On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:23:46 -0600, Frnak McKenney
wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to rec.crafts.metalworking.]

Second attempt... apologies for any duplicate postings that appear.

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 08:24:01 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:33:41 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude
wrote:

George Plimpton wrote in talk.politics.guns :

On 3/5/2013 8:18 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

[...]

MORE ad hominem!

Very clearly, klauschen, you reveal you don't know what the term
means.

Even more clearly, you reveal your ignorance. Should I look up the
definition for you?

Oh, please do. We've been telling you to look it up in order to save
yourself further embarrassment.

You'll find it under "informal fallacies" if you find a book on
logic and actually read it.


At the risk of disrupting a long-running volley-counter-volley, I'd
like to slip a plug in here for one of my favorite books on that
particular topic:

Fallacy: The Counterfeit of Argument
W. Ward Fearnside, William B. Holther
http://www.amazon.com/Fallacy-Counterfeit-Argument-Ward-Fearrnside/dp/B000KJ9KBQ/

I'm disappointed that Dover never picked up this one.

That looks like a good one. I hope it puts sufficient emphasis on the
misuse of deductive reasoning, and particularly logical inference in
argument, based on the incompleteness of most premises.

When we try to argue from logic on big issues, we almost never have
complete premises. So we get a conclusion that follows the rules of
logic but which is complete nonsense.

It's one of the most common failings of argument in places like this
one.


( If, by some miracle, this posting actually gets throguh, it says
that today's snow and rain only dropped trees across the power lines
three times instead of four. Or more. Grumph! )

We were supposed to get three wet inches. We have about six. It was
supposed to stop early this morning. It's still snowing now.

Ugh. I expect power outages at any moment.

--
Ed Huntress



Frank McKenney
--
We will never make the world a safer place by sticking on more labels
that say "WARNING: Pastry filling may be hot when heated," or "NOTE:
Superman cape does not enable wearer to fly." If we encumber every
routine with legalistic safety features, it will simply tempt people to
disable them in pursuit of flow, even to commit extrava- gantly risky
acts in protest at petifogging regulations. Since error is
intrinsically human, the pursuit of safety must also recognize and
reward some subtle human qualities: conscientiousness, companionship,
pride in good work, respect given and earned. These are not on the
checklist, but every successful program -- on land, sea, or air --
depends on their help. A "safety culture" _is_ a culture, not a rule
book.
-- Michael and Ellen Kaplan / Bozo Sapiens: Why to Err is Human