

On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528

On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528

This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS.


Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers?

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS.


Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers?

Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're
optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart
bombs from 40,000 feet.

If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real
but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS
fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them.

I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably
not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell.

--
Ed Huntress

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS.


Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers?

Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're
optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart
bombs from 40,000 feet.

If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real
but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS
fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them.

I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably
not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell.


You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting
the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.

And the big model decoy idea is inspired.
I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.
Get a few million for development money?

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Hell yes!!!!


Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets


--
"Living in the United States now is like being a Tampon.
We're in a great place, just at a bad time."

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS.


Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers?

Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're
optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart
bombs from 40,000 feet.

If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real
but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS
fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them.

I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably
not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell.


You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting
the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.

And the big model decoy idea is inspired.
I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.
Get a few million for development money?


If I did, I'd retire right now. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS.


Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers?

Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're
optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart
bombs from 40,000 feet.

If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real
but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS
fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them.

I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably
not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell.


You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting
the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.

And the big model decoy idea is inspired.
I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.
Get a few million for development money?


Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the
return size..make em look like real aircraft.


--
"Living in the United States now is like being a Tampon.
We're in a great place, just at a bad time."

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 9:25:08 PM UTC-7, Richard wrote:
On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:

On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:

On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo







Cool. Loves me some Warthog





It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:



http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528





This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.

They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.

Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.



Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some

people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine

that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.



Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa

waiting for updates.



Martin





Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.

They LOVE that ugly thing.

At least the guys on the ground do.



Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.


The Joint Strike Fighter Is A Lemon. Stealth doesn't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQB4W8C0rZI

On 8/24/2014 5:57 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:36:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,

wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,

wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer
wrote:




You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were
fighting
the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.

And the big model decoy idea is inspired.
I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.
Get a few million for development money?


Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the
return size..make em look like real aircraft.

Google "C130 flares" images.

The recent ones aren't infrared nor radar-guided. They're laser-beam
riders and are all but impossible to jam.

The Brits make the most advanced ones, called "Starstreak." American
Stingers are still IR, now combined with radar, but are much more
advanced and harder to jam, than the ones used in Afghanistan.

I haven't heard any details about the ones ISIS has, but they're going
to be a threat to any low-flying ground support aircraft.


So laser guided means they shoot manually - at a visual target.
IS there a laser range finer in there somewhere?
If not, it's a great way to make them waste expensive ordinance.
And in the process of shooting, they give away their location.
I like it.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,

wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,

wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer
wrote:




You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were
fighting
the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.

And the big model decoy idea is inspired.
I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.
Get a few million for development money?


Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the
return size..make em look like real aircraft.

Google "C130 flares" images.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:36:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,

wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,

wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer
wrote:




You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were
fighting
the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.

And the big model decoy idea is inspired.
I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.
Get a few million for development money?


Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the
return size..make em look like real aircraft.

Google "C130 flares" images.

The recent ones aren't infrared nor radar-guided. They're laser-beam
riders and are all but impossible to jam.

The Brits make the most advanced ones, called "Starstreak." American
Stingers are still IR, now combined with radar, but are much more
advanced and harder to jam, than the ones used in Afghanistan.

I haven't heard any details about the ones ISIS has, but they're going
to be a threat to any low-flying ground support aircraft.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528

This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again
in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air
Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s.
Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em.

The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each.
The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O?

The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!?
Follow the money, guys...

P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service...

--
The unexamined life is not worth living.
--Socrates

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn

wrote:



On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:

On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo







Cool. Loves me some Warthog





It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:



http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528



This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.

They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.

Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.



Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some

people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine

that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.



Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa

waiting for updates.



The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again

in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air

Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s.

Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em.



The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each.

The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O?



The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!?

Follow the money, guys...



P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service...



--

The unexamined life is not worth living.

--Socrates


I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start.

Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to.

Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny.

**** Larry Jackass.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn

wrote:



On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:

On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo







Cool. Loves me some Warthog





It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:



http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528



This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.

They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.

Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.



Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some

people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine

that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.



Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa

waiting for updates.



The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again

in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air

Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s.

Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em.



The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each.

The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O?



The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!?

Follow the money, guys...



P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service...



--

The unexamined life is not worth living.

--Socrates


I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start.

Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to.

Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny.

**** Larry Jackass.

You didn't "start" a thread, dimwit. You posted a link with no
comment.

So, are you taking credit for what someone else put together, now?

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:13:53 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 5:57 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:36:55 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,

wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,

wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer
wrote:




You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were
fighting
the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.

And the big model decoy idea is inspired.
I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.
Get a few million for development money?


Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the
return size..make em look like real aircraft.

Google "C130 flares" images.

The recent ones aren't infrared nor radar-guided. They're laser-beam
riders and are all but impossible to jam.

The Brits make the most advanced ones, called "Starstreak." American
Stingers are still IR, now combined with radar, but are much more
advanced and harder to jam, than the ones used in Afghanistan.

I haven't heard any details about the ones ISIS has, but they're going
to be a threat to any low-flying ground support aircraft.


So laser guided means they shoot manually - at a visual target.
IS there a laser range finer in there somewhere?
If not, it's a great way to make them waste expensive ordinance.
And in the process of shooting, they give away their location.
I like it.

I think you'd better read up on the beam-guided weapons. They require
a lot of training, but there's no current way to jam them.They're
quite sophisticated.

As for "giving away their location," that's how we guide a lot of
smart bombs and rockets -- from the ground. It's not easy to see.

--
Ed Huntress

On 8/24/2014 10:29 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Gunner on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528
This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support.
Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I
wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty
minutes!"

I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that
the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller
- the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and
twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known
as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about
an hour and a half to kill."


Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Yep.
http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Hell yes!!!!


Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets

The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane
to do it all - badly.



I'm not too positive about these numbers, but ---

F35 $98 to 116 million per aircraft
F22 $420 million per plane


Ed Heinemann's little A4 hot-rod - $1 million per aircraft - in 1954
dollars.

Do you think 420 A4s could defeat a single F22?

I certainly do.

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:09:50 PM UTC-7, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer

wrote:



On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn



wrote:







On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:



On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:



On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo















Cool. Loves me some Warthog











It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:







http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528







This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.



They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.



Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.







Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some



people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine



that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.







Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa



waiting for updates.







The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again



in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air



Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s.



Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em.







The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each.



The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O?







The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!?



Follow the money, guys...







P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service...







--



The unexamined life is not worth living.



--Socrates





I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start.



Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to.



Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny.



**** Larry Jackass.



You didn't "start" a thread, dimwit. You posted a link with no

comment.



So, are you taking credit for what someone else put together, now?



--

Ed Huntress

Typical slow Eddy bull****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago. slow Eddy has made this claim many times over the years. Slow Eddy can't be trusted.

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,
wrote:

On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo



Cool. Loves me some Warthog


It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528


This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Martin


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS.


Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers?

Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're
optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart
bombs from 40,000 feet.

If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real
but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS
fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them.

I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably
not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell.


You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting
the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.

And the big model decoy idea is inspired.
I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.
Get a few million for development money?


Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the
return size..make em look like real aircraft.


I found another site with military manuals online:
https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Amilitary-manuals&sort=-publicdate&page=1


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

Gunner Asch on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528
This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support.
Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I
wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty
minutes!"

I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that
the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller
- the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and
twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known
as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about
an hour and a half to kill."


Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Yep.
http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Hell yes!!!!


Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets

The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane
to do it all - badly.




--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:29:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528
This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support.
Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I
wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty
minutes!"

I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that
the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller
- the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and
twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known
as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about
an hour and a half to kill."


Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Yep.
http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Hell yes!!!!


Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets

The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane
to do it all - badly.

--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

That is an interesting statement. I was in the FB-111 test program and
what SAC was saying at that time was that they had asked for a
racehorse and been given a donkey.

The Navy escaped from the F-111 fiasco by demonstrating that the F
couldn't operate off existing carriers because of too high a "Wind
over the deck" requirement and the Australian test team refused to
continue with the tests after they blew the bomb doors open while
supersonic when they fired the bomb bay mounted gatling gun.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:29:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528
This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.

You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support.
Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I
wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty
minutes!"

I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that
the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller
- the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and
twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known
as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about
an hour and a half to kill."


Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.

Yep.
http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/


Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.

Hell yes!!!!


Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets

The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane
to do it all - badly.

But..but..but...Its COOL!!






--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

--
"Living in the United States now is like being a Tampon.
We're in a great place, just at a bad time."

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:19:49 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:09:50 PM UTC-7, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer

wrote:



On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn



wrote:







On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:



On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:



On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo















Cool. Loves me some Warthog











It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:







http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528







This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.



They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.



Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.







Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some



people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine



that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.







Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa



waiting for updates.







The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again



in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air



Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s.



Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em.







The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each.



The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O?







The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!?



Follow the money, guys...







P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service...







--



The unexamined life is not worth living.



--Socrates





I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start.



Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to.



Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny.



**** Larry Jackass.



You didn't "start" a thread, dimwit. You posted a link with no

comment.



So, are you taking credit for what someone else put together, now?



--

Ed Huntress

Typical slow Eddy bull****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short time ago.

I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go
around in circles and argue with you.

You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:30:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:14:45 -0500, Richard

On 8/24/2014 11:46 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:40:47 -0500,

wrote:



On 8/24/2014 1:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:25:08 -0500,

wrote:



On 8/23/2014 9:48 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:

On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:

On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo







Cool. Loves me some Warthog





It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:



http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528





This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.

They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.

Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.



Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some

people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine

that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.



Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa

waiting for updates.



Martin





Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.

They LOVE that ugly thing.

At least the guys on the ground do.



Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.



Their heyday was before the proliferation of MANPADS.





Yeah. But how do we provide air support for mud crawlers?



Based on what we've just been doing in Iraq, it looks like we're

optining for surveilance drones, spotters on the ground, and smart

bombs from 40,000 feet.



If it were me, I'd built a huge fleet of decoy "drones" that look real

but which are nothing more than big model airplanes. Let the ISIS

fighters shoot their limited supply of MANPADS at them.



I've read that they have American-made MANPADS, but they're probably

not the latest stuff. Still, at 10,000 feet, they can raise hell.





You know we gave the Afgans Stingers way back when they were fighting

the Russians. Looks like they learned the leson very well.



And the big model decoy idea is inspired.

I can write up a grant proposal for it, if you like.

Get a few million for development money?





Lots and lots of aluminized mylar following edges to beef up the

return size..make em look like real aircraft.





I found another site with military manuals online:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Amilitary-manuals&sort=-publicdate&page=1

Hush, who cares what you found. You high all the time stuck in a wheelchair 24/7.

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:10:54 PM UTC-4, Richard wrote:
On 8/24/2014 10:29 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Gunner on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528

This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.

They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.

Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.



You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support.

Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I

wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty

minutes!"



I am reminded of a story form the Korean war, to the effect that

the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller

- the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and

twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known

as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about

an hour and a half to kill."





Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some

people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine

that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.



Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa

waiting for updates.



Yep.

http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/





Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.

They LOVE that ugly thing.

At least the guys on the ground do.



Hell yes!!!!





Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.



Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets



The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane

to do it all - badly.







I'm not too positive about these numbers, but ---



F35 $98 to 116 million per aircraft

F22 $420 million per plane





Ed Heinemann's little A4 hot-rod - $1 million per aircraft - in 1954

dollars.

Do you think 420 A4s could defeat a single F22?

I certainly do.

So. '60s era jets lost the Vietnam war. Anyway, what would Hein think about this:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtGBrIYyIVk

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:52:25 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn

wrote:

On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:

On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:



On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo















Cool. Loves me some Warthog











It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:







http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528







This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.



They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.



Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.







Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some



people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine



that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.







Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa



waiting for updates.







The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again



in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air



Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s.



Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em.







The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each.



The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O?







The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!?



Follow the money, guys...







P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service...







--



The unexamined life is not worth living.



--Socrates





I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start.



Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to.



Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny.



**** Larry Jackass.

Larry keeps screaming about he's from Medford. Medford, Medford, Medford, Medford. So what? Medford. What goes on there?

John B. Slocomb on Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:35:01
+0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:29:01 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
Gunner Asch on Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:28:16 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528
This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.
They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.
Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.
You need more of them than that. It is Close Air Support.
Something which you need right now, not in twenty minutes. "If I
wanted it in twenty minutes, I would have asked for it in twenty
minutes!"
I am reminded of a story from the Korean war, to the effect that
the Air Force jets would check in with the FAC (Forward Air Controller
- the target designator) and tell him "I've got a couple bombs and
twenty minutes." Meanwhile,the Navy/Marines in the A-1 (Later known
as the Sandy) would check in with "I've got bombs, rockets and about
an hour and a half to kill."
Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some
people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine
that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.

Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa
waiting for updates.
Yep.
http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/humor/drone-operator-vs-vista-support/663148157001/

Personally, I think the entire fleet should be transferred to the Army.
They LOVE that ugly thing.
At least the guys on the ground do.
Hell yes!!!!

Air Force still seems to want billion dollar super jets.

Tech wienies are like that. Good folks if you have deep pockets

The Air Force is still enamored of the FB-111 concept: One plane
to do it all - badly.
That is an interesting statement. I was in the FB-111 test program and
what SAC was saying at that time was that they had asked for a
racehorse and been given a donkey.

The pilots might have thought that, but the Aardvark seem to have
been the only other "Fighter" - after the ME110 - which needed a
fighter escort. The powers which be wanted one aircraft which could
deliver bombs, launch stand off ordnance, and fire missiles to shoot
down intercepting aircraft. What they got was an big compromise,
which didn't really have the payload, couldn't maneuver to save its
life (not compared to the OpFor) and had so many problems with the
"innovations" that it really wasn't good for more than garnering votes
in Congress.
The techno-weenies all have "feature creepism". It is why you
can't get "just a cellphone", software which just types up letters and
reports, cars without "onboard entertainment systems", fighter
aircraft which are optimized for that role, Windows 8, etc, etc.

The Air Force main mission is to fly aircraft any where they want
to go. Purpose designed aircraft - like the F-16, A-10, the B2 -
work. Trying to modify fighters so that they can also do CAS makes as
much sense as trying to modify the A-10 so that it can intercept
fighters.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On 8/25/2014 8:11 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short
time ago.

I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go
around in circles and argue with you.

You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.

So plonk him, already!

The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to
reason with him.

David


+2 for David, Ed.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 7:04:44 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:52:25 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 4:30:40 PM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:



On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:48:13 -0500, Martin Eastburn



wrote:



On 8/23/2014 5:19 PM, jon_banquer wrote:



On Friday, August 22, 2014 5:59:32 PM UTC-7, Rex wrote:







On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:04:00 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:















https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73IyO1Qdqo































Cool. Loves me some Warthog























It's a national treasure. The Air Force wants to kill it:















http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...-bu-1562789528















This airframe should be kept. I'd say a wing of them for special ops.







They are special and maybe 30 kept with the 270 or so kept for parts.







Keep troops trained as pilots and ground advisers if needed.















Simply cost effective. If a central American country goes wacko or some







people within do it might be just the trick. A billion dollar machine







that flies to fast and can't turn or hide isn't needed.















Seems like they, the DOD, thinks we can fight a war sitting on our sofa







waiting for updates.















The Warthog has been updated and is proving itself over and over again







in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air National Guard and Air







Force Reserves, and the Army are all asking for the existing A-10s.







Everybody (public, too) but the Air Force loves the hell out of 'em.















The plane they propose to replace it with costs $342 million each.







The Warthog costs $11.8 million each. WTF,O?















The A-10 is being removed from service due to cost savings?!?







Follow the money, guys...















P.S: Maybe the Taliban asked Barry nicely to end their service...















--







The unexamined life is not worth living.







--Socrates











I love how Larry Jackass tells everyone not to engage me but then gets involved in threads I start.







Larry Jackass is worthless **** who can't take his own advice but expects others to.







Larry Jackass is a friend of adult babies who want a nanny.







**** Larry Jackass.



Larry keeps screaming about he's from Medford. Medford, Medford, Medford, Medford. So what? Medford. What goes on there?



Larry Jackass can't get over that he was forced to leave Vista, CA and blames it on illegal Mexicans.

Larry Jackass is a pathetic piece of **** who has spent most of his life being a drunk. What little he has left for a brain is now pickled.

On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short
time ago.

I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go
around in circles and argue with you.

You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.

So plonk him, already!

The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to
reason with him.

David

On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:11:15 PM UTC-7, David R. Birch wrote:
On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short

time ago.



I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go

around in circles and argue with you.



You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.



So plonk him, already!



The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to

reason with him.



David

Thank goodness I and others shut David R. Bitch up with his bull**** on Solidworks. He hasn't said a word about SolidWorks since. David R. Bitch has no clue how to use SolidWorks.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:53:44 AM UTC-7, Ed Huntress lied:

I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go

around in circles and argue with you.



You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.



--

Ed Huntress















You lie all the time, slow Eddy. What you wrote above is a lie. I've nailed you on your lies for years. Good thing Mark Wieber lies more frequently and far worse than you do. Now go do what you do best and write some worthless ad copy for a paying advertiser and pretend it's objective.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 3:09:00 PM UTC-7, Richard wrote:
On 8/25/2014 8:11 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short

time ago.



I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go

around in circles and argue with you.



You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.



So plonk him, already!



The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to

reason with him.



David





+2 for David, Ed.

I doubt David R. Bitch can count that high.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:52:43 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:53:44 AM UTC-7, Ed Huntress lied:

I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go

around in circles and argue with you.



You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.



--

Ed Huntress















You lie all the time, slow Eddy. What you wrote above is a lie. I've nailed you on your lies for years. Good thing Mark Wieber lies more frequently and far worse than you do. Now go do what you do best and write some worthless ad copy for a paying advertiser and pretend it's objective.

'Looks like Jon is off his meds again.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:09:00 -0500, Richard
wrote:

On 8/25/2014 8:11 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 8/25/2014 7:53 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
ll****. Slow Eddy lied when he said he put me in his killfile a short
time ago.

I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go
around in circles and argue with you.

You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.

So plonk him, already!

The only time I see his drivel is when others waste their time trying to
reason with him.

David


+2 for David, Ed.

All right, all right. I'm not going to plonk him, but I will ignore
him as much as possible. I just don't want to miss it when his head
explodes. d8-)

On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:56:56 PM UTC-7, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:52:43 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer

wrote:



On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:53:44 AM UTC-7, Ed Huntress lied:



I never said you were in my killfile. I just said I wasn't going to go



around in circles and argue with you.







You're a childish, insulting idiot, Jon. That's the bottom line.







--



Ed Huntress































You lie all the time, slow Eddy. What you wrote above is a lie. I've nailed you on your lies for years. Good thing Mark Wieber lies more frequently and far worse than you do. Now go do what you do best and write some worthless ad copy for a paying advertiser and pretend it's objective.



'Looks like Jon is off his meds again.



--

Ed Huntress

I see slow Eddy still can't keep his word about putting me in his kill file.. That's no surprise to me.