Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24


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On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR



It only took 2.5 months..

It will take you another 2.5 months to learn how to post some pictures,
you incompetent ****ing clown.

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:14:39 -0800, dh@. wrote:

On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR



It only took 2.5 months..

It will take you another 2.5 months to learn how to post some pictures,
you incompetent ****ing clown.


Funny. Over here in Thailand it is almost instantaneous to load either
of the photos.

Must be a crappy computer on your end.
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On 12/3/2013 8:29 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:14:39 -0800, dh@. wrote:

On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR



It only took 2.5 months..

It will take you another 2.5 months to learn how to post some pictures,
you incompetent ****ing clown.


Funny. Over here in Thailand it is almost instantaneous to load either
of the photos.

Must be a crappy computer on your end.

I suspect the error is in the chair/keyboard interface.

David

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:14:39 -0800, dh@. wrote:

On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR



It only took 2.5 months..

It will take you another 2.5 months to learn how to post some pictures,
you incompetent ****ing clown.


Hey dh@

Worked OK way over here. All of them.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

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On 12/3/2013 8:39 AM, Brian Lawson wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:14:39 -0800, dh@. wrote:

On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR



It only took 2.5 months..

It will take you another 2.5 months to learn how to post some pictures,
you incompetent ****ing clown.


Hey dh@

Worked OK way over here. All of them.

They do now, but they didn't for hours after the ****worm posted the links.

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 08:55:08 -0800, dh@. wrote:

On 12/3/2013 8:39 AM, Brian Lawson wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:14:39 -0800, dh@. wrote:

On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR



It only took 2.5 months..

It will take you another 2.5 months to learn how to post some pictures,
you incompetent ****ing clown.


Hey dh@

Worked OK way over here. All of them.

They do now, but they didn't for hours after the ****worm posted the links.

I see. You were hovering over Gunners site just waiting till he posted
a new picture....

You know, I believe you must be obsessed with Gunner, spending hours
watching him and I can only assume that your Mommy and Daddy support
you in a manner that you have become accustomed to so you have the
time to lurk on line and watch Gunner.

Pitiful.
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:39:30 -0500, Brian Lawson
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:14:39 -0800, dh@. wrote:

On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR



It only took 2.5 months..

It will take you another 2.5 months to learn how to post some pictures,
you incompetent ****ing clown.


Hey dh@

Worked OK way over here. All of them.

Dhu is incapable of running his computer properly is what he is
admitting.



Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:28:16 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:39:30 -0500, Brian Lawson
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:14:39 -0800, dh@. wrote:

On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR


https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR



It only took 2.5 months..

It will take you another 2.5 months to learn how to post some pictures,
you incompetent ****ing clown.


Hey dh@

Worked OK way over here. All of them.

Dhu is incapable of running his computer properly is what he is
admitting.



Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

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"Dhu" or "Dud"?
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Looks awesome, perfect love nest

i

On 2013-12-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24



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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:51:53 -0600, Ignoramus7116
wrote:

Looks awesome, perfect love nest


Maybe when it warms up a little...shrug..but Ill be sailing all winter
in warm clothes. I do have a Coleman stove and whatnot stocked in the
boat..I could hook up and take a sail from the coast to Frisco or
north..or down to Ensenada Mexico with no issues. Id have to put more
water on board and stock the pantries though.


i

On 2013-12-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24



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On 12/2/2013 7:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24


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Looks pretty good, Gunner.
If the sails shape as well, you are going to be ok.

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:09:13 -0600, Richard
wrote:

On 12/2/2013 7:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24


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Looks pretty good, Gunner.
If the sails shape as well, you are going to be ok.


The original jib and main are about 35 yrs old...but still pocket
properly. I suspect the boat didnt get much time before I wound up
with it. Both sails are very light and not coated..about 5oz dacron.
I picked up an 150% genoa from a gal in Wisconson for $25 and $24
shipping..she had a good sail locker from a Balboa 20..same rig..but I
only wanted the genny and she sent it to me. A nearly new sail! Great
genny with good material..bout 8 oz and coated. The sail bag it came
in said "genoa, Balboa 20, # 666" ...which did give me something of a
twinge..but its a damned nice genny and since much of our wind is
lightish...will be greatly needed.

The V24 has 5 bags of sails and Ive not spread them out yet..though I
did notice one was marked "storm jib". Its been rigged for a
chute..but dont know if there is one in there or not. Next weekend Ill
lay out my sails and see what Ive got.

The Ensenada 20 is considered a slow but very very stable boat with
very little heel even in good gusts. I hope the genny makes up for it
and Im looking for a chute for it as well.

I know going into it..that the Venture 24 is considered tender and I
will be working the main a lot.

Gunner


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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:11:05 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

I thought you had already fixed the wooden runners on the trailer.
Those look like they're still indenting the fiberglass of the boat
pretty deeply (couple inches?) at the front now.

The dingus was probably a bracket for a deck light or sumpin'.


Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24

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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 21:47:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:11:05 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

I thought you had already fixed the wooden runners on the trailer.
Those look like they're still indenting the fiberglass of the boat
pretty deeply (couple inches?) at the front now.

The dingus was probably a bracket for a deck light or sumpin'.

Nope,,put new douglas fire 2x6s down, with the old bunk carpet on it.
The indentations were from the previous bad bunkers.

I had to raise the boat up with the engine hoist shown..then glassed
in a piece of PVC pipe after jacking out the dents. It made it quite
solit. My only serious ****up was welding in a pair of mid bunk
supports..and forgetting that the boats stern was hanging from the
engine hoist. Which made the mid bunk supports the high spot..not the
lowest. Some of the ;later photos show the new wood with the old
carpets laid on them. Id not gotten my scraps handy yet.



Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24

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On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:11:05 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning



https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642



https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#



It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.



Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...



This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods



https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24





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Now Wieber can sleep in his boat and rent out his bedroom to yet another roommate.

On 2013-12-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Pity that is it not reasonable weather to *use* it now. (Or at
least not so here, not sure about CA.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 3 Dec 2013 06:00:10 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2013-12-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Pity that is it not reasonable weather to *use* it now. (Or at
least not so here, not sure about CA.

Enjoy,
DoN.

Today it was 71 with a variable wind around 10-15 knots, tonight its
down in the high 30s..chilly.

We have little to no snow here and winter tends to bring out the sail
gys and windsurfers because its not dust devil wints but true winds.


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On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24

Only you would spend 80+ hours refurbishing a boat that you could sell
for $1800 at most. And it still looks like a nest of badgers has been
sleeping in it.

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:44:54 AM UTC-8, jazzbeaux wrote:
On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning



https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642



https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#



It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.



Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...



This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods



https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24



Only you would spend 80+ hours refurbishing a boat that you could sell

for $1800 at most. And it still looks like a nest of badgers has been

sleeping in it.


Wieber's plan is probably to live in it and rent out his bedroom to another roommate.

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 07:44:54 -0800, jazzbeaux crimefighters@world
wrote:

On 12/2/2013 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Finished the refurbishment of the Ensenada 20 this morning

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...54671013202642

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...02/Ensenada20#

It only took 2.5 months..but I had to do other stuff along the way.

Late this afternoon..I moved the next refurb into the work area...

This one..gets a full custom cabin and lots of little tweeks and mods

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422...2602/Venture24

Only you would spend 80+ hours refurbishing a boat that you could sell
for $1800 at most. And it still looks like a nest of badgers has been
sleeping in it.


Humm? Ive got bout 10 hours in it, here and there. Maybe 12..

80+? Oh...I didnt notice who you were. Sorry..its early yet and I
didnt catch the stench of your nym changing buffoonery. Morning sinus
issues.

What the **** gives you the idea I refurbed it for resale? I
refurbed it to sail.

My total cost was about $250. Quart and a half of fiberglass
resin, fiberglass cloth, teak oil, paint, all new lines (Spectra) and
4 good Harken blocks. Bought a Apelco marine vhf radio and good used
deep cycle marine battery , two good used tires for the trailer, 2 new
taillights from HF and (2) 2x6 x10 douglas fire planks for the
bunkers. Bought the cleaning supplies from the 99c store as well as
the paint brushes. I have 3 gallons of 2 cycle oil for the outboard
and the new hoses cost me $3.27

The Venture 24 is going to be the expensive one..Im designing and
building custome cabinetry. Its going to be a vacation boat. What
with the price of marine plywood...it may cost me up to $500.
Gonna gut it and rebuild from the bilge upwards. Since I paid about
$75 for the boat and trailer and 9.9 long shaft Seamaster outboard, 5
bags of sails, a ton of misc accessories...I think I can do a fair
amount and remain under budget....dont you?

Snicker

You are one of those that calls in the plumber, the electrician and
the lawn care guy..arent you? Of course you are.

Gunner


I did mention that Ive got $75 in the boat ..thats what I paid for it.
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Something to think about, Gunner.
Adding "cabinetry" to a very light boat like the Venture is something I
would not do. And I LOVE making things for my boats.

I say that because it adds dead weight to the boat,
takes up interior space, and _can_ turn out to be
more in the way that useful.

Go slow and minimal for best results.

Marine plywood may not be necessary.
I've used a lot of baltic birch with good results
BECAUSE I use the West System system.
Three coats of resin to completely seal the wood.

It's not an extra expense for cheap wood because you really
need to do the same treatment to marine plywood too to keep
it from wicking up water.

But whichever wood you use, I strongly recommend that there
be no exposed end grain plywood. At bare minimum seal the
ends with epoxy. Better yet is to add solid wood stoppers
(also sealed with epoxy )

Well anyway...

At least you are right-side-up in both of them.


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:

Something to think about, Gunner.
Adding "cabinetry" to a very light boat like the Venture is something I
would not do. And I LOVE making things for my boats.

I say that because it adds dead weight to the boat,
takes up interior space, and _can_ turn out to be
more in the way that useful.

Go slow and minimal for best results.

what..this may be a bit much?

http://macgregoryachts.com/search-details.cfm?y=94949



Marine plywood may not be necessary.
I've used a lot of baltic birch with good results
BECAUSE I use the West System system.
Three coats of resin to completely seal the wood.

It's not an extra expense for cheap wood because you really
need to do the same treatment to marine plywood too to keep
it from wicking up water.

But whichever wood you use, I strongly recommend that there
be no exposed end grain plywood. At bare minimum seal the
ends with epoxy. Better yet is to add solid wood stoppers
(also sealed with epoxy )

Well anyway...

At least you are right-side-up in both of them.


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

Capri 22s? Those are somewhat easy to find. That being said..they
started production in the mid 1980s and there arnt all that many out
there.

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=166


I did mention the Yahoo group Freesailboats..right?

Sign up, and go through the ads at least once a week.

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...tions/messages


http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...ums/1932465020
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...bums/560509793

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...bums/818694451
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...ums/1775233801

When reading the messages..you will notice I post about 2x a week with
up to 40 boats at a time.

whats your maximum price? How far are you willing to drive to pick
one up?

also keep your eyes peeled on Ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Catalin...-/111227268674

(The Cat 22 swing keels are FAST!!)

set up up a search on Ebay and check it once a week.

Btw...the Santana 22 and the S2 6.9 are head and heels faster than the
Capri..and Ive posted both for under a grand. There is one in
Phoenix for $500 (Santana 22) on a trailer that would need very little
fixing.

Want a family boat or a racer? The Capri 25 is much faster btw.

We are getting into less boats as the winter progresses.

Gunner




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Gunner Asch fired this volley in
:

http://macgregoryachts.com/search-details.cfm?y=94949

CRAP! Those peak tank racks really brought back some lousy PCF memories!

Lloyd

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 17:10:12 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:

Something to think about, Gunner.
Adding "cabinetry" to a very light boat like the Venture is something I
would not do. And I LOVE making things for my boats.

I say that because it adds dead weight to the boat,
takes up interior space, and _can_ turn out to be
more in the way that useful.

Go slow and minimal for best results.

what..this may be a bit much?

http://macgregoryachts.com/search-details.cfm?y=94949

It seems they're using a slightly larger dinghy than you for their
basic boat, bubba. You'll never get a queen size bed, let alone that
kitchen setup, in a 24. giggle


Marine plywood may not be necessary.
I've used a lot of baltic birch with good results
BECAUSE I use the West System system.
Three coats of resin to completely seal the wood.

Baltic Birch is bitchen, boy.

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On 12/3/2013 7:10 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

Capri 22s? Those are somewhat easy to find. That being said..they
started production in the mid 1980s and there arnt all that many out
there.

About 1500 built, I believe.


http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=166

I did mention the Yahoo group Freesailboats..right?
Sign up, and go through the ads at least once a week.
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...tions/messages


http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...ums/1932465020
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...bums/560509793

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...bums/818694451
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/f...ums/1775233801

When reading the messages..you will notice I post about 2x a week with
up to 40 boats at a time.

whats your maximum price? How far are you willing to drive to pick
one up?

The "how far" part is more of a limit than the price.
And price, of course, depends on the product.
For instance:
This guy has $10,750 "invested" in his '89 Capri 22.
http://sailingtexas.com/201301/scapri22167.html
NADA says base price average retail $2700 to $3500. $7500 retail.
So he's going to keep it for a while.

But the newer ones (5 years old maybe?) are still bringing $15000 to $18000.

also keep your eyes peeled on Ebay.

Two things there.
1) I don't DO Ebay. You can't make me.
So that's kind of a moot point.

2) I'm not interested in a swing keel boat.
Not even a FREE one!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Catalin...-/111227268674

(The Cat 22 swing keels are FAST!!)

OH Lord, give me patience.
Because if you give me strength, I just might use it wrong!

No, grasshopper, that's not "fast".
Not even from just a speed perspective.

And no bleeping way if you refer to the boat's "pointing" ability.

Pointing.
The ability of a Christian to sail INTO the wind - without guilt.



Btw...the Santana 22 and the S2 6.9 are head and heels faster than the
Capri..and Ive posted both for under a grand. There is one in
Phoenix for $500 (Santana 22) on a trailer that would need very little
fixing.

The Santana and that S2 are both swing keels.
Just not at all interested.

Want a family boat or a racer? The Capri 25 is much faster btw.

We race now and then. As a family.
Kinda blurs the distinction somewhat.


Yes sir! The Capri 25 can go fast all right. It can PLANE!
So its not limited to hull speed of a displacement style hull.

But it's also 25 feet long.
It's LIGHTER than my Capri 26 (4500 versed 6000).
But that puts tow weight up near 6000 pounds.

Remember, I'm DOWN-sizing. And I have money.

My desires are thus:

Trailerable, yes. 3500 to 4000 pounds tow weight.

But high performance to windward. Because any old tub can go downwind!
That means a proper keel under the boat.
A wing keel is probably the way to go for this boat.

A deep fin would point best, but harder to float on the trailer.

The local lake (that still has any water in it) is down 8 feet.
Makes launching and retrieving a real issue. (ramp length)
Right now, I'd use the crane at the club to launch.
It has a 6000 pound limit.

Able to walk the mast up and down solo.
The Capri 22 is marginal there, but an A-frame system would solve that.
I could walk a 25 foot mast up without it (in my exuberant youth).

A decent cockpit! That's one of the best features of the Capri series.
Even the 18 had a huge, well arranged cockpit.

A cabin, yes, but that's not the reason for having the boat.
It's not a "motor home on the water" - at least not for me.


A good suit of sails. You motor heads will get this easily once you
understand that the sails are what powers the boat. (Well DUH!).
And the PULL the boat, so they literally "fly".
Shape matters.

Probably go "loose footed" this time - because it makes a better set up
for reefing. The fabric doesn't get caught between reefing line and
boom, where it chafes away (rapidly).

Two reef points - or maybe just two main sails. Large and small, with
one reef point each.

Storm jib, 100% working jib, and an asymmetrical spinnaker. Don't need
a lot of overlap on the jib because we are not racing to a design rule.
Yeah, I know they look cool and everybody has a big jib, but the Asym is
better in light air and the working jib better the rest of the time.

Remember, sails are sized to move the boat to hull speed in light air.
The rest of the time they are overpowered.


I could go on, but you probably get my drift.
I know what I want.
We'll find one.
That's all it takes

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:

Something to think about, Gunner.
Adding "cabinetry" to a very light boat like the Venture is something I
would not do. And I LOVE making things for my boats.

I say that because it adds dead weight to the boat,
takes up interior space, and _can_ turn out to be
more in the way that useful.

Go slow and minimal for best results.

Marine plywood may not be necessary.
I've used a lot of baltic birch with good results
BECAUSE I use the West System system.
Three coats of resin to completely seal the wood.

It's not an extra expense for cheap wood because you really
need to do the same treatment to marine plywood too to keep
it from wicking up water.

But whichever wood you use, I strongly recommend that there
be no exposed end grain plywood. At bare minimum seal the
ends with epoxy. Better yet is to add solid wood stoppers
(also sealed with epoxy )

Well anyway...

At least you are right-side-up in both of them.


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

Ask and yee shall receive....

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4222627960.html

Hows that for service?

Gunner

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On 12/4/2013 1:06 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600,
wrote:

Something to think about, Gunner.
Adding "cabinetry" to a very light boat like the Venture is something I
would not do. And I LOVE making things for my boats.

I say that because it adds dead weight to the boat,
takes up interior space, and _can_ turn out to be
more in the way that useful.

Go slow and minimal for best results.

Marine plywood may not be necessary.
I've used a lot of baltic birch with good results
BECAUSE I use the West System system.
Three coats of resin to completely seal the wood.

It's not an extra expense for cheap wood because you really
need to do the same treatment to marine plywood too to keep
it from wicking up water.

But whichever wood you use, I strongly recommend that there
be no exposed end grain plywood. At bare minimum seal the
ends with epoxy. Better yet is to add solid wood stoppers
(also sealed with epoxy )

Well anyway...

At least you are right-side-up in both of them.


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

Ask and yee shall receive....

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4222627960.html

Hows that for service?

Gunner


Gun-Ner!!@&*

San Francisco is not exactly in trailer range - for a boat
with no trailer.

Try A-Gin.

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:

Something to think about, Gunner.
Adding "cabinetry" to a very light boat like the Venture is something I
would not do. And I LOVE making things for my boats.

I say that because it adds dead weight to the boat,
takes up interior space, and _can_ turn out to be
more in the way that useful.

Go slow and minimal for best results.

Marine plywood may not be necessary.
I've used a lot of baltic birch with good results
BECAUSE I use the West System system.
Three coats of resin to completely seal the wood.

It's not an extra expense for cheap wood because you really
need to do the same treatment to marine plywood too to keep
it from wicking up water.

But whichever wood you use, I strongly recommend that there
be no exposed end grain plywood. At bare minimum seal the
ends with epoxy. Better yet is to add solid wood stoppers
(also sealed with epoxy )

Well anyway...

At least you are right-side-up in both of them.


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/4225825258.html


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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:

Something to think about, Gunner.
Adding "cabinetry" to a very light boat like the Venture is something I
would not do. And I LOVE making things for my boats.

I say that because it adds dead weight to the boat,
takes up interior space, and _can_ turn out to be
more in the way that useful.

Go slow and minimal for best results.

Marine plywood may not be necessary.
I've used a lot of baltic birch with good results
BECAUSE I use the West System system.
Three coats of resin to completely seal the wood.

It's not an extra expense for cheap wood because you really
need to do the same treatment to marine plywood too to keep
it from wicking up water.

But whichever wood you use, I strongly recommend that there
be no exposed end grain plywood. At bare minimum seal the
ends with epoxy. Better yet is to add solid wood stoppers
(also sealed with epoxy )

Well anyway...

At least you are right-side-up in both of them.


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/4226234251.html
Catalina 22 Sailboat '85 - $1000 (Lake Travis )
Need it gone ASAP. Make me an offer. I will post pics when I have a
chance to get up to the lake. Its been on the water for the last year,
unused. Could probably use a good bottom clean, and a carb clean on
the motor. I redid the teak, recovered the cusions, added a stereo
about 18 months ago. Has a solar charger and battery (battery was good
last time I was up there). Seriously just need it gone.
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:

Something to think about, Gunner.
Adding "cabinetry" to a very light boat like the Venture is something I
would not do. And I LOVE making things for my boats.

I say that because it adds dead weight to the boat,
takes up interior space, and _can_ turn out to be
more in the way that useful.

Go slow and minimal for best results.

Marine plywood may not be necessary.
I've used a lot of baltic birch with good results
BECAUSE I use the West System system.
Three coats of resin to completely seal the wood.

It's not an extra expense for cheap wood because you really
need to do the same treatment to marine plywood too to keep
it from wicking up water.

But whichever wood you use, I strongly recommend that there
be no exposed end grain plywood. At bare minimum seal the
ends with epoxy. Better yet is to add solid wood stoppers
(also sealed with epoxy )

Well anyway...

At least you are right-side-up in both of them.


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/4226564423.html

21' Calkins trailer for sale or trade - $400 (NW Austin)
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80's 21' Calkins sailboat trailer for sale or trade. It's in decent
shape, fully operable, carried a 1200 lb sailboat no problem. Needs
repaint, I have the title. I'm looking for a smaller boat trailer for
a 12' outboard power boat, less than 500 lbs capacity needed. Trailer
is in NW Austin, near Parmer and Mopac.

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I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

http://corpuschristi.craigslist.org/boa/4221956646.html
Laguna Windrose 18 Sailboat, sale or trade - $1200 (Corpus Christi
Marina)
image 1image 2image 3image 4image 5image 6image 7image 8image 9
Ready to sail, great condition classic 1974 micro yacht with a solid
hull and heavily reinforced. I sail her daily in the Corpus Christi
Bay, race, anchor out, cruise to Port Aransas, and have even taken her
45 miles into the Gulf in severe weather. Though I wouldn't recommend
the latter, the boat handled very well and will easily heave-to under
a triple-reefed main or trysail alone. If new to sailing, an
instructional sail can be provided.

*500 lb swing keel with lock-down bolt, self-righting, can be anchored
in 1 and a half feet of water with keel raised.

*Mast can be raised/lowered in minutes by 2 people

*Self-bailing cockpit with positive flotation due to large foam blocks
under cockpit and sealed in v-berth.

*Extra-large cabin sleeps 4 adults comfortably with plenty of room for
storage beneath v-berth and in cockpit lockers.

*Through-bolted hull to deck seam

*Average speed 4 to 5 knots, have reached 5.7 beating to windward and
6.2 on a broad reach.

*Can be easily moved by 2 rowing or with trolling motor in light air

Upkeep and modifications:

*Bottom job, Jan 2013, cleaned weekly by myself.
*New main birch bulkhead, twice as thick as original, tabbed and
bolted top and bottom
*Backing plates installed on most deck hardware
*Mast compression post added
*Jib tracks with cars
*All new turnbuckle screws
*New spreaders
*New mainsheet tackle and line and trackless traveller with cam cleats
*Spare main halyard block installed
*Topping lift
*Bilge pump
*Solar panel hard-wired to marine battery for LED lighted interior,
running lights and car outlet
*2 danforth anchors and 100 ft of anchor line
*New keel pivot bolt
*Horizontal axis self-steering windvane
*VHF radio with 12 volt charger
*12 volt PC computer with ATX power regulator and multiple 12 volt and
USB outputs, including all nautical and pilot charts for the north
Atlantic, GPS, WiFi and chart plotter. (LCD monitor functional for
watching TV/DVD's, but will need to be replaced since the VGA port has
a short).

Includes genoa and tracks, working jib, small jib and main. Running
and standing rigging in great condition.

Includes trailer--new lights, leaf springs, tires and bunk boards,
needs paint job. Trailer located just north of San Antonio--will bring
to Corpus when boat sells (if trailer is wanted).

Trailer and boat registered and titled.

Slip paid for through the end of December.

Willing to trade for travel trailer/camper or small fishing boat with
engine and trailer
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wrote:


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

http://gulfport.craigslist.org/boa/4224947166.html
22 foot Sailboat - $500 (Gulfport ms)
image 1image 2image 3image 4image 5image 6image 7
500obo, great deal especially since it has sails and everything. I
have paperwork for it and it's been sitting in a boat slip for all
it's life. Needs a little love. Does not have trailer but it is in
bayou Bernard, call or text for more information or come take a look
at it. 228-669-2041 preferably text
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

http://bham.craigslist.org/boa/4224622988.html

Sailboat - $900 (Chelsea)
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Sailboat, 23' Gulf Coast, with trailer

Fixer Upper (get ready over Winter for Sailing in the Spring)


205/910-3110

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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/4226956341.html
Catalina Capri 25 sailboat - $4900 (Sarasota)
image 1image 2image 3image 4image 5image 6image 7image 8image 9
1984 Catalina Capri 25, serial 413. Fixed keel, 4ft draft
Recent Hood Seafurl-5 roller furling, forestay and life lines.
2003 Tohatsu 9.9hp outboard runs great.
Standard mainsail, 155 genoa, & spinnaker. All canvas in good
condition.
Spinnaker, pole, and lines rarely used. Additional whisker pole.
Bottom paint job 2 years old, maintained and cleaned by professional
diver.
Compass and depth gage. Nav and mast lights. Porta-potty.
Sailing regularly in Sarasota Bay.

Location: Sarasota
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:56:14 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:

SNIP

http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/4226956341.html

SNIP

Hey Gunner,

Now that's a NICE looking boat. I had decided to stay home this
winter, but maybe, just maybe, something like this would get me
interested to head on down to Florida for a month or so. We'll see.

Take care.

Brian Lawson

ps...the Capri 22 looked nice too, but too far to haul home.

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On 12/4/2013 11:19 AM, no spam wrote:

How well does the swing-down keel work on any of these boats. Typically
first to leak and cause lots of problems that are hard or impossible to
fix - including making noise as you come about etc.?

Well, that's pretty much true of older or poorly maintained boats.
But it doesn't have to be that way.

If the hinge is loose (worn) or there is slop between keel board and
the trunk it retracts into, it will bang around, wobble some, and maybe
have a tack (side) that it sails better than the other.

The pennant (cable that raises and lowers the keel) will sing sweetly at
any speed. But that's pure unadulterated drag.

Loading heavily enough to get the hinge pin under water can sink a boat.

And the slot for the trunk is not exactly what we call a streamlined
shape...

Another thing is that swing keels are usually cast iron - not lead.
With all the issues that come with iron in salt water.

And the trunk takes up a lot of room in the cabin - right where the
floor could be.

But - some people still like the idea...

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 09:19:49 -0800, no spam wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:56:14 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:


I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.

http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/4226956341.html
Catalina Capri 25 sailboat - $4900 (Sarasota)
image 1image 2image 3image 4image 5image 6image 7image 8image 9
1984 Catalina Capri 25, serial 413. Fixed keel, 4ft draft
Recent Hood Seafurl-5 roller furling, forestay and life lines.
2003 Tohatsu 9.9hp outboard runs great.
Standard mainsail, 155 genoa, & spinnaker. All canvas in good
condition.
Spinnaker, pole, and lines rarely used. Additional whisker pole.
Bottom paint job 2 years old, maintained and cleaned by professional
diver.
Compass and depth gage. Nav and mast lights. Porta-potty.
Sailing regularly in Sarasota Bay.

Location: Sarasota
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How well does the swing-down keel work on any of these boats. Typically
first to leak and cause lots of problems that are hard or impossible to
fix - including making noise as you come about etc.?

Swing keels work very well..if they are designed properly. They
seldom leak, but maintainence of the swing keel bolt does need to be
done every 5-10 yrs. Which at worst takes about an hour or two.
Simply put a jack under the swing keel and brace the keel, unscrew the
nut and remove the bolt, look in the hole with a flash light to see
how oval the bronze/brass liner has gotten to be...replace the nut and
bolt along with new seals and add a bit of 5200 sealant, tighten and
your back in business. If the boat has been used heavily for 30 or so
years..one simply drops the 100-1000 lb keel, sandblasts and reglasses
it, replace the bronze or brass bushing, lifts it back into place,
installs a new nut and bolt, new seals and you are back in business
again. The cable used to lift and lower the keel should be replaced
every 5-10 yrs if used in salt water and about double that if used in
fresh water.

From another group...

If your boat is to be craned in and out (lifted by straps to the water
and then back to its cradle), a fixed keel will offer a bit better
performance. If you must launch the boat from a ramp with a trailer,
the swing-keel is the lone practical hull configuration of the two.
Check with the yard to find out how boats are launched/recovered, then
you'll know.
****

Swing Keel vs Fixed
The problem with swing keels, vs center board boats, is all the
ballast is in that big swinging plate with a swing keel. In a
knockdown, the board can swing back up and the boat will no longer
have positive stability. The could leave you with the mast pointing
down and the part of your boat that should never see the sun blinded
by the light. Multiple deaths from a swing keeler that turned turtle
in San Diego Bay last year.

Center board boats have smallish keel and a largely unweighted board.
The board does not act as ballast. When it's down, it adds additional
resistance to sideways motion for better windward performance.

Keel boats come in all sorts of configuations and keel depths. Racing
boats will have a deeper, shorter keel. More cruising oriented boats
will tend to have shallower, longer keels. The deeper the keel, the
more resistance to healing and better able to stand up to more sail
area in stronger winds. A blessing for the racer, not so much so for
the cruiser.

What really will determine what you need is the launch ramps in your
area. If they get deep quickly, full keel boats are easy to launch
with an extendable tongue or even a rope to get the boat and trailer
into deeper water. If the launch ramps are shallow, you'll be forced
to go with a shallow draft fixed keel, centerboarder, or swing keel.
That is if there are no lifts in your area. Most of the Yacht clubs on
the Alameda Estuary have simple permanent cranes for launching keel
boats up to around 30' length and 6' plus draft. The boats are built
with a lift ring so it's just a matter of hooking to the crane,
hoisting the boat out, and swingine it onto it's trailer.
****

There are two big advantages of swing keel boats.
1. They are easy to trailer and launch
2. They are usable in lakes

The two negatives of swing keel boats
1. They have their ballast in a moving chunk of steel
2. They need some maintainence in the swing keel now and then

They arent "Quite"as good up wind as full keel boats..depending on the
design of the full keel.....that being said..a good swing keel will
sail better than a poorly designed fixed keel

http://www.goodoldboat.com/reader_se...keeldesign.php

There are a number of boats out there that have full LIFTING
keels..that lift a decent sized (and ballasted) keel designed like a
fixed keel boat using a winch..and those are quite good..but they tend
to be found on boats 30' or longer simply because they take room away
from the cabin. When you lift 4-8' of keel..it has to go in the
cabin..somewhere....

Side photos of boats with swing keels on trailer....

http://triadtrailers.com/triad-trail...t/catalina-22/

http://blaine-wa.americanlisted.com/..._22141425.html

Notice that they sit low on the trailer? The first one..still has
12" of keel below the boat even when trailered..and on many lakes in
light air (wind)..thats all you really need..that 12" sticking out.
So you can go into very shallow water. Both of my current boats have
10-12" of keel hanging below the boat when retracted so I can gunkhole
(play in shallow water) easily and still sail into the wind with some
sucess.

Fixed keel boats on trailer...

The first below..is the same boat as #1 above...just a fixed keel
version

http://www.pbase.com/sinnettc/image/100839405/large.jpg

http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/arEa/...032-44289.html

http://www.sailingtexas.com/piccatalina30va.jpg

This one...is a ballasted short keel with a swing
centerboard..probably the best for both worlds..assuming you are not a
racer

http://s174.photobucket.com/user/ewa...00048.jpg.html

they packed 1680 lbs (on that boat) in the two sides of that
centerboard housing for ballast..which works fine when you are shallow
and keeps the boat stable even in deep water..and the
centerboard/swing keel provides sideways resistance.

The most common issues with swing keel boats..is going out in salt
water..cranking the keel down..and it doesnt move. Or having it down
and at the end of the season..cranking it up..and it only comes up
part way. Barnacles and similar sea life have made the housing in the
bottom of the boat home..and have lodged that 600-1500 lb chunk of
iron in place. That seldom if ever happens in fresh water...and since
most guys trailer to fresh water, sail for the day or a week..and then
trailer back up and go home..its really a swing keel world..fresh
water. Lake sailing. Great Lakes excepted..as they are inland
freshwater seas.

Now racing...having a well designed light boat with lots of sail and a
well designed fixed keel...they point higher into the wind by several
degrees than do most (not all) swing keel boats. The C22 swing keel
I posted first..has the reputation of being every bit as fast as the
fixed keel version..and one doesnt need a crane to put in the water
and to put it back on the trailer at the end of the day.

Cruisers..people who go places... like across the ocean...have
different needs and construction is much different than racers of
course. They need a boat that is tough enough and heavy enough to hit
the high seas in the worst weather and come to land on the far side
safely.

Us lake sailers...light boats, swing keels, a good trailer, a cooler
full of sodas and brauts..a good breeze and we are happy.

Gunner




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"Owning a sailboat is like marrying a nymphomaniac. You don’t want to do that
but it is great if your best friend does. That way you get all the benefits without any of the upkeep"

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