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Copper cable going into the floor, cannot be pulled out
I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two
compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? |
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On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:54:06 PM UTC-6, Ignoramus5974 wrote:
I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Where was the outside transformer? On a pole, or on a cement pad? |
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Ignoramus5974 wrote:
I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. -- Steve W. |
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"Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. Wire that heavy was likely pulled in with a tractor or forklift. If you think the wire is that valuable and the building is coming down use a jack hammer to bust the concrete. |
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On 2013-02-27, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"Steve W." wrote: Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. Wire that heavy was likely pulled in with a tractor or forklift. If you think the wire is that valuable and the building is coming down use a jack hammer to bust the concrete. I may do this just to see where it is going, to find the direction.. i |
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On 2013-02-27, Steve W. wrote:
Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. My thinking goes in a little bit different direction. This building has a huge parking lot. Maybe it goes to that parking lot. The problem is that I cannot find any other panel that takes similar cables going in. i |
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"Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... On 2013-02-27, Steve W. wrote: Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. My thinking goes in a little bit different direction. This building has a huge parking lot. Maybe it goes to that parking lot. The problem is that I cannot find any other panel that takes similar cables going in. i Could this possibly be the ground wire for the electrical panel? This could go to a grounding plate, grounding rod, rebar in the slab, structural steel post, copper wire in the slab, etc. |
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"anorton" wrote in message m... "Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... On 2013-02-27, Steve W. wrote: Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. My thinking goes in a little bit different direction. This building has a huge parking lot. Maybe it goes to that parking lot. The problem is that I cannot find any other panel that takes similar cables going in. i Could this possibly be the ground wire for the electrical panel? This could go to a grounding plate, grounding rod, rebar in the slab, structural steel post, copper wire in the slab, etc. Never mind. Just noticed you said 4 conductors, so this would not be a ground wire. |
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On 2013-02-27, anorton wrote:
"Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... On 2013-02-27, Steve W. wrote: Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. My thinking goes in a little bit different direction. This building has a huge parking lot. Maybe it goes to that parking lot. The problem is that I cannot find any other panel that takes similar cables going in. i Could this possibly be the ground wire for the electrical panel? This could go to a grounding plate, grounding rod, rebar in the slab, structural steel post, copper wire in the slab, etc. No, there are four separate conductors. i |
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"Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... On 2013-02-27, anorton wrote: "Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... On 2013-02-27, Steve W. wrote: Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. My thinking goes in a little bit different direction. This building has a huge parking lot. Maybe it goes to that parking lot. The problem is that I cannot find any other panel that takes similar cables going in. i Could this possibly be the ground wire for the electrical panel? This could go to a grounding plate, grounding rod, rebar in the slab, structural steel post, copper wire in the slab, etc. No, there are four separate conductors. ?????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????? ????????????? ??????? ??????? ???????? ?? ???????????????, ??????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????, ??????? ????????? ? a13kv + promary / Jerk ??????, numbnutz ... ????????, killfiling ???? ????? ????? ????, ??????? ?? ??????? ?? ??? ???? ?????, ?????? ???????? ?? probaby ?????. ???? ?????. |
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On 2/26/2013 10:47 PM, Ignoramus5974 wrote:
On 2013-02-27, wrote: lid wrote in message ... On 2013-02-27, Steve wrote: Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. My thinking goes in a little bit different direction. This building has a huge parking lot. Maybe it goes to that parking lot. The problem is that I cannot find any other panel that takes similar cables going in. i Could this possibly be the ground wire for the electrical panel? This could go to a grounding plate, grounding rod, rebar in the slab, structural steel post, copper wire in the slab, etc. No, there are four separate conductors. i 3 phase + ground? |
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Four conductor ground? Not likely.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "anorton" wrote in message m... "Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. Could this possibly be the ground wire for the electrical panel? This could go to a grounding plate, grounding rod, rebar in the slab, structural steel post, copper wire in the slab, etc. |
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On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:38:33 -0600, Ignoramus5974
wrote: On 2013-02-27, Steve W. wrote: Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. My thinking goes in a little bit different direction. This building has a huge parking lot. Maybe it goes to that parking lot. The problem is that I cannot find any other panel that takes similar cables going in. i It may be part of the original wiring and at one time it was abandoned. That happens a lot with difficult to pull wiring. The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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Ignoramus5974 wrote:
My thinking goes in a little bit different direction. This building has a huge parking lot. Maybe it goes to that parking lot. The problem is that I cannot find any other panel that takes similar cables going in. One possibility is that the other end of the conduit sprouted from the floor a long time ago, and was cut off and floor repoured over that, filling the end of the conduit with concrete. If the end you have access to was connected to breakers, this is less likely, but could still happen. 2-ought seems a bit big to feed some lights in a parking lot, but could be if there was something bigger out there. Jon |
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On 2/26/2013 9:49 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Well you might get lucky. Take an ohm meter and check for continuity between any of the conductors and ground or each other. If you find a good path grab a compass and connect up a low voltage DC source (12 volt battery works well for this) to the conductive path with a self resetting breaker. Now with the breaker tripping follow the compass which will be going crazy with the magnetic field around the copper. This is the same way the "short finder" kits for auto wiring works. The problem with that is that the cable is in conduit, which acts as a magnetic shield Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. Same problem. Bob |
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The cable has to come up some where... and that some where should have a
cable tone that is detectable. OP can mix up some orange Tang, and pump that into the conduit. Go around and look for the orange stain. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... The problem with that is that the cable is in conduit, which acts as a magnetic shield Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. Same problem. Bob |
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On 28/02/2013 01:47, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The cable has to come up some where... and that some where should have a cable tone that is detectable. OP can mix up some orange Tang, and pump that into the conduit. Go around and look for the orange stain. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... The problem with that is that the cable is in conduit, which acts as a magnetic shield Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. Same problem. Bob I had to google "orange tang"! Compressed air down the conduit might make a hiss at the other end too. |
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When I was a kid, I think that was one of the
foods that astronauts consumed. Along with space food sticks. I havn't seen space food sticks in decades, but I do drink orange Tang, even to this day. Had some yesterday. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Dennis" wrote in message . au... OP can mix up some orange Tang, and pump that into the conduit. Go around and look for the orange stain. I had to google "orange tang"! Compressed air down the conduit might make a hiss at the other end too. |
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On Feb 28, 12:09*am, Dennis wrote:
On 28/02/2013 01:47, Stormin Mormon wrote: The cable has to come up some where... and that some where should have a cable tone that is detectable. OP can mix up some orange Tang, and pump that into the conduit. Go around and look for the orange stain. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus * *www.lds.org .. "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... The problem with that is that the cable is in conduit, which acts as a magnetic shield Another method would be a signal injector and it's tracking receiver. Same problem. Bob I had to google "orange tang"! Compressed air down the conduit might make a hiss at the other end too. Put a lot of water into the conduit first (since its all going to demo anyway). Then when you follow-up with the air compressor, you can see what panel or light post or whatever splashed-out with water, instead trying to listen and guess where everything is. |
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On 02/27/2013 09:09 PM, Dennis wrote:
I had to google "orange tang"! It makes a fine drink when you're in space. Jon |
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Ignoramus5974 wrote:
I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? How about hooking up a compressor and listen for the air escaping the other end? |
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On 2/27/2013 12:13 AM, StephenB wrote:
How about hooking up a compressor and listen for the air escaping the other end? Oh ... I like that! Good thinking-outside-the-box. Going with that idea and if you are positively, absolutely, unequivocally certain that there is no power anywhe use water (stick a hose in the conduit). Bob |
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On Feb 27, 12:13*am, StephenB wrote:
Ignoramus5974 wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? How about hooking up a compressor and listen for the air escaping the other end ? Well, those are un-necessary costs. Just be there with the demo guy or give him your number. (especially if no one has a copy of the original prints - which most counties are supposed to). |
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On Feb 27, 12:13*am, StephenB wrote:
How about hooking up a compressor and listen for the air escaping the other end *? I mean, in demo, I've heard of filling the conduit up with red dyle and water, and blowing it out of what panel it leads to, but yeah. If the compressor is yours for a day, anyway. But #2 wire probably won't pay for the operation, like that 500 would. (gimping 500 wire is where you really start to put your money on) |
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:57:54 -0800 (PST), Transition Zone
wrote: On Feb 27, 12:13*am, StephenB wrote: How about hooking up a compressor and listen for the air escaping the other end *? I mean, in demo, I've heard of filling the conduit up with red dyle and water, and blowing it out of what panel it leads to, but yeah. If the compressor is yours for a day, anyway. But #2 wire probably won't pay for the operation, like that 500 would. (gimping 500 wire is where you really start to put your money on) He said it was 2/0, four lead cable. Worth in the neighborhood of 4 dollars a foot. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Copper cable going into the floor, cannot be pulled out
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:54:06 -0600, Ignoramus5974
wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Could they be the feed from the power company pole to the meter? The power company may have disconnected the power at the pole. |
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If it is not the power feed, I vote for the air compressor idea. I have used toner/tracers for years, and they are SHORT range even when not in conduit. If you have a friend with Miss Utility, they will have 38 Khz gear more suited, but.... The air will either announce itself or if it's no-flow, you can guess the destination is buried and forgotten. Chisel up enough floor to see the direction is another thought. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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David Lesher wrote: If it is not the power feed, I vote for the air compressor idea. I have used toner/tracers for years, and they are SHORT range even when not in conduit. If you have a friend with Miss Utility, they will have 38 Khz gear more suited, but.... The air will either announce itself or if it's no-flow, you can guess the destination is buried and forgotten. Chisel up enough floor to see the direction is another thought. That was why I suggested a jackhammer. |
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:13:14 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote: If it is not the power feed, I vote for the air compressor idea. I have used toner/tracers for years, and they are SHORT range Ive used them up to 300 feet with no issues. even when not in conduit. If you have a friend with Miss Utility, they will have 38 Khz gear more suited, but.... The air will either announce itself or if it's no-flow, you can guess the destination is buried and forgotten. Chisel up enough floor to see the direction is another thought. The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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Gunner writes:
I have used toner/tracers for years, and they are SHORT range Ive used them up to 300 feet with no issues. Not range along the wire; range at right angles to it, when it is 8" down in conduit. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:54:06 -0600, Ignoramus5974
wrote: I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? The basic kit is all you need. Just a toner and a receiver http://www.wisecomponents.com/storec.../cableloc.html http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trks...nkw=wire+toner They are all over Ebay for $30 or so . Got a electronics supply house close by? Go snag one and hook the toner to one end of your wire..and start hitting ever box, terminal and conductor you can find with the wand. When you hear the noise...you can start narrowing your search. Also check outside. There may..may be a vault outside with a transformer in it that it goes to. Gunner The methodology of the left has always been: 1. Lie 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie |
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"Ignoramus5974" wrote in message
... I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Butt another Free Bidniss Consult toward the bottom line of Ig's Bidniss: RF ringers, a dime a dozen, in Radio Shack iffin you want ot overpay. Ig, when are you going to at least TIP RCM?? -- EA |
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"Existential Angst" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Butt another Free Bidniss Consult toward the bottom line of Ig's Bidniss: He can't tie his shoe laces without asking a bunch of silly questions on usenet. |
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"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
news:BvCdnZhJYukTHLPMnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Existential Angst" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Butt another Free Bidniss Consult toward the bottom line of Ig's Bidniss: He can't tie his shoe laces without asking a bunch of silly questions on usenet. ================================================== == Ahm tellinya, we should be paid. Did you see the post where, iiuc, he bought at an auction, and was tryna flip on RCM cuz he didn't want to pick the **** up hisself?? goodgawd..... I mean, sheeit, iffin yer gonna plague the group with endless Q's benefitting yer bidniss, you should throw people a bone... he was looking to triple his money on an auction flip. -- EA |
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On 2013-02-28, Existential Angst wrote:
"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message news:BvCdnZhJYukTHLPMnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Existential Angst" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Butt another Free Bidniss Consult toward the bottom line of Ig's Bidniss: He can't tie his shoe laces without asking a bunch of silly questions on usenet. ================================================= === Ahm tellinya, we should be paid. Did you see the post where, iiuc, he bought at an auction, and was tryna flip on RCM cuz he didn't want to pick the **** up hisself?? goodgawd..... I mean, sheeit, iffin yer gonna plague the group with endless Q's benefitting yer bidniss, you should throw people a bone... he was looking to triple his money on an auction flip. I picked it up, made five times the money elsewhere, and sold it for almost twice what I asked here. It was a good deal. i |
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"Ignoramus15027" wrote in message
... On 2013-02-28, Existential Angst wrote: "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message news:BvCdnZhJYukTHLPMnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Existential Angst" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus5974" wrote in message ... I entered into a business transaction of the sort "you buy two compressors and whatever else you find in the building, including wiring, for $500". The building, a former car body shop, is to be demolished next week. Today we took out a lot of wiring, including one inch copper mains cables, and a 15 HP I-R T30 compressor and a 5 HP quincy compressor. Pulled a lot of cable from the walls also. The cables pull, once we released their "other ends" in their respective panels. But here's a problem: one of the cables, I am guessing 2-0 gauge, four conductors, is going into the conduit in the floor concrete. We cannot find the panel that they are going to and we cannot pull them out, as they are attached on their other ends. I am beginning to think that perhaps they are extremely long and valuable. Is there some low-tech way to trace where that conduit is going? Butt another Free Bidniss Consult toward the bottom line of Ig's Bidniss: He can't tie his shoe laces without asking a bunch of silly questions on usenet. ================================================ ==== Ahm tellinya, we should be paid. Did you see the post where, iiuc, he bought at an auction, and was tryna flip on RCM cuz he didn't want to pick the **** up hisself?? goodgawd..... I mean, sheeit, iffin yer gonna plague the group with endless Q's benefitting yer bidniss, you should throw people a bone... he was looking to triple his money on an auction flip. I picked it up, made five times the money elsewhere, and sold it for almost twice what I asked here. It was a good deal. You are the bizzy li'l merchant. Don't forget to tip RCM. -- EA i |
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On 2/27/2013 7:24 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
wrote in message news:BvCdnZhJYukTHLPMnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Existential wrote in message ... Butt another Free Bidniss Consult toward the bottom line of Ig's Bidniss: He can't tie his shoe laces without asking a bunch of silly questions on usenet. ================================================== == Ahm tellinya, we should be paid. Did you see the post where, iiuc, he bought at an auction, and was tryna flip on RCM cuz he didn't want to pick the **** up hisself?? goodgawd..... I mean, sheeit, iffin yer gonna plague the group with endless Q's benefitting yer bidniss, you should throw people a bone... he was looking to triple his money on an auction flip. I find Iggy's posts of his adventures in the surplus/auction business interesting. Certainly much more so than the endless guns and politics crap. But the guns and politics crap gets ignored (I don't feel that I would contribute anything by complaining about it). And his posts are easily read - I don't find his spelling and grammar to be a challenge (is "bidness" an attempt at humor, mock-redneck style, or just plain redneck laziness?). As far as "... endless Q's benefitting [sic] yer [sic] bidniss [sic] ....", no one has to answer, just as no one has to answer endless OT questions about water heaters. Bob |
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"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message
... On 2/27/2013 7:24 PM, Existential Angst wrote: wrote in message news:BvCdnZhJYukTHLPMnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Existential wrote in message ... Butt another Free Bidniss Consult toward the bottom line of Ig's Bidniss: He can't tie his shoe laces without asking a bunch of silly questions on usenet. ================================================== == Ahm tellinya, we should be paid. Did you see the post where, iiuc, he bought at an auction, and was tryna flip on RCM cuz he didn't want to pick the **** up hisself?? goodgawd..... I mean, sheeit, iffin yer gonna plague the group with endless Q's benefitting yer bidniss, you should throw people a bone... he was looking to triple his money on an auction flip. I find Iggy's posts of his adventures in the surplus/auction business interesting. Certainly much more so than the endless guns and politics crap. But the guns and politics crap gets ignored (I don't feel that I would contribute anything by complaining about it). And his posts are easily read - I don't find his spelling and grammar to be a challenge (is "bidness" an attempt at humor, mock-redneck style, or just plain redneck laziness?). I see that it taxes your reading comprehension..... As far as "... endless Q's benefitting [sic] yer [sic] bidniss [sic] ...", no one has to answer, just as no one has to answer endless OT questions about water heaters. I take it you lernt nothing about water heaters in that thread, including the notion of anodic protection of metals, electronic anodic protection, pressure relief, etc? . Y'all need to start wearing panties that don't bunch up so tight -- methinks it's cutting off circulation.... -- EA Bob |
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