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On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote:
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i |
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Ignoramus20161 on Fri, 31 May
2013 20:04:39 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? 3D-printing is the rage, and people are enamored of the idea you can even print a firearm with them. Meanwhile, the price and capacity of small "mini-mills" is coming down, to the point where a desk top sized mill is "affordable" for the serious "hobbyist." With one of those, it is possible to replicate a "real" firearm, without the worry that the plastic is going to some day catastrophically fail. i -- pyotr filipivich. Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. -- Steve W. |
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On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. Some of this is the hypothetical "but they *could* do...," after which someone points out the ubiquity of CNC machining centers and the large size of basements in McMansions. g Criminals and nutjobs are not likely to learn machining, metallurgy, and programming just to build a gun. If it made any sense, they could do that now, and ersatz grease guns would be used in 7-Eleven stickups throughout the country. "Printing" a gun is something else, but, as several people have pointed out, you can make a zip gun now out of parts you can find at Home Depot. It's mostly wish-fulfillment and silly political argument. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 05/31/2013 06:04 PM, Ignoramus20161 wrote:
On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i Yes that is what happened. It never happened. http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1923777.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/24-HOUR-USAGE-ONLY-1923777.jpg She shot herself. |
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John B. wrote in
: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...ts-community-u pdate-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. How about $1300 at Staples: http://www.staples.com/Cube-3D-Print...duct_SS2044291 You can also now get a 3D scanner for $600: http://www.matterform.net/ Apparently one of the issues with the cheap printers is the degree to which the layer being drawn fuses securely to the layer below. These things are basically a CNC hot melt glue gun, and if the material laid down in the previous pass is too cool, the next layer doesn't stick as well as it might. The more expensive machines basically operate in an oven, so the material doesn't cool as much between passes. IF you decide to print a zip gun like this, I suspect the low end printers would produce a dangerously less robust version than with a high end printer. Doug White |
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On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people. From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors. The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that the Constitution means **** to them in fact and in deed. So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the designers called exactly spot on. And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call Government is virtually helpless. Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth. To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist. They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its an empty threat. "If you *******s dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!" Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the government. A propaganda coup of the century! The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysemetrical Warfare is...and why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against. -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:39:04 GMT, Doug White
wrote: John B. wrote in : On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...ts-community-u pdate-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. How about $1300 at Staples: http://www.staples.com/Cube-3D-Print...duct_SS2044291 You can also now get a 3D scanner for $600: http://www.matterform.net/ Apparently one of the issues with the cheap printers is the degree to which the layer being drawn fuses securely to the layer below. These things are basically a CNC hot melt glue gun, and if the material laid down in the previous pass is too cool, the next layer doesn't stick as well as it might. The more expensive machines basically operate in an oven, so the material doesn't cool as much between passes. IF you decide to print a zip gun like this, I suspect the low end printers would produce a dangerously less robust version than with a high end printer. Doug White Why spend $1300 when you have been able to buy a plastic 12 gauge piston (flare gun) for many years. Or better yet make a zip gun out of scraps, a piece of brass tubing, a bent nail, some rubber bands and a piece of wood. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:11:09 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:39:04 GMT, Doug White wrote: John B. wrote in m: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...ts-community-u pdate-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. How about $1300 at Staples: http://www.staples.com/Cube-3D-Print...duct_SS2044291 You can also now get a 3D scanner for $600: http://www.matterform.net/ Apparently one of the issues with the cheap printers is the degree to which the layer being drawn fuses securely to the layer below. These things are basically a CNC hot melt glue gun, and if the material laid down in the previous pass is too cool, the next layer doesn't stick as well as it might. The more expensive machines basically operate in an oven, so the material doesn't cool as much between passes. IF you decide to print a zip gun like this, I suspect the low end printers would produce a dangerously less robust version than with a high end printer. Doug White Why spend $1300 when you have been able to buy a plastic 12 gauge piston (flare gun) for many years. Or better yet make a zip gun out of scraps, a piece of brass tubing, a bent nail, some rubber bands and a piece of wood. The plastic flare guns blow up when using rounds other than flares. Fact. And the current ones are 13 ga and 19ga ... there about..so 12ga/20ga rounds don't fit in them anymore. Zip guns are metal detectable. But dirt cheap (and avoid brass tubing..steel is the only proper material..this includes brake lines now that antennas are solid. And of course Im sure you all have seen the various "trade winds" shotguns that can be made from a piece of 3/4" black pipe and a handful of bits and pieces http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...q=pipe+shotgun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt3NuCbxSQQ And of course...make your own shotgun shells http://thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/EHF_S..._Ammo_Book.pdf Match heads work well enough for priming And then too...black powder arms are every easily made from bits and pieces. All you need to do...is to incapacitate the better armed individial..and take his good gun and ammo...and pass your weapon to the next guy in line and let him harvest his own good gun and ammo, repeat as necessary...... Those who forget history...are often forced to repeat it. Gunner -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people. From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors. So? Make the barrel out of plastic than. The whole thing is a tempest in a tea pot and if you are really into the machine business you know it too. How long, and how much money, to drill a hole lengthwise through, say a 1 inch diameter fiberglass rod, 3 inches long. Whittle out an 'L' shaped of wood for a stock, bend a nail for the hammer and some rubber bands for the hammer spring. I'll bet is appreciably cheaper than the 3D printer :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 03:03:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:11:09 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:39:04 GMT, Doug White wrote: John B. wrote in : On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...ts-community-u pdate-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. How about $1300 at Staples: http://www.staples.com/Cube-3D-Print...duct_SS2044291 You can also now get a 3D scanner for $600: http://www.matterform.net/ Apparently one of the issues with the cheap printers is the degree to which the layer being drawn fuses securely to the layer below. These things are basically a CNC hot melt glue gun, and if the material laid down in the previous pass is too cool, the next layer doesn't stick as well as it might. The more expensive machines basically operate in an oven, so the material doesn't cool as much between passes. IF you decide to print a zip gun like this, I suspect the low end printers would produce a dangerously less robust version than with a high end printer. Doug White Why spend $1300 when you have been able to buy a plastic 12 gauge piston (flare gun) for many years. Or better yet make a zip gun out of scraps, a piece of brass tubing, a bent nail, some rubber bands and a piece of wood. The plastic flare guns blow up when using rounds other than flares. Fact. You seem to lack ingenuity. the ones I've seen used for a gun had a metal insert barrel the sleeved the 12 ga. tube down to something smaller. And the current ones are 13 ga and 19ga ... there about..so 12ga/20ga rounds don't fit in them anymore. Nope, you can still buy 12 ga. flare guns. Amazon sells them http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1001010101 or West Marine http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...w#.UasvTrRH4g0 Zip guns are metal detectable. But dirt cheap (and avoid brass tubing..steel is the only proper material..this includes brake lines now that antennas are solid. Jeasus... A 3D printer can make a zip gun out of plastic but you can't? And of course Im sure you all have seen the various "trade winds" shotguns that can be made from a piece of 3/4" black pipe and a handful of bits and pieces A fairly good friend was sorta in the business of making them out of nicely polished stainless tubing and sold quite a number to yachtsmen who were heading for the Red Sea. He even built a two shot version. slam fire the first round, flip the butt section end for end and jam the barrel down on the second cartridge. But he said that one didn't sell well as it was too complicated :-) Years ago I saw one in Manila, said to have been used against the Japanese during the Big War. http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...q=pipe+shotgun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt3NuCbxSQQ And of course...make your own shotgun shells http://thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/EHF_S..._Ammo_Book.pdf Match heads work well enough for priming Sort of ridiculous, in America :-) And then too...black powder arms are every easily made from bits and pieces. All you need to do...is to incapacitate the better armed individial..and take his good gun and ammo...and pass your weapon to the next guy in line and let him harvest his own good gun and ammo, repeat as necessary...... Old hat these days. Today you get your backers to buy proper weapons. Trying to shoot a cop so you can steel his gun is dangerous. Those who forget history...are often forced to repeat it. Gunner -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote in
: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...gets-community -update-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people. From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors. So? Make the barrel out of plastic than. The whole thing is a tempest in a tea pot and if you are really into the machine business you know it too. How long, and how much money, to drill a hole lengthwise through, say a 1 inch diameter fiberglass rod, 3 inches long. Whittle out an 'L' shaped of wood for a stock, bend a nail for the hammer and some rubber bands for the hammer spring. I'll bet is appreciably cheaper than the 3D printer :-) The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better. The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them. Doug White |
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On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people. From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors. The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that the Constitution means **** to them in fact and in deed. So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the designers called exactly spot on. And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call Government is virtually helpless. Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth. To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist. They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its an empty threat. "If you *******s dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!" Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the government. A propaganda coup of the century! The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysemetrical Warfare is...and why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against. The problem is that the Powers That Be -want- the bad guys to act out so they can engage Martial Law. How many of the recent decades' terrorist acts on US soil were devised or encouraged by our good old fed gov't (or the powers behind it?) I'm not at all encouraged by the results of my research along those lines. Scary, anti-freedom concepts: New World Order, Agenda 21. -- They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority. -- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist |
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On 2013-06-02, Doug White wrote:
The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better. The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them. I personally think that it is a lot of noise for nothing. But I kept thinking farther and started wondering, can we have metal 3D printers, working on the same principle, by adding molten metal to the part precisely. It is basically the same as welding, just more directed. Then we could make steel 3D printed objects! |
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There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with. ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957) |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:20:28 -0500, Ignoramus4028
wrote: On 2013-06-02, Doug White wrote: The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better. The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them. I personally think that it is a lot of noise for nothing. But I kept thinking farther and started wondering, can we have metal 3D printers, working on the same principle, by adding molten metal to the part precisely. It is basically the same as welding, just more directed. Then we could make steel 3D printed objects! We've had "metal printers" for about 14 years (the Extrude Hone device that they showed at IMTS 2000). It lays down powdered metal with a polymer binder, and then sinters it in an oven. I don't know if they're still making it. It ain't cheap. But, given some work at Rocketdyne some years ago, for making 100% density PM parts with a polymer binder via injection molding, I think you could fancy this thing up and do amazing things with it. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:35:42 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people. From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors. So? Make the barrel out of plastic than. The whole thing is a tempest in a tea pot and if you are really into the machine business you know it too. How long, and how much money, to drill a hole lengthwise through, say a 1 inch diameter fiberglass rod, 3 inches long. Whittle out an 'L' shaped of wood for a stock, bend a nail for the hammer and some rubber bands for the hammer spring. I'll bet is appreciably cheaper than the 3D printer :-) Indeed. However..the fact of the matter...is what you snipped out of my post. "The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that the Constitution means **** to them in fact and in deed. So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the designers called exactly spot on. And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call Government is virtually helpless. Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth. To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist. They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its an empty threat. "If you *******s dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!" Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the government. A propaganda coup of the century! The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysmetrical Warfare is...and why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against." What..you didnt think it mattered or was somehow off topic and needed to be trimmed out? High explosives dont show up on metal detectors either and are made faster than 12 hours for a much bigger bang. But it doesnt put the government on notice that technology is moving faster than they can control it. The 3D gun thingy ...does. And gives the People some tools, albit primitive right now...do have a bit of hope. Which is why there have been over a million downloads ...probably far more since it was posted. Id strongly suggest one reads "The Weapons Shops of Ishtar" for the idea behind this. Gunner -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:58:12 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 03:03:53 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:11:09 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:39:04 GMT, Doug White wrote: John B. wrote in m: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...ts-community-u pdate-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. How about $1300 at Staples: http://www.staples.com/Cube-3D-Print...duct_SS2044291 You can also now get a 3D scanner for $600: http://www.matterform.net/ Apparently one of the issues with the cheap printers is the degree to which the layer being drawn fuses securely to the layer below. These things are basically a CNC hot melt glue gun, and if the material laid down in the previous pass is too cool, the next layer doesn't stick as well as it might. The more expensive machines basically operate in an oven, so the material doesn't cool as much between passes. IF you decide to print a zip gun like this, I suspect the low end printers would produce a dangerously less robust version than with a high end printer. Doug White Why spend $1300 when you have been able to buy a plastic 12 gauge piston (flare gun) for many years. Or better yet make a zip gun out of scraps, a piece of brass tubing, a bent nail, some rubber bands and a piece of wood. The plastic flare guns blow up when using rounds other than flares. Fact. You seem to lack ingenuity. the ones I've seen used for a gun had a metal insert barrel the sleeved the 12 ga. tube down to something smaller. That sleeve is what keeps the barrel from exploding in the sub calibers And the current ones are 13 ga and 19ga ... there about..so 12ga/20ga rounds don't fit in them anymore. Nope, you can still buy 12 ga. flare guns. Amazon sells them http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1001010101 or West Marine http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...w#.UasvTrRH4g0 And one can buy surplus military flare guns from WW2 and WW1. The average person doesnt know about them, quite frankly Zip guns are metal detectable. But dirt cheap (and avoid brass tubing..steel is the only proper material..this includes brake lines now that antennas are solid. Jeasus... A 3D printer can make a zip gun out of plastic but you can't? Where did you come up with that idea? You really dont know much about me...do you? And of course Im sure you all have seen the various "trade winds" shotguns that can be made from a piece of 3/4" black pipe and a handful of bits and pieces A fairly good friend was sorta in the business of making them out of nicely polished stainless tubing and sold quite a number to yachtsmen who were heading for the Red Sea. He even built a two shot version. slam fire the first round, flip the butt section end for end and jam the barrel down on the second cartridge. But he said that one didn't sell well as it was too complicated :-) Years ago I saw one in Manila, said to have been used against the Japanese during the Big War. http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...q=pipe+shotgun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt3NuCbxSQQ And of course...make your own shotgun shells http://thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/EHF_S..._Ammo_Book.pdf Match heads work well enough for priming Sort of ridiculous, in America :-) At this moment...Id agree. In 5 yrs or less? And then too...black powder arms are every easily made from bits and pieces. All you need to do...is to incapacitate the better armed individial..and take his good gun and ammo...and pass your weapon to the next guy in line and let him harvest his own good gun and ammo, repeat as necessary...... Old hat these days. Today you get your backers to buy proper weapons. Trying to shoot a cop so you can steel his gun is dangerous. Indeed it is. But we are not talking about shooting cops..but Nato troops for example. The future is uncertain. Having the tools and the ability and most importantly..the knowledge to do something, is very important. Like the knowledge of how to construct High Energy exothermic compounds and an idea of where to get the components. Think of that sort of knowlege as being part of ones first aid kit. Those who forget history...are often forced to repeat it. Gunner -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:20:28 -0500, Ignoramus4028
wrote: On 2013-06-02, Doug White wrote: The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better. The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them. I personally think that it is a lot of noise for nothing. But I kept thinking farther and started wondering, can we have metal 3D printers, working on the same principle, by adding molten metal to the part precisely. It is basically the same as welding, just more directed. Then we could make steel 3D printed objects! They are already in operation in industry. Typically they spray powdered metals which are then run through a furnace and "melted" together http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApmGFDA6ow Review the various other videos that will show up to the right side of ones screen Gunner -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:59:14 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people. From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors. The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that the Constitution means **** to them in fact and in deed. So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the designers called exactly spot on. And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call Government is virtually helpless. Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth. To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist. They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its an empty threat. "If you *******s dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!" Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the government. A propaganda coup of the century! The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysemetrical Warfare is...and why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against. The problem is that the Powers That Be -want- the bad guys to act out so they can engage Martial Law. How many of the recent decades' terrorist acts on US soil were devised or encouraged by our good old fed gov't (or the powers behind it?) I'm not at all encouraged by the results of my research along those lines. True indeed. Ive no idea either. However..that being said...the Left wants Momma Government...and the rest of us want Constitutional Government. At the moment...there is not a damned thing they can do that would not result in armed and bloody revolution. In all honesty. But as you can see by the various state governments who are pushing for more and more control of firearms..California being one of them pushing hard...really hard....who knows? The only way to stop this sort of thing from occuring in the Blue states....is the Great Cull...IE the Second American Revolution or...or the breakup of the US into red and blue parcels. All...all of which are entirely possible and very very soon. Scary, anti-freedom concepts: New World Order, Agenda 21. Some of it may be real..some of it may not. But then...one simply needs the tools and the knowlege of how to use them and when, to solve those sorts of issues. And the guts and courage to act. -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On 2013-06-02, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:20:28 -0500, Ignoramus4028 wrote: On 2013-06-02, Doug White wrote: The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better. The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them. I personally think that it is a lot of noise for nothing. But I kept thinking farther and started wondering, can we have metal 3D printers, working on the same principle, by adding molten metal to the part precisely. It is basically the same as welding, just more directed. Then we could make steel 3D printed objects! They are already in operation in industry. Typically they spray powdered metals which are then run through a furnace and "melted" together http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApmGFDA6ow Review the various other videos that will show up to the right side of ones screen I am highly impressed. Thanks |
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... On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:58:12 +0700, John B. wrote: snip Zip guns are metal detectable. But dirt cheap (and avoid brass tubing..steel is the only proper material..this includes brake lines now that antennas are solid. Jeasus... A 3D printer can make a zip gun out of plastic but you can't? Where did you come up with that idea? You really dont know much about me...do you? snip Gunner About being undetectable... Couldn't a person make a male plug of a shotgun chamber and length of barrel, apply mold release like PVA, and lay up a carbon fiber / resin barrel that would be significantly stronger than any plastics used in 3D printing? Or maybe instead of carbon fiber, Kevlar might make a stronger gun barrel, I hear you can get used Kevlar airbags from auto body repair shops, not sure it would be suitable for layups. RogerN |
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"Ignoramus4028" wrote in message ... On 2013-06-02, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:20:28 -0500, Ignoramus4028 wrote: On 2013-06-02, Doug White wrote: The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better. The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them. I personally think that it is a lot of noise for nothing. But I kept thinking farther and started wondering, can we have metal 3D printers, working on the same principle, by adding molten metal to the part precisely. It is basically the same as welding, just more directed. Then we could make steel 3D printed objects! They are already in operation in industry. Typically they spray powdered metals which are then run through a furnace and "melted" together http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApmGFDA6ow Review the various other videos that will show up to the right side of ones screen I am highly impressed. Thanks Actually there are several processes. The most primitive runs like a regular 3d printer but uses metal powder and binders instead of plastic. These are then sintered in an oven. Next class of machines can use a electron beam or a laser to sinter the metal powder directly in the machine. These still just produce a sintered product with all the limitations of a sintered product. You wouldn't want to make a gun out of oilite. Some people fill the sintered metal with molten bronze, but that is a lot more work and still inferior to wrought or even cast metal, The latest machines actually welds the powdered metal together into a solid and (reasonably) homogeneous mass. The tests I have read about show strengths similar to cast material. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...el-not-plastic However, the advantage of this process is not really in mass production, it is in making only one or a production so limited that it cannot take advantage of economies of scale. My uncle Bill once told me that back in the 60's he designed some equipment for a gun manufacturer that was investment casting revolver frames and the only machining they had to do was to tap the holes. He said they could cast them with the threads in place, but the would still have to run a tap through to clean out the investment. It will be a long time before stereolithography will even think about competing in that arena. Paul K. Dickman |
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... On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:20:28 -0500, Ignoramus4028 wrote: On 2013-06-02, Doug White wrote: The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better. The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them. I personally think that it is a lot of noise for nothing. But I kept thinking farther and started wondering, can we have metal 3D printers, working on the same principle, by adding molten metal to the part precisely. It is basically the same as welding, just more directed. Then we could make steel 3D printed objects! We've had "metal printers" for about 14 years (the Extrude Hone device that they showed at IMTS 2000). It lays down powdered metal with a polymer binder, and then sinters it in an oven. I don't know if they're still making it. It ain't cheap. But, given some work at Rocketdyne some years ago, for making 100% density PM parts with a polymer binder via injection molding, I think you could fancy this thing up and do amazing things with it. -- Ed Huntress Would an electroplating process work for this? Something like an insulated MIG gun with the plating metal fed like wire so the plating transfer is mostly in 1 spot, maybe an insulating mask to help control where the metal is deposited. Or if this could be done with a welding process, would underwater welding help control, keeping the part solid and a controlled area (right at the arc) for the puddle? A guy I used to work with once worked at a place where they designed parts, the 3D printer made wax parts that were then investment cast in stainless steel. RogerN |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:11:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:59:14 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people. From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors. The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that the Constitution means **** to them in fact and in deed. So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the designers called exactly spot on. And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call Government is virtually helpless. Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth. To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist. They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its an empty threat. "If you *******s dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!" Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the government. A propaganda coup of the century! The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysemetrical Warfare is...and why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against. The problem is that the Powers That Be -want- the bad guys to act out so they can engage Martial Law. How many of the recent decades' terrorist acts on US soil were devised or encouraged by our good old fed gov't (or the powers behind it?) I'm not at all encouraged by the results of my research along those lines. True indeed. Ive no idea either. However..that being said...the Left wants Momma Government...and the rest of us want Constitutional Government. At the moment...there is not a damned thing they can do that would not result in armed and bloody revolution. In all honesty. But as you can see by the various state governments who are pushing for more and more control of firearms..California being one of them pushing hard...really hard....who knows? The only way to stop this sort of thing from occuring in the Blue states....is the Great Cull...IE the Second American Revolution or...or the breakup of the US into red and blue parcels. All...all of which are entirely possible and very very soon. I'm betting on it. Hey, let's give the blue staters the South and maybe Alaska. (They wouldn't last long up there, y'think?) VBG The Great Cull. At first, I was wishing it wouldn't happen. I now find myself wishfully wondering when the hell it's going to start. Just as you are, I'm stocked up with rocking chairs and lemonade to wait it out on my porch. Shouldn't take but a day or two, y'reckon? -- Well, it's time to pull out those stitches. Wish me luck. Part of the reason I went to the ER is to quiz the doctor about lido. I have some 4% cream. He said the liquid lido he uses goes bad fairly quickly and needs to be refrigerated, so I couldn't bring it home. He also cautioned me about using it for large areas, such as very long cuts or burned areas. I hadn't realized it could be toxic, or even fatal, if used in large doses. He said they use limb blocks for the large cuts, like sheetmetal (or sword?) wounds. Anyway, my cream is ready for me if it's needed for five little stitches... g 3 minutes later: I had no problem with the stitches. The Ethilon slid easily out of the skin in under a minute. No blood, pain, or fuss. Debriding took a bit longer, removing old skin and scab material, so it's all ready for work again tomorrow with a fresh bandaid over it. -- They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority. -- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist |
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On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:39:22 -0500, "RogerN" wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:20:28 -0500, Ignoramus4028 wrote: On 2013-06-02, Doug White wrote: The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better. The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them. I personally think that it is a lot of noise for nothing. But I kept thinking farther and started wondering, can we have metal 3D printers, working on the same principle, by adding molten metal to the part precisely. It is basically the same as welding, just more directed. Then we could make steel 3D printed objects! We've had "metal printers" for about 14 years (the Extrude Hone device that they showed at IMTS 2000). It lays down powdered metal with a polymer binder, and then sinters it in an oven. I don't know if they're still making it. It ain't cheap. But, given some work at Rocketdyne some years ago, for making 100% density PM parts with a polymer binder via injection molding, I think you could fancy this thing up and do amazing things with it. -- Ed Huntress Would an electroplating process work for this? Something like an insulated MIG gun with the plating metal fed like wire so the plating transfer is mostly in 1 spot, maybe an insulating mask to help control where the metal is deposited. Somebody was working on a spray-deposit system when I was working at _Machining_. I don't know what became of it. There also are some laser-sintering approaches that use the intersection of two laser bearms on powdered metal to do a computer-controlled local sintering of the metal. And there is an ultrasound welding technique that welds layered foils into solid masses under computer control There probably are other things going on. There's a lot of discussion about "additive manufacturing" in the trade press. This isn't necessarily the last word, but you may find it interesting: http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufact...ufacturing.pdf Or if this could be done with a welding process, would underwater welding help control, keeping the part solid and a controlled area (right at the arc) for the puddle? Hmm. An interesting question. Are you thinking of "submerged-arc welding," by any chance? The arc isn't submerged in water. It's submerged under a pile of powdered flux. But directing welding somehow could be a possibility. I think you'll find that the really advanced methods are using lasers, sound, electron beams, etc. A guy I used to work with once worked at a place where they designed parts, the 3D printer made wax parts that were then investment cast in stainless steel. Yes, there's quite a bit of that going on now. -- Ed Huntress RogerN |
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On 6/2/2013 10:59 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Trying to shoot a cop so you can steel his gun is dangerous. Indeed it is. But we are not talking about shooting cops..but Nato troops for example. Hmmm... http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac23/benfranklinronzio/2%2520Traitors%2520Tyrants/600_UN_blue_helmet_targetST15B15D.jpg&imgrefurl=ht tp://electronzio.com/?q%3Dnode/520&h=776&w=600&sz=43&tbnid=fPd5OfQA-dcJGM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=70&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dblue%2Bhelmet%2Btargets%26tbm%3Disch% 26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=blue+helmet+targets&usg=__mHJ8I 0s7_e-D_f_5J3kBFz2Rpzk=&docid=QmJQ2jtrd5JfQM&sa=X&ei=8Y-rUe7OH-bmyQGdy4GgAg&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQ9QEwAg&dur=62 The future is uncertain. Having the tools and the ability and most importantly..the knowledge to do something, is very important. Printing an AR15 lower would be fun, but printing John Malkovich's pistol might be more fun. Like the knowledge of how to construct High Energy exothermic compounds and an idea of where to get the components. Think of that sort of knowlege as being part of ones first aid kit. Those who forget history...are often forced to repeat it. Unfortunately, those who don't forget it are also forced to repeat it. David |
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... On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:39:22 -0500, "RogerN" wrote: snip Or if this could be done with a welding process, would underwater welding help control, keeping the part solid and a controlled area (right at the arc) for the puddle? Hmm. An interesting question. Are you thinking of "submerged-arc welding," by any chance? The arc isn't submerged in water. It's submerged under a pile of powdered flux. When I try to filling in a hole are large gap welding, I run a bead, wait for it to cool a little, run another... I thought maybe underwater welding would be good for heat control. snip -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:24:52 -0500, "RogerN" wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:39:22 -0500, "RogerN" wrote: snip Or if this could be done with a welding process, would underwater welding help control, keeping the part solid and a controlled area (right at the arc) for the puddle? Hmm. An interesting question. Are you thinking of "submerged-arc welding," by any chance? The arc isn't submerged in water. It's submerged under a pile of powdered flux. When I try to filling in a hole are large gap welding, I run a bead, wait for it to cool a little, run another... I thought maybe underwater welding would be good for heat control. Well, there is such a thing as welding underwater, but I have no idea how well it can be controlled. In any case, the width of a bead from any ordinary welding is 'way too fat for the kind of resolution that can be obtained by other AM methods. It's actually very fine. -- Ed Huntress snip -- Ed Huntress |
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On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:21:55 -0500, "RogerN" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:58:12 +0700, John B. wrote: snip Zip guns are metal detectable. But dirt cheap (and avoid brass tubing..steel is the only proper material..this includes brake lines now that antennas are solid. Jeasus... A 3D printer can make a zip gun out of plastic but you can't? Where did you come up with that idea? You really dont know much about me...do you? snip Gunner About being undetectable... Couldn't a person make a male plug of a shotgun chamber and length of barrel, apply mold release like PVA, and lay up a carbon fiber / resin barrel that would be significantly stronger than any plastics used in 3D printing? Or maybe instead of carbon fiber, Kevlar might make a stronger gun barrel, I hear you can get used Kevlar airbags from auto body repair shops, not sure it would be suitable for layups. RogerN One would assume so. There are quite a number of "fiberglass" shotgun barrels on American made shotguns over the years. They have a thin steel barrel inside...almost conduit thickness...so making one up would likely be possible. Just remember you have HEAT! along with pressure and the friction of that shot column as its blown down the barrel to contend with. So you would likely get fewer shots on such a solely plastic barrel than a composite barrel before erosions and the heat did bad things to it. But that's old technology that the Far Left either doesn't know about...or pases over BECAUSE its old technology. The 3d printer puts a serious bee in their skivies because its ......High Tech! and there is not a damned thing they can do about it. And that was the goal the maker was attempting to reach. And reach it..he did. Along with his printed AR-15 lowers (the regulated part of a AR-15) and printed magazines...which are quite interesting....because if they manage to ban magazines....one can simply print your own. VBG Watching the Left scurry around trying to ban this and that is funny as hell..when folks offer up ways to bypass the Lefts greatest efforts. The Left are reactive..not thinkers in the slightest...and they are like cockroaches when the lights are turned on... Gunner -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 13:39:15 -0500, "David R. Birch"
wrote: On 6/2/2013 10:59 AM, Gunner Asch wrote: Trying to shoot a cop so you can steel his gun is dangerous. Indeed it is. But we are not talking about shooting cops..but Nato troops for example. Hmmm... http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac23/benfranklinronzio/2%2520Traitors%2520Tyrants/600_UN_blue_helmet_targetST15B15D.jpg&imgrefurl=ht tp://electronzio.com/?q%3Dnode/520&h=776&w=600&sz=43&tbnid=fPd5OfQA-dcJGM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=70&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dblue%2Bhelmet%2Btargets%26tbm%3Disch% 26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=blue+helmet+targets&usg=__mHJ8I 0s7_e-D_f_5J3kBFz2Rpzk=&docid=QmJQ2jtrd5JfQM&sa=X&ei=8Y-rUe7OH-bmyQGdy4GgAg&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQ9QEwAg&dur=62 Think of what it would be like wearing that helmet and taking a round in the side of it..from a 3006...or a 45-70. Granted..the helmet may not be punctured. But that sudden impact could snap your neck like a twig..or simply paralyzed you for life. The future is uncertain. Having the tools and the ability and most importantly..the knowledge to do something, is very important. Printing an AR15 lower would be fun, but printing John Malkovich's pistol might be more fun. And knowing that the Powers that Be know that millions of people can now print an undetectable pistol....is even more fun. VBG Like the knowledge of how to construct High Energy exothermic compounds and an idea of where to get the components. Think of that sort of knowlege as being part of ones first aid kit. Those who forget history...are often forced to repeat it. Unfortunately, those who don't forget it are also forced to repeat it. David Depends on if their enemies forget it or not. Leftwingers don't have a solid grip on history (or reality) ..unfortunately. Their constant efforts to retry Communism and Socialism again and again....simply show that they are mentally ill. "each and every time we tried this..we failed" "But it will WoRk!! da next time..oh fer sure" Knowing that they have either never learned..or ignore it...gives one a far superior ability to thwart the stooges. But...it will involve killing the leadership down to to the lowest PFC to stop em. Like gun control efforts...nearly 400 MILLION firearms in private hands in the US...and the anti-gun people think that laws are going to make them vanish? Laugh...let the killings begin. Gunner -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 10:41:38 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:11:40 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:59:14 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:23:51 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 19:29:55 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:30:59 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus20161 wrote: On 2013-06-01, Steve W. wrote: http://www.guns.com/2013/05/31/3d-pr...e-version-1-1/ Is that for a famous gun that cannot shoot, due to being a plastic gun? i It has been tested and does fire. This is actually an updated version that can be printed on cheaper machines. But how much do the "cheaper" machines cost. The last time I looked one could buy a lot of guns for the price of a 3D printer :-) True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people. From the pictures it looks like a single shot "zip-gun" and those can be made in any home shop for almost nothing. True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors. The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that the Constitution means **** to them in fact and in deed. So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the designers called exactly spot on. And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call Government is virtually helpless. Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth. To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist. They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its an empty threat. "If you *******s dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!" Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the government. A propaganda coup of the century! The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysemetrical Warfare is...and why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against. The problem is that the Powers That Be -want- the bad guys to act out so they can engage Martial Law. How many of the recent decades' terrorist acts on US soil were devised or encouraged by our good old fed gov't (or the powers behind it?) I'm not at all encouraged by the results of my research along those lines. True indeed. Ive no idea either. However..that being said...the Left wants Momma Government...and the rest of us want Constitutional Government. At the moment...there is not a damned thing they can do that would not result in armed and bloody revolution. In all honesty. But as you can see by the various state governments who are pushing for more and more control of firearms..California being one of them pushing hard...really hard....who knows? The only way to stop this sort of thing from occuring in the Blue states....is the Great Cull...IE the Second American Revolution or...or the breakup of the US into red and blue parcels. All...all of which are entirely possible and very very soon. I'm betting on it. Hey, let's give the blue staters the South and maybe Alaska. (They wouldn't last long up there, y'think?) VBG The Great Cull. At first, I was wishing it wouldn't happen. I now find myself wishfully wondering when the hell it's going to start. Just as you are, I'm stocked up with rocking chairs and lemonade to wait it out on my porch. Shouldn't take but a day or two, y'reckon? -- Well, it's time to pull out those stitches. Wish me luck. Part of the reason I went to the ER is to quiz the doctor about lido. I have some 4% cream. He said the liquid lido he uses goes bad fairly quickly and needs to be refrigerated, so I couldn't bring it home. He also cautioned me about using it for large areas, such as very long cuts or burned areas. I hadn't realized it could be toxic, or even fatal, if used in large doses. He said they use limb blocks for the large cuts, like sheetmetal (or sword?) wounds. Anyway, my cream is ready for me if it's needed for five little stitches... g 3 minutes later: I had no problem with the stitches. The Ethilon slid easily out of the skin in under a minute. No blood, pain, or fuss. Debriding took a bit longer, removing old skin and scab material, so it's all ready for work again tomorrow with a fresh bandaid over it. You have just earned your Survivalist Neophyte First Aid Badge. Next step up is putting in your own stitches (if really needed) and determining if they are Really Needed. Gunner -- "You guess the truth hurts? Really? "Hurt" aint the word. For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug. Sunlight to a vampire. Raid® to a cockroach. Sheriff Brody to a shark Bush to a Liberal The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their dick as a brake. They HATE the truth." |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 15:35:42 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 10:41:38 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Well, it's time to pull out those stitches. Wish me luck. Part of the reason I went to the ER is to quiz the doctor about lido. I have some 4% cream. He said the liquid lido he uses goes bad fairly quickly and needs to be refrigerated, so I couldn't bring it home. He also cautioned me about using it for large areas, such as very long cuts or burned areas. I hadn't realized it could be toxic, or even fatal, if used in large doses. He said they use limb blocks for the large cuts, like sheetmetal (or sword?) wounds. Anyway, my cream is ready for me if it's needed for five little stitches... g 3 minutes later: I had no problem with the stitches. The Ethilon slid easily out of the skin in under a minute. No blood, pain, or fuss. Debriding took a bit longer, removing old skin and scab material, so it's all ready for work again tomorrow with a fresh bandaid over it. You have just earned your Survivalist Neophyte First Aid Badge. Tendjewberrymud. Next step up is putting in your own stitches (if really needed) and determining if they are Really Needed. I still feel they were necessary. I don't mind closing a 1/8" gap on meat, and have done so several times. But the 3/16" gap on flappy skin which stretched open every time I closed my hand was too wide to safely butterfly shut. I have sutures for the future, when needed. They're also Ethilon, so they have no real expiration date like the flighty silk suture does. They pull out quite easily, too, I found out. Me -like- that. g -- They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority. -- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... The problem is that the Powers That Be -want- the bad guys to act out so they can engage Martial Law. How many of the recent decades' terrorist acts on US soil were devised or encouraged by our good old fed gov't (or the powers behind it?) I'm not at all encouraged by the results of my research along those lines. Scary, anti-freedom concepts: New World Order, Agenda 21. Do you think those 2nd-rate labor lawyers are really dumb and arrogant enough to play Game of Thrones against military officers who have practiced oriental politics in Iraq and Afghanistan? Undo the rule of law and the strong and bold will take over, while the Left is still arguing over a vegan menu. |
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On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:51:14 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . The problem is that the Powers That Be -want- the bad guys to act out so they can engage Martial Law. How many of the recent decades' terrorist acts on US soil were devised or encouraged by our good old fed gov't (or the powers behind it?) I'm not at all encouraged by the results of my research along those lines. Scary, anti-freedom concepts: New World Order, Agenda 21. Do you think those 2nd-rate labor lawyers are really dumb and arrogant enough to play Game of Thrones against military officers who have practiced oriental politics in Iraq and Afghanistan? Undo the rule of law and the strong and bold will take over, while the Left is still arguing over a vegan menu. Yeah. They always have. shrug (Game of Thrones? teevee?) -- They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority. -- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist |
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Larry Jaques wrote: 3 minutes later: I had no problem with the stitches. The Ethilon slid easily out of the skin in under a minute. No blood, pain, or fuss. Debriding took a bit longer, removing old skin and scab material, so it's all ready for work again tomorrow with a fresh bandaid over it. Wimp! :) I use these foam sanding blocks to remove dead skin. If I don't, it cracks & tears the old wounds open. http://www.harborfreight.com/pack-of-10-fine-grade-aluminum-oxide-sanding-sponges-46753.html |
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 21:14:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: 3 minutes later: I had no problem with the stitches. The Ethilon slid easily out of the skin in under a minute. No blood, pain, or fuss. Debriding took a bit longer, removing old skin and scab material, so it's all ready for work again tomorrow with a fresh bandaid over it. Wimp! :) I use these foam sanding blocks to remove dead skin. If I don't, it cracks & tears the old wounds open. http://www.harborfreight.com/pack-of-10-fine-grade-aluminum-oxide-sanding-sponges-46753.html Well, DOH! Whaddya think I used? Medium grit works best. -- They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority. -- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 21:14:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: 3 minutes later: I had no problem with the stitches. The Ethilon slid easily out of the skin in under a minute. No blood, pain, or fuss. Debriding took a bit longer, removing old skin and scab material, so it's all ready for work again tomorrow with a fresh bandaid over it. Wimp! :) I use these foam sanding blocks to remove dead skin. If I don't, it cracks & tears the old wounds open. http://www.harborfreight.com/pack-of-10-fine-grade-aluminum-oxide-sanding-sponges-46753.html Well, DOH! Whaddya think I used? Medium grit works best. -- They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority. -- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist I use the medium grit on my feet. They get some real callouses that split. -- Steve W. |
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