http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

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Ignoramus20161 on Fri, 31 May
2013 20:04:39 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

3D-printing is the rage, and people are enamored of the idea you
can even print a firearm with them.

Meanwhile, the price and capacity of small "mini-mills" is coming
down, to the point where a desk top sized mill is "affordable" for the
serious "hobbyist." With one of those, it is possible to replicate a
"real" firearm, without the worry that the plastic is going to some
day catastrophically fail.



i
--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

i

It has been tested and does fire.
This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines.


--
Steve W.

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

i

It has been tested and does fire.
This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines.


But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked
one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-)

From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can
be made in any home shop for almost nothing.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

i

It has been tested and does fire.
This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines.


But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked
one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-)

From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can
be made in any home shop for almost nothing.

Some of this is the hypothetical "but they *could* do...," after which
someone points out the ubiquity of CNC machining centers and the large
size of basements in McMansions. g

Criminals and nutjobs are not likely to learn machining, metallurgy,
and programming just to build a gun. If it made any sense, they could
do that now, and ersatz grease guns would be used in 7-Eleven stickups
throughout the country.

"Printing" a gun is something else, but, as several people have
pointed out, you can make a zip gun now out of parts you can find at
Home Depot.

It's mostly wish-fulfillment and silly political argument.

--
Ed Huntress

John B. wrote in
:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...ts-community-u
pdate-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic
gun?

i

It has been tested and does fire.
This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper
machines.


But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked
one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-)

From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can
be made in any home shop for almost nothing.

How about $1300 at Staples:

http://www.staples.com/Cube-3D-Print...duct_SS2044291

You can also now get a 3D scanner for $600:

http://www.matterform.net/

Apparently one of the issues with the cheap printers is the degree to
which the layer being drawn fuses securely to the layer below. These
things are basically a CNC hot melt glue gun, and if the material laid
down in the previous pass is too cool, the next layer doesn't stick as
well as it might. The more expensive machines basically operate in an
oven, so the material doesn't cool as much between passes.

IF you decide to print a zip gun like this, I suspect the low end
printers would produce a dangerously less robust version than with a high
end printer.

Doug White

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:39:04 GMT, Doug White
wrote:

John B. wrote in
:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...ts-community-u
pdate-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic
gun?

i

It has been tested and does fire.
This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper
machines.


But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked
one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-)

From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can
be made in any home shop for almost nothing.

How about $1300 at Staples:

http://www.staples.com/Cube-3D-Print...duct_SS2044291

You can also now get a 3D scanner for $600:

http://www.matterform.net/

Apparently one of the issues with the cheap printers is the degree to
which the layer being drawn fuses securely to the layer below. These
things are basically a CNC hot melt glue gun, and if the material laid
down in the previous pass is too cool, the next layer doesn't stick as
well as it might. The more expensive machines basically operate in an
oven, so the material doesn't cool as much between passes.

IF you decide to print a zip gun like this, I suspect the low end
printers would produce a dangerously less robust version than with a high
end printer.

Doug White

Why spend $1300 when you have been able to buy a plastic 12 gauge
piston (flare gun) for many years. Or better yet make a zip gun out of
scraps, a piece of brass tubing, a bent nail, some rubber bands and a
piece of wood.



--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

i

It has been tested and does fire.
This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines.


But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked
one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-)

True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection
signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people.

From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can
be made in any home shop for almost nothing.

True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors.

The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but
a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government
acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that
the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that
the Constitution means **** to them in fact and in deed.

So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the
designers called exactly spot on.

And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call
Government is virtually helpless.

Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with
Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth.

To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills
endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to
maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist.

They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its
an empty threat.

"If you *******s dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!"

Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of
Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and
the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the
government. A propaganda coup of the century!

The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysemetrical Warfare is...and
why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such
a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against.




--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
Raid® to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

i

It has been tested and does fire.
This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines.


But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked
one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-)

True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection
signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people.

From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can
be made in any home shop for almost nothing.

True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors.


So? Make the barrel out of plastic than. The whole thing is a tempest
in a tea pot and if you are really into the machine business you know
it too. How long, and how much money, to drill a hole lengthwise
through, say a 1 inch diameter fiberglass rod, 3 inches long. Whittle
out an 'L' shaped of wood for a stock, bend a nail for the hammer and
some rubber bands for the hammer spring. I'll bet is appreciably
cheaper than the 3D printer :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

i

It has been tested and does fire.
This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines.


But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked
one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-)

True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection
signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people.

From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can
be made in any home shop for almost nothing.

True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors.

The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but
a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government
acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that
the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that
the Constitution means **** to them in fact and in deed.

So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the
designers called exactly spot on.

And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call
Government is virtually helpless.

Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with
Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth.

To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills
endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to
maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist.

They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its
an empty threat.

"If you *******s dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!"

Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of
Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and
the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the
government. A propaganda coup of the century!

The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysemetrical Warfare is...and
why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such
a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against.

The problem is that the Powers That Be -want- the bad guys to act out
so they can engage Martial Law. How many of the recent decades'
terrorist acts on US soil were devised or encouraged by our good old
fed gov't (or the powers behind it?) I'm not at all encouraged by the
results of my research along those lines.

Scary, anti-freedom concepts: New World Order, Agenda 21.

--
They must find it difficult,
those who have taken authority as truth,
rather than truth as authority.
-- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist

On 05/31/2013 06:04 PM, Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/

Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun?

i

Yes that is what happened. It never happened.
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1923777.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/24-HOUR-USAGE-ONLY-1923777.jpg
She shot herself.