It Might Ship As Early as Today

Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when they say
that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?

I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed to be
sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one item was
delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was shipped.

Interestingly in the communications hardware business
(alarm/telephone/vdeo/etc) my vendors ship on time 99.5% of the time, and it
arrives on time just as often. On the occasions when there is a delay they
let me know right away.

Obviously the "Just In Time" model doesn't work for some industries. LOL.

On Friday, May 16, 2014 11:25:42 AM UTC-7, Bob La Londe wrote:
It Might Ship As Early as Today



Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when they say

that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?



I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed to be

sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one item was

delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was shipped.



Interestingly in the communications hardware business

(alarm/telephone/vdeo/etc) my vendors ship on time 99.5% of the time, and it

arrives on time just as often. On the occasions when there is a delay they

let me know right away.



Obviously the "Just In Time" model doesn't work for some industries. LOL.

I might answer this question for DumbBlonde as early as today.

Bob La Londe wrote:

It Might Ship As Early as Today

Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when they
say
that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?

I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed to
be
sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one item was
delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was shipped.

Shipping companies in the LTL (less than a full truck-load) business
save HUGE amounts of money by scheduling shipments to minimize travel,
and avoid empty or partially-empty trucks. They pass a little bit
of that savings on to their customers. (As little as they can get away
with, of course!) So, your shipment has to wait for another big hunk
of something going approximately the same way. My lathe came on a truck
with printing presses and something that was dropped off earlier.
They devote a HUGE effort to this scheduling problem, the(ir) savings are
huge. Assuming you are shipping these LTL, the machinery dealers are
at the mercy of the LTL shippers to tell them WHEN the truck will get there
to pick up the shipment. And, they generally won't give you a schedule
until AFTER you commit to the shipment.


Interestingly in the communications hardware business
(alarm/telephone/vdeo/etc) my vendors ship on time 99.5% of the time, and
it
arrives on time just as often. On the occasions when there is a delay
they let me know right away.

Obviously the "Just In Time" model doesn't work for some industries. LOL.
The shipment of big machines is a totally different business from FedEx,
UPS, etc. shipping thousands of small boxes on one truck. If you MUST
have it in short order, you can hire the whole truck, but you'll pay
a LOT more for that service.

Jon

"Jon Elson" wrote in message
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Bob La Londe wrote:

It Might Ship As Early as Today

Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when they
say
that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?

I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed to
be
sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one item was
delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was shipped.

Shipping companies in the LTL (less than a full truck-load) business
save HUGE amounts of money by scheduling shipments to minimize travel,
and avoid empty or partially-empty trucks. They pass a little bit
of that savings on to their customers. (As little as they can get away
with, of course!) So, your shipment has to wait for another big hunk
of something going approximately the same way. My lathe came on a truck
with printing presses and something that was dropped off earlier.
They devote a HUGE effort to this scheduling problem, the(ir) savings are
huge. Assuming you are shipping these LTL, the machinery dealers are
at the mercy of the LTL shippers to tell them WHEN the truck will get
there
to pick up the shipment. And, they generally won't give you a schedule
until AFTER you commit to the shipment.


Interestingly in the communications hardware business
(alarm/telephone/vdeo/etc) my vendors ship on time 99.5% of the time, and
it
arrives on time just as often. On the occasions when there is a delay
they let me know right away.

Obviously the "Just In Time" model doesn't work for some industries.
LOL.
The shipment of big machines is a totally different business from FedEx,
UPS, etc. shipping thousands of small boxes on one truck. If you MUST
have it in short order, you can hire the whole truck, but you'll pay
a LOT more for that service.

Oh, I know how it works. Its just irritating as hell when tracking from the
actual trucking company shows estimated delivery time three days ago.

On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:41:15 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:

"Jon Elson" wrote in message
...
Bob La Londe wrote:

It Might Ship As Early as Today

Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when
they say that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?

I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed
to be sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one
item was delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was
shipped.

Shipping companies in the LTL (less than a full truck-load) business
save HUGE amounts of money by scheduling shipments to minimize travel,
and avoid empty or partially-empty trucks. They pass a little bit of
that savings on to their customers. (As little as they can get away
with, of course!) So, your shipment has to wait for another big hunk
of something going approximately the same way. My lathe came on a
truck with printing presses and something that was dropped off earlier.
They devote a HUGE effort to this scheduling problem, the(ir) savings
are huge. Assuming you are shipping these LTL, the machinery dealers
are at the mercy of the LTL shippers to tell them WHEN the truck will
get there to pick up the shipment. And, they generally won't give you
a schedule until AFTER you commit to the shipment.


Interestingly in the communications hardware business
(alarm/telephone/vdeo/etc) my vendors ship on time 99.5% of the time,
and it arrives on time just as often. On the occasions when there is
a delay they let me know right away.

Obviously the "Just In Time" model doesn't work for some industries.
LOL.
The shipment of big machines is a totally different business from
FedEx, UPS, etc. shipping thousands of small boxes on one truck. If
you MUST have it in short order, you can hire the whole truck, but
you'll pay a LOT more for that service.

Oh, I know how it works. Its just irritating as hell when tracking from
the actual trucking company shows estimated delivery time three days
ago.

So, doesn't that have a lot more to do with the trucking company that you
aren't complaining about than the vendor that you are?

Dropping a note to the vendor that you'd at least like accurate tracking
information may help in that regard.

I think if I were the vendor and I read this, I would word the email
"it's all packed up, the trucking company has been called, and now we
wait".

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:41:15 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:

"Jon Elson" wrote in message
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Bob La Londe wrote:

It Might Ship As Early as Today

Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when
they say that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?

I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed
to be sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one
item was delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was
shipped.

Shipping companies in the LTL (less than a full truck-load) business
save HUGE amounts of money by scheduling shipments to minimize travel,
and avoid empty or partially-empty trucks. They pass a little bit of
that savings on to their customers. (As little as they can get away
with, of course!) So, your shipment has to wait for another big hunk
of something going approximately the same way. My lathe came on a
truck with printing presses and something that was dropped off earlier.
They devote a HUGE effort to this scheduling problem, the(ir) savings
are huge. Assuming you are shipping these LTL, the machinery dealers
are at the mercy of the LTL shippers to tell them WHEN the truck will
get there to pick up the shipment. And, they generally won't give you
a schedule until AFTER you commit to the shipment.


Interestingly in the communications hardware business
(alarm/telephone/vdeo/etc) my vendors ship on time 99.5% of the time,
and it arrives on time just as often. On the occasions when there is
a delay they let me know right away.

Obviously the "Just In Time" model doesn't work for some industries.
LOL.
The shipment of big machines is a totally different business from
FedEx, UPS, etc. shipping thousands of small boxes on one truck. If
you MUST have it in short order, you can hire the whole truck, but
you'll pay a LOT more for that service.

Oh, I know how it works. Its just irritating as hell when tracking from
the actual trucking company shows estimated delivery time three days
ago.

So, doesn't that have a lot more to do with the trucking company that you
aren't complaining about than the vendor that you are?

Dropping a note to the vendor that you'd at least like accurate tracking
information may help in that regard.

I think if I were the vendor and I read this, I would word the email
"it's all packed up, the trucking company has been called, and now we
wait".

Actually the vendor did call for a pickup a couple days after they said in
the case that set me off, but the freight expediter just plane lied about
how long it would take. They said 5-7 days. Its been ten and the latest
estimate now is 13 days (Monday). The thing is these companies have been
trucking across country for decades, and they KNOW how long it takes, but I
have NEVER had an estimated delivery date from a trucking company or a
freight expediter be accurate from more than one state away. Most arrive a
day or two after, but this will be a full week after their latest delivery
estimate IF it arrives then.

I think if I were the vendor and I read this, I would word the email
"it's all packed up, the trucking company has been called, and now we
wait".

And even though they called for a freight pickup appointment a few days
later than they originally said that is about what they said when they
finally did.

I guess my real peeve is that it seems to be the norm in freight to lie
about it.

My point is that it NEVER ships today when they say "it might ship as early
as today."

On Friday, May 16, 2014 2:59:09 PM UTC-7, Bob La Londe wrote:
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message

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On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:41:15 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:



"Jon Elson" wrote in message

...

Bob La Londe wrote:



It Might Ship As Early as Today



Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when

they say that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?



I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed

to be sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one

item was delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was

shipped.



Shipping companies in the LTL (less than a full truck-load) business

save HUGE amounts of money by scheduling shipments to minimize travel,

and avoid empty or partially-empty trucks. They pass a little bit of

that savings on to their customers. (As little as they can get away

with, of course!) So, your shipment has to wait for another big hunk

of something going approximately the same way. My lathe came on a

truck with printing presses and something that was dropped off earlier.

They devote a HUGE effort to this scheduling problem, the(ir) savings

are huge. Assuming you are shipping these LTL, the machinery dealers

are at the mercy of the LTL shippers to tell them WHEN the truck will

get there to pick up the shipment. And, they generally won't give you

a schedule until AFTER you commit to the shipment.





Interestingly in the communications hardware business

(alarm/telephone/vdeo/etc) my vendors ship on time 99.5% of the time,

and it arrives on time just as often. On the occasions when there is

a delay they let me know right away.



Obviously the "Just In Time" model doesn't work for some industries.

LOL.

The shipment of big machines is a totally different business from

FedEx, UPS, etc. shipping thousands of small boxes on one truck. If

you MUST have it in short order, you can hire the whole truck, but

you'll pay a LOT more for that service.



Oh, I know how it works. Its just irritating as hell when tracking from

the actual trucking company shows estimated delivery time three days

ago.



So, doesn't that have a lot more to do with the trucking company that you

aren't complaining about than the vendor that you are?



Dropping a note to the vendor that you'd at least like accurate tracking

information may help in that regard.



I think if I were the vendor and I read this, I would word the email

"it's all packed up, the trucking company has been called, and now we

wait".



Actually the vendor did call for a pickup a couple days after they said in

the case that set me off, but the freight expediter just plane lied about

how long it would take. They said 5-7 days. Its been ten and the latest

estimate now is 13 days (Monday). The thing is these companies have been

trucking across country for decades, and they KNOW how long it takes, but I

have NEVER had an estimated delivery date from a trucking company or a

freight expediter be accurate from more than one state away. Most arrive a

day or two after, but this will be a full week after their latest delivery

estimate IF it arrives then.



I think if I were the vendor and I read this, I would word the email

"it's all packed up, the trucking company has been called, and now we

wait".



And even though they called for a freight pickup appointment a few days

later than they originally said that is about what they said when they

finally did.



I guess my real peeve is that it seems to be the norm in freight to lie

about it.



My point is that it NEVER ships today when they say "it might ship as early

as today."

You would be wrong. You're often wrong.

On 2014-05-16, Bob La Londe wrote:
It Might Ship As Early as Today

Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when they say
that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?

Well ... when I buy (components, tools and instruments) from
MSC, they ship on the same day (unless I call really late -- e.g. just
before the West Coast branches close), and I typically get them the next
work day. (Usually shipped from the Harrisburg PA warehouse, and
arriving in Northern VA (close to the DC beltway).

Last semi-heavy thing which I ordered from them was the typical
$200 Horizontal/Vertical bandsaw, and that took a bit longer, since it
came by freight -- but not much longer.

I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed to be
sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one item was
delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was shipped.

I've had similar problems recently with ordering certain
electronics connectors. At least one had to wait until the factory made
another run of that particular configuration. :-(

Interestingly in the communications hardware business
(alarm/telephone/vdeo/etc) my vendors ship on time 99.5% of the time, and it
arrives on time just as often. On the occasions when there is a delay they
let me know right away.

Obviously the "Just In Time" model doesn't work for some industries. LOL.

Indeed so.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

On 2014-05-16, Bob La Londe wrote:
It Might Ship As Early as Today

Ok, does anybody in the machinery business ever really mean it when they say
that? If they do mean it are the ever successful?

Well ... when I buy (components, tools and instruments) from
MSC, they ship on the same day (unless I call really late -- e.g. just
before the West Coast branches close), and I typically get them the next
work day. (Usually shipped from the Harrisburg PA warehouse, and
arriving in Northern VA (close to the DC beltway).

Last semi-heavy thing which I ordered from them was the typical
$200 Horizontal/Vertical bandsaw, and that took a bit longer, since it
came by freight -- but not much longer.

I've purchased four pieces of equipment in the last month that needed to be
sent by truck. Not one item shipped when they said, and not one item was
delivered by the estimated delivery date even after it was shipped.

I've had similar problems recently with ordering certain
electronics connectors. At least one had to wait until the factory made
another run of that particular configuration. :-(


I've been looking for the connector HP used to connect to the 355E/F
attenuators. No one shows any stock. The MOQ from the OEM is 1K, at $28
each. It was a seven pin Winchester circular plug, HP: Connector (7-pin,
male) 1251-1037


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On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:56:21 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

I've been looking for the connector HP used to connect to the 355E/F
attenuators. No one shows any stock. The MOQ from the OEM is 1K, at $28
each. It was a seven pin Winchester circular plug, HP: Connector (7-pin,
male) 1251-1037

These guys http://www.veracitytechnologyservice...obsolete-parts say they have your part.

On Friday, May 16, 2014 2:25:42 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:

Placed an order with a print shop Thursday afternoon. for a one-day turnaround job. They say it will be delivered "sometime" today (Tuesday). I suppose that is still one day, for some extremely huge value of "one."

"rangerssuck" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 16, 2014 2:25:42 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:

Placed an order with a print shop Thursday afternoon. for a one-day
turnaround job. They say it will be delivered "sometime" today (Tuesday).
I suppose that is still one day, for some extremely huge value of "one."

Yeah. LOL. Occasionally I need a print job done fast, and don't mind
paying a little extra. Speedy Signs is decent at that, but I wouldn't ever
buy bulk items from them.

On a side note, my vendor for a new Tennsmith brake told me it should arrive
yesterday in the AM, and the trucking company would call before delivery. I
got a call from the trucking company yesterday afternoon saying it would
arrive today in the afternoon. I suppose that's not horrible. Its only one
day late instead of 8 like the mill I finally received yesterday.