When did the right to bear arms to protect the state from
invasion, become the right to bear arms to protect the
person/property from an internal (to the state) threat.

Actually, you have the order backwards. It's ALWAYS been the right of the
people to protect themselves from government gone bad.

Most of our elected representatives (who now call themselves Our Nations
Leaders) ignore this historical fact.

The 2nd Ammendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from
infringing the God-given right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the
right has already been severely infringed, does not change that the
government is prohibited from doing so.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Why are people so cruel" wrote in message
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When did the right to bear arms to protect the state from
invasion, become the right to bear arms to protect the
person/property from an internal (to the state) threat.

On 7/21/2012 5:07 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Actually, you have the order backwards. It's ALWAYS been the right of the
people to protect themselves from government gone bad.

Most of our elected representatives (who now call themselves Our Nations
Leaders) ignore this historical fact.

The 2nd Ammendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from
infringing the God-given right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the
right has already been severely infringed, does not change that the
government is prohibited from doing so.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"god given right to keep and bear arms" -????? you must be out of your
mind. which one of the ten commandments says "I, your god, grant you
the right to carry weaponry that will be invented 2,000 years from now
so you can kill your fellow man more easily"?? you are certainly on
thin ground even with your distorted view of god when you choose to make
up stuff that was never said in any biblical or rabbinical text, nor in
the book of Mormon, nor in the Quaran, nor in the Analects of Confucius.
You know what your god does to people who lie about her, you must start
your repentance immediately



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a friend on Sun, 22 Jul 2012
13:31:31 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 7/21/2012 5:07 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Actually, you have the order backwards. It's ALWAYS been the right of the
people to protect themselves from government gone bad.

Most of our elected representatives (who now call themselves Our Nations
Leaders) ignore this historical fact.

The 2nd Ammendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from
infringing the God-given right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the
right has already been severely infringed, does not change that the
government is prohibited from doing so.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"god given right to keep and bear arms" -????? you must be out of your
mind. which one of the ten commandments says "I, your god, grant you
the right to carry weaponry that will be invented 2,000 years from now
so you can kill your fellow man more easily"?? you are certainly on
thin ground even with your distorted view of god when you choose to make
up stuff that was never said in any biblical or rabbinical text, nor in
the book of Mormon, nor in the Quaran, nor in the Analects of Confucius.
You know what your god does to people who lie about her, you must start
your repentance immediately


Okay, so you have no rights inherent in your being, they were all
granted by you by the government.. We can understand how you might
come to believe that. It fits right into the rest of your pattern of
ignorance.

tschus
pyotr

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"And Art is art, and east is east and west is west, and if you take rubbarb
and stew it like prunes, it will taste more like raspberries than cauliflower.
Now you tell me what you know." Groucho Marx

On Jul 21, 8:07*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

The 2nd Ammendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from
infringing the God-given right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the

Is that what they teach at Mormon Sunday school? Seriously?

I've never heard gun control taught, or discussed at church. So, no.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Jul 21, 8:07 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

The 2nd Ammendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from
infringing the God-given right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the

Is that what they teach at Mormon Sunday school? Seriously?

On 7/21/2012 8:07 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Actually, you have the order backwards. It's ALWAYS been the right of the
people to protect themselves from government gone bad.

Most of our elected representatives (who now call themselves Our Nations
Leaders) ignore this historical fact.

The 2nd Ammendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from
infringing the God-given right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the
right has already been severely infringed, does not change that the
government is prohibited from doing so.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

You've got it all wrong! You're referring to the OLD constitution. The
Democrats are just now preparing the draft of the NEW AND IMPROVED
Constitution. It won't have all that silliness in it.

-Bill

Bill Drit wrote:

On 7/21/2012 8:07 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
? Actually, you have the order backwards. It's ALWAYS been the right of the
? people to protect themselves from government gone bad.
?
? Most of our elected representatives (who now call themselves Our Nations
? Leaders) ignore this historical fact.
?
? The 2nd Ammendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from
? infringing the God-given right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the
? right has already been severely infringed, does not change that the
? government is prohibited from doing so.
?
? Christopher A. Young
? Learn more about Jesus
? www.lds.org

You've got it all wrong! You're referring to the OLD constitution. The
Democrats are just now preparing the draft of the NEW AND IMPROVED
Constitution. It won't have all that silliness in it.


The revolution to put it in place will.

On 7/24/2012 2:30 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Bill Drit wrote:

On 7/21/2012 8:07 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
? Actually, you have the order backwards. It's ALWAYS been the right of the
? people to protect themselves from government gone bad.
?
? Most of our elected representatives (who now call themselves Our Nations
? Leaders) ignore this historical fact.
?
? The 2nd Ammendment to the US Constitution prohibits the government from
? infringing the God-given right to keep and bear arms. The fact that the
? right has already been severely infringed, does not change that the
? government is prohibited from doing so.
?
? Christopher A. Young
? Learn more about Jesus
? www.lds.org

You've got it all wrong! You're referring to the OLD constitution. The
Democrats are just now preparing the draft of the NEW AND IMPROVED
Constitution. It won't have all that silliness in it.


The revolution to put it in place will.


No Revolution in the strict sense. They already dumbed down citizens in
democrat controlled schools for the past 50 years and numbed people to
stupidity, violence, immorality and entitlements. The Revolution is
just about over and they have just about won.

Bill Drit wrote:

No Revolution in the strict sense. They already dumbed down citizens in
democrat controlled schools for the past 50 years and numbed people to
stupidity, violence, immorality and entitlements. The Revolution is
just about over and they have just about won.


You can only speak for yourself about being 'dummbed down' as
evidenced by your nym and the use of a trolling NNTP server.

"Why are people so cruel" wrote in news:h4GOr.766$qv3.135
@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:

When did the right to bear arms to protect the state from
invasion, become the right to bear arms to protect the
person/property from an internal (to the state) threat.

That's not a new concept at all. For instance, in my state (Indiana) the right to keep and bear
arms is protected by the State constitution as well, and quite explicitly mentions the right of self-
defense: "The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and of the
State."

In article m,
says...

When did the right to bear arms to protect the state from
invasion, become the right to bear arms to protect the
person/property from an internal (to the state) threat.

December 15, 1791.

Took the Supreme Court until June 26, 2008 to issue a ruling on the
matter though.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
in.local...
In article m,
says...

When did the right to bear arms to protect the state from
invasion, become the right to bear arms to protect the
person/property from an internal (to the state) threat.

December 15, 1791.

Took the Supreme Court until June 26, 2008 to issue a ruling on the
matter though.

But should n't you be a member of the citizen's militia, do the drills,
attend training, etc.

In article m,
says...

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
in.local...
In article m,
says...

When did the right to bear arms to protect the state from
invasion, become the right to bear arms to protect the
person/property from an internal (to the state) threat.

December 15, 1791.

Took the Supreme Court until June 26, 2008 to issue a ruling on the
matter though.

But should n't you be a member of the citizen's militia, do the drills,
attend training, etc.

US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16:

"(The Congress shall have Power) To provide for organizing, arming, and
disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be
employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States
respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of
training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by
Congress."

The Congress has not seen fit to prescribe a discipline and the states
have not seen fit to provide training. You are welcome to petition your
Congresscritters and state legislators to address these lapses.

Difficult to "do the drills, attend training, etc" when those who have
the authority to arrange such matters are neglecting to do so.

"J. Clarke" wrote:

US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16:

"(The Congress shall have Power) To provide for organizing, arming, and
disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be
employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States
respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of
training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by
Congress."

The Congress has not seen fit to prescribe a discipline and the states
have not seen fit to provide training. You are welcome to petition your
Congresscritters and state legislators to address these lapses.

Difficult to "do the drills, attend training, etc" when those who have
the authority to arrange such matters are neglecting to do so.


He's in Australia, so it doesn't matter.

We just might ask for all of the back taxes taken for this
o,a,a,d, stuff.

Should be substantial after all of these years.
Martin

On 7/23/2012 5:31 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article m,
says...

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
in.local...
In article m,
says...

When did the right to bear arms to protect the state from
invasion, become the right to bear arms to protect the
person/property from an internal (to the state) threat.

December 15, 1791.

Took the Supreme Court until June 26, 2008 to issue a ruling on the
matter though.

But should n't you be a member of the citizen's militia, do the drills,
attend training, etc.

US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16:

"(The Congress shall have Power) To provide for organizing, arming, and
disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be
employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States
respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of
training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by
Congress."

The Congress has not seen fit to prescribe a discipline and the states
have not seen fit to provide training. You are welcome to petition your
Congresscritters and state legislators to address these lapses.

Difficult to "do the drills, attend training, etc" when those who have
the authority to arrange such matters are neglecting to do so.