On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.

Just on principle, I'm shying away from the communist stuff where
possible. This stuff is for personal use so don't need to worry about the
good stuff walking off.

What's your take on those digital indicators other than you might as well
tape over the last couple digits as they can't possible be accurate or
meaningful?

On Feb 3, 2:27*pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.

Just on principle, I'm shying away from the communist stuff where
possible. This stuff is for personal use so don't need to worry about the
good stuff walking off.

What's your take on those digital indicators other than you might as well
tape over the last couple digits as they can't possible be accurate or
meaningful?


See anything in the pictures that would give you accuracy in the
millions if setup and used properly?

http://s636.beta.photobucket.com/use...ml?sort=3&o=31

http://s636.beta.photobucket.com/use...ml?sort=3&o=29

Think Gunners **** hole shop has any tools like these?

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On Feb 3, 2:27*pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.

Just on principle, I'm shying away from the communist stuff where
possible. This stuff is for personal use so don't need to worry about the
good stuff walking off.

What's your take on those digital indicators other than you might as well
tape over the last couple digits as they can't possible be accurate or
meaningful?

Third request for you to post a link to a website that does a better
job than they do on telling it like it is when it comes to test
indicators.

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:27?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.

Just on principle, I'm shying away from the communist stuff where
possible. This stuff is for personal use so don't need to worry about the
good stuff walking off.

What's your take on those digital indicators other than you might as well
tape over the last couple digits as they can't possible be accurate or
meaningful?

Third request for you to post a link to a website that does a better
job than they do on telling it like it is when it comes to test
indicators.

I already did. I'm interested in products that were made after WWII, from
companies still in business and that still sell products. Your friend's
sad, dusty old website does none of that.

Speaking of sad and dusty, wipe off your cell phone camera before taking
crooked, smudgy photos of instruments. I think you posted some links about
how to how to take a photo. You should review that site again before
spewing more worthless nonsense.

On Feb 3, 4:51*pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:27?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.

Just on principle, I'm shying away from the communist stuff where
possible. This stuff is for personal use so don't need to worry about the
good stuff walking off.

What's your take on those digital indicators other than you might as well
tape over the last couple digits as they can't possible be accurate or
meaningful?

Third request for you to post a link to a website that does a better
job than they do on telling it like it is when it comes to test
indicators.

I already did. I'm interested in products that were made after WWII, from
companies still in business and that still sell products. Your friend's
sad, dusty old website does none of that.

Speaking of sad and dusty, wipe off your cell phone camera before taking
crooked, smudgy photos of instruments. I think you posted some links about
how to how to take a photo. You should review that site again before
spewing more worthless nonsense.

I now see why Precision Machinist thinks you're an idiot.

On Feb 3, 2:27*pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.

Just on principle, I'm shying away from the communist stuff where
possible. This stuff is for personal use so don't need to worry about the
good stuff walking off.

What's your take on those digital indicators other than you might as well
tape over the last couple digits as they can't possible be accurate or
meaningful?

Back in the sixties what did Moore Special Tool Company use instead of
dial indicators to check mechanical accuracy?

You have never read Foundations Of Mechanical Accuracy by Wayne Moore
have you? Maybe you should.

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:27:33 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.

Just on principle, I'm shying away from the communist stuff where
possible. This stuff is for personal use so don't need to worry about the
good stuff walking off.

Lots of that stuff comes from good old Capitalist Taiwan. Just a heads
up.
And if buying stuff from Chicom China is an issue...its gonna be
damned tough to live in deer skins and on horseback.....

What's your take on those digital indicators other than you might as well
tape over the last couple digits as they can't possible be accurate or
meaningful?

Which digital indicators? Ive got Tesla, Ive got Brown & Sharpe
(made in China) and a bunch of other digital indicators of all types
made in Switzerland, England, etc etc. Some US made..some China made
(Including Fowler btw)

Most digitals are accurate. In most cases as accurate if not more than
mechanical, no matter where its made.

Shrug

Gunner




The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:27:33 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

jon_banquer wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:10?pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
What's the real definition of "shockproof" and "nonshock" as seen on
test indicators?

Forget that nonsense.

Read this site. It's honest and it will help you understand what you
should buy:

http://longislandindicator.com/

they don't explain it either.

If you condense everything on that site into one sentence it's

"anything product we can't service is junk". It's a bizarre website with
strange mixed messages.

Once you rule out chinese and dubiously rebadged stuff, dial indicators
seem to come from mitutoyo, starrett, mahr federal and teclock, and the
prices seem to vary widely and I'm trying to figure out why.

I have a teclock and mitutoyo 1" travel 0.001" indicators. There really
doesn't seem to be much of a difference between them. Neither feel cheap
or like works of art and both came with impressive amounts of meaningless
paperwork in the boxes. Neither would be worth fixing if they fell on
the floor, so service is not an issue for stuff like this, at least to me.

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.

Just on principle, I'm shying away from the communist stuff where
possible. This stuff is for personal use so don't need to worry about the
good stuff walking off.

Lots of that stuff comes from good old Capitalist Taiwan. Just a heads
up.
And if buying stuff from Chicom China is an issue...its gonna be
damned tough to live in deer skins and on horseback.....

Unless I'm buying them in person, there's not really a good way to tell
something is from china or taiwan. Unless it's marked made somewhere else,
you just don't know. The only clue might be price. Mitutoyo has stuff
coming out of south america, I have no idea about it's quality other than
my magnetic indicator stand from there demagnetized itself while in the
off position. Mitutoyo did replace it though.

What's your take on those digital indicators other than you might as well
tape over the last couple digits as they can't possible be accurate or
meaningful?

Which digital indicators? Ive got Tesla, Ive got Brown & Sharpe
(made in China) and a bunch of other digital indicators of all types
made in Switzerland, England, etc etc. Some US made..some China made
(Including Fowler btw)

Most digitals are accurate. In most cases as accurate if not more than
mechanical, no matter where its made.

Ok.

I'm going to get a couple more, and the price between analog and digital
is about the same for the non communist stuff. The major differences I see
are the digital units for at least mahr and mitutoyo are much thicker than
the mechanical ones, and I'm not sure about what angle you can really view
them at. Again, I've never handled one is person so I have no idea what's
going to show up if I order one.

Gunner wrote:

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.


Or give them to that crazy guy that keeps the machinery running for
them for parts.

On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 21:23:39 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

I have a Fowler tenths indicator..and they couldnt service it for less
than the price of a new one. And it was NOS. It came busted.

I service machinery in machine shops daily..and I find a ****load of
Peacock and other Chinese brands in daily use in them. They work fine.
They may or may not last as long as a Mity...but they cost 1/4th as
much and when they go tits up in 2-4 yrs..toss em into the ****can and
get another one from the office.


Or give them to that crazy guy that keeps the machinery running for
them for parts.

I had a 5 gallon bucket filled with such a couple months ago. I was
passing them out to anyone who wanted one. Still have a shoe box
full. Want one?

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie