Awl --

Cupla Qs:

I'm looking for small servicible wenches, and am surprised that AC wenches
so much more expensive than DC wenches.

I got a nice remote controlled 12 V wench from HF for $49 some time ago,
performs great, altho I did strip most of the stuff off that wench. It is a
MUCH more powerful wench than I need, what I need is an lite-duty AC wench,
rated for only a cupla hundred pounds.

HF sells their wenches for $79 (AC), which actually I haven't seen for a
while until now:
http://www.harborfreight.com/110-vol...rol-40765.html

I have one of these, awfully big for only 220# (single line), but this wench
has provided great service, humps a much bigger load than you'd expect for
its rating.

The HF $49 12 V one I have is 3,000# and QUITE a bit smaller, lighter than
my other wench, a camouflage green/black ditty, very cool. Not offered any
more.

Why the disparity in physical size AND capacity of these two wenches?

I'd like to find a cheap bitty AC wench, but I can't. In fact, a
reversible gear motor, at about 100 in-lbs of torque, would do me well, if
it had a drum for 1/8" wire, sumpn like this:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAY...NF8?Pid=search Not
reversible, however, and of course no drum..

Anyway, if I could get a wench the size of the above gear motors, I'd be a
happy camper.

If the HF wireless remote control was $49, AND I stripped that wench
virtually necked, except the mounting plate, couldn't I find an equivalent
wench much cheaper, necked from the gitgo?

I will, eventually, be able to buy wenches mebbe 100 at a time, and
price/functionality are of course much more important than niceties such as
size or color.

What's the best way to source a wench? Thomas Reg? Alibaba? GlobalSpec?
Will companies send samples, allow me to try out their wenches? Are these
Alibaba companies easy to deal with, or am I cruising for a credit-card
bruising?

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.
--
EA

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
Awl --

Cupla Qs:

I'm looking for small servicible wenches, and am surprised that AC wenches
so much more expensive than DC wenches.


Why not look at manually powered wench, from what I hear they are
customisable & work very well - that could be load dependent though.

http://www.fleshlight.com/

DC wenches are probably more expensive if you are male.
Its, hard to get off with an AC wench, because most likely she is
interested in another AC wench.

I think you mean winches....

Awl --

Cupla Qs:

I'm looking for small servicible wenches, and am surprised that AC wenches
so much more expensive than DC wenches.

I got a nice remote controlled 12 V wench from HF for $49 some time ago,
performs great, altho I did strip most of the stuff off that wench. It is a
MUCH more powerful wench than I need, what I need is an lite-duty AC wench,
rated for only a cupla hundred pounds.

HF sells their wenches for $79 (AC), which actually I haven't seen for a
while until now:
http://www.harborfreight.com/110-vol...rol-40765.html

I have one of these, awfully big for only 220# (single line), but this wench
has provided great service, humps a much bigger load than you'd expect for
its rating.

The HF $49 12 V one I have is 3,000# and QUITE a bit smaller, lighter than
my other wench, a camouflage green/black ditty, very cool. Not offered any
more.

Why the disparity in physical size AND capacity of these two wenches?

I'd like to find a cheap bitty AC wench, but I can't. In fact, a
reversible gear motor, at about 100 in-lbs of torque, would do me well, if
it had a drum for 1/8" wire, sumpn like this:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAY...NF8?Pid=search Not
reversible, however, and of course no drum..

Anyway, if I could get a wench the size of the above gear motors, I'd be a
happy camper.

If the HF wireless remote control was $49, AND I stripped that wench
virtually necked, except the mounting plate, couldn't I find an equivalent
wench much cheaper, necked from the gitgo?

I will, eventually, be able to buy wenches mebbe 100 at a time, and
price/functionality are of course much more important than niceties such as
size or color.

What's the best way to source a wench? Thomas Reg? Alibaba? GlobalSpec?
Will companies send samples, allow me to try out their wenches? Are these
Alibaba companies easy to deal with, or am I cruising for a credit-card
bruising?

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
Awl --

I'm looking for small servicible wenches, and am surprised that AC
wenches so much more expensive than DC wenches....


I bought the HF 1300 Pounder AC hoist and tested it for defects. As
usual for them it's OK for the price, but not without flaws. It's
meant to hang from a pipe but it twists enough that the cable drags on
and trips the overtravel switch bail. The pipe hanger straps are sized
for 45 - 47mm (~1.8") which is too small for 1-1/2" pipe and loose on
1-1/4". I hung it from rock drill rod that's a snug fit, and plan to
mount the rollers from a gantry trolley on it with angle irons.

It moves too fast to line up an engine precisely enough. It might be
nice to haul shingles up onto a roof if you rig up an overhanging
support beam or a base for a pickup bed crane. I bought it to move
logs into a storage shed without having to stand on the unstable pile
to operate a lever hoist.

jsw

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
Awl --

I'm looking for small servicible wenches, and am surprised that AC
wenches so much more expensive than DC wenches....


When I'm looking for a small, servicable WENCH, I much prefer the DC
type. They don't go both ways!

There ain't no such thing as "small" around here, though, when it comes
to women!

Around here, you need a winch on your truck to pick up wenches.

Q- Why did the guy get a new 2-ton boom hoist for his pickup truck?
A- He was going to pick up his date.)

Lloyd

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
...
These wenches are proving to be troublesome.
--
EA

You are just leaning this now???

On Thu, 31 May 2012 06:58:50 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:


"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
Awl --

I'm looking for small servicible wenches, and am surprised that AC
wenches so much more expensive than DC wenches....


When I'm looking for a small, servicable WENCH, I much prefer the DC
type. They don't go both ways!

I prefer the AC/DC types, especially when they bring their girlfriends
to the party. FFM is _happenin'_.


There ain't no such thing as "small" around here, though, when it comes
to women!

Ditto here in the PNW. I've been single half the time.


Around here, you need a winch on your truck to pick up wenches.

Q- Why did the guy get a new 2-ton boom hoist for his pickup truck?
A- He was going to pick up his date.)

DisGUSting. shudder

--
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-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton

On Thu, 31 May 2012 08:23:28 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
...
These wenches are proving to be troublesome.
--
EA

You are just leaning this now???

Heh, heh, heh. He must have never heard the old adage
"If it has tits or tires, it's gonna cost you money."

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-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton

On Thu, 31 May 2012 06:27:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2012 08:23:28 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
...
These wenches are proving to be troublesome.
--
EA

You are just leaning this now???

Heh, heh, heh. He must have never heard the old adage
"If it has tits or tires, it's gonna cost you money."

If it floats, flies or f***s, it's cheaper to rent.

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
Awl --

Cupla Qs:

I'm looking for small servicible wenches, and am surprised that AC wenches
so much more expensive than DC wenches.

I got a nice remote controlled 12 V wench from HF for $49 some time ago,
performs great, altho I did strip most of the stuff off that wench. It is
a MUCH more powerful wench than I need, what I need is an lite-duty AC
wench, rated for only a cupla hundred pounds.

HF sells their wenches for $79 (AC), which actually I haven't seen for a
while until now:
http://www.harborfreight.com/110-vol...rol-40765.html

I have one of these, awfully big for only 220# (single line), but this
wench has provided great service, humps a much bigger load than you'd
expect for its rating.

The HF $49 12 V one I have is 3,000# and QUITE a bit smaller, lighter
than my other wench, a camouflage green/black ditty, very cool. Not
offered any more.

Why the disparity in physical size AND capacity of these two wenches?

I'd like to find a cheap bitty AC wench, but I can't. In fact, a
reversible gear motor, at about 100 in-lbs of torque, would do me well, if
it had a drum for 1/8" wire, sumpn like this:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAY...NF8?Pid=search Not
reversible, however, and of course no drum..

Anyway, if I could get a wench the size of the above gear motors, I'd be a
happy camper.

If the HF wireless remote control was $49, AND I stripped that wench
virtually necked, except the mounting plate, couldn't I find an equivalent
wench much cheaper, necked from the gitgo?

I will, eventually, be able to buy wenches mebbe 100 at a time, and
price/functionality are of course much more important than niceties such
as size or color.

What's the best way to source a wench? Thomas Reg? Alibaba? GlobalSpec?
Will companies send samples, allow me to try out their wenches? Are these
Alibaba companies easy to deal with, or am I cruising for a credit-card
bruising?

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post..... LOL!!!!
--
EA


--
EA

On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:55:16 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post..... LOL!!!!

I dunno, EA -- I thought this thread was quite entertaining, and even
educational in spots.

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how hard?

--
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My conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook.
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http://www.wescottdesign.com

On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:25:15 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:55:16 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post..... LOL!!!!

I dunno, EA -- I thought this thread was quite entertaining, and even
educational in spots.

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how hard?

I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.

--
Ed Huntress

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:55:16 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post..... LOL!!!!

I dunno, EA -- I thought this thread was quite entertaining, and even
educational in spots.

Yeah, y'all didn't miss a beat.... LOL


So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how hard?

Gym-type stuff -- no more than a cupla hundred pounds.

And really, mis-spellings aside, pretty much as I, uh, laid it out in the
OP.
The DC winches from HF are relatively compact, way too powerful, so I was
hoping to get a really lite-duty AC jobby, cheap. No such luck so far.

Literally, 100 in-lbs of torque would suffice, like in that type of Grainger
gear motor. But those ain't cheap either.
Plus, I'd have to modify them, with drums, etc.
Also, most winches have a built-in brake, which is nice.

So really, just a Q about why the AC stuff is so much more expensive (and
bigger, without being nec'ly stronger) than the DC, and how I might source
this out. I dread doing Alibaba, but if dats what's nec, I'll do it.
Alternatives to alibaba?
Google is becoming more and more chaotic, ito search results. Or
maddeningly redundant....
--
EA


--
My liberal friends think I'm a conservative kook.
My conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook.
Why am I not happy that they have found common ground?

Tim Wescott, Communications, Control, Circuits & Software
http://www.wescottdesign.com

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:25:15 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:55:16 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post..... LOL!!!!

I dunno, EA -- I thought this thread was quite entertaining, and even
educational in spots.

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how hard?

I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.

Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....
--
EA


--
Ed Huntress

"Tim Wescott" wrote

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?


Enough to loosen a tight nut.

On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:06:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:25:15 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:55:16 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post..... LOL!!!!

I dunno, EA -- I thought this thread was quite entertaining, and even
educational in spots.

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how hard?

I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.

Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....

How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:06:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:25:15 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:55:16 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post.....
LOL!!!!

I dunno, EA -- I thought this thread was quite entertaining, and even
educational in spots.

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?

I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.

Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....

How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?

Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....
--
EA



--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:06:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:25:15 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:55:16 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post.....
LOL!!!!

I dunno, EA -- I thought this thread was quite entertaining, and even
educational in spots.

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?

I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.

Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....

How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?

Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....

See, I was afraid it was something long like that. By the time I got
the words out, the wench would be cracked on the head by the boom and
be overboard and unconscious.

Maybe a native Hawaiian. They only have 13 letters in their alphabet.

--
Ed Huntress

Hey EA....,

One thing to be aware of....the A/C winches have only one speed, or 2
if you simply double-reave it (and they all come equipped to do that).
The D/C winches can be controlled more easily by controllling the
voltage.

I mounted an A/C from Princess Auto (eg..same kinda product as Harbor
Freight) on a swing-arm on top my Bridgeport ram to lift heavier
equipment on and off and the table and storage places. I had to
5-reave it to get a speed that wouldn't thunp stuff hard on the table.

Take care. Have fun !!

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:05:15 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:55:16 -0400, Existential Angst wrote:

"Existential Angst" wrote in message

These wenches are proving to be troublesome.

SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post..... LOL!!!!

I dunno, EA -- I thought this thread was quite entertaining, and even
educational in spots.

Yeah, y'all didn't miss a beat.... LOL


So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how hard?

Gym-type stuff -- no more than a cupla hundred pounds.

And really, mis-spellings aside, pretty much as I, uh, laid it out in the
OP.
The DC winches from HF are relatively compact, way too powerful, so I was
hoping to get a really lite-duty AC jobby, cheap. No such luck so far.

Literally, 100 in-lbs of torque would suffice, like in that type of Grainger
gear motor. But those ain't cheap either.
Plus, I'd have to modify them, with drums, etc.
Also, most winches have a built-in brake, which is nice.

So really, just a Q about why the AC stuff is so much more expensive (and
bigger, without being nec'ly stronger) than the DC, and how I might source
this out. I dread doing Alibaba, but if dats what's nec, I'll do it.
Alternatives to alibaba?
Google is becoming more and more chaotic, ito search results. Or
maddeningly redundant....

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message ...

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And --
how hard?

Gym-type stuff -- no more than a cupla hundred pounds.


Then wouldn't it be more appropriate to use a muscle-powered boat
trailer winch or such?

These are very light and handy:
http://www.harborfreight.com/1-4-qua...ist-67144.html

jsw

"Brian Lawson" wrote in message
...

I mounted an A/C from Princess Auto (eg..same kinda product as
Harbor
Freight) on a swing-arm on top my Bridgeport ram to lift heavier
equipment on and off and the table and storage places. I had to
5-reave it to get a speed that wouldn't thunp stuff hard on the
table.

Brian Lawson,

Here is the right size of hoist, but I doubt your or our Medicare will
pay to mount it on a Bridgeport:
http://www.bruno.com/vehicle-lift-curb-sider.html

jsw

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message ...

So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?

Gym-type stuff -- no more than a cupla hundred pounds.


Then wouldn't it be more appropriate to use a muscle-powered boat trailer
winch or such?

These are very light and handy:
http://www.harborfreight.com/1-4-qua...ist-67144.html

If I were to go the manual route, I'd use this type of handcrank winch:
http://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lb...nch-65688.html

But motorized is so much cool-er! And in some apps, required.
Plus, I was encouraged by my $49 12V HF winch, with all the doo-dads that I
was able to strip off.
So I'm hoping I could find a bare-bones wench.... I mean, winch.... from,
say *HF's* source, at a very good price.
--
EA



jsw

Hey Jim,

That "Bruno" is effectively what I have done. I mounted a pick-up
hoist that is raised and lowered with a hand-pump, then added a
horizontally pivoted extension arm that can swing about 270 degrees.
The winch is at the free end of that arm, and has a pendant on a
neutral-balance wire.

Take care.

Brian Lawson.

ps...not that it would matter, but my Bridgport was originally a
"duplicator", and has a very wide ram, so mounting was VERY easy..just
bolted the base flange on. I'll take a pix if it is of interest.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

On Thu, 31 May 2012 17:40:54 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Brian Lawson" wrote in message
.. .

I mounted an A/C from Princess Auto (eg..same kinda product as
Harbor
Freight) on a swing-arm on top my Bridgeport ram to lift heavier
equipment on and off and the table and storage places. I had to
5-reave it to get a speed that wouldn't thunp stuff hard on the
table.

Brian Lawson,

Here is the right size of hoist, but I doubt your or our Medicare will
pay to mount it on a Bridgeport:
http://www.bruno.com/vehicle-lift-curb-sider.html

jsw

"Existential Angst" writes:


SIGH
I guess ahm gonna haveta correck the spelling and re-post..... LOL!!!!

There was an elderly Ohio legislature giving a long
anti-abortion rant. He repeatedly demanded we "protect all
feces" from those wanting to discard them as garbage.
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On 2012-05-31, Existential Angst wrote:

[ ... ]

So really, just a Q about why the AC stuff is so much more expensive (and
bigger, without being nec'ly stronger) than the DC, and how I might source
this out.

I suspect that the DC ones are for short duty cycles, while the
AC ones are for continuous duty cycle, so they have to be able to
operate full time without overheating.

I dread doing Alibaba, but if dats what's nec, I'll do it.
Alternatives to alibaba?
Google is becoming more and more chaotic, ito search results. Or
maddeningly redundant....

Partially because it decides where you are, and limits itself to
local hits.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ...

If I were to go the manual route, I'd use this type of handcrank
winch:
http://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lb...nch-65688.html

But motorized is so much cool-er! And in some apps, required.
Plus, I was encouraged by my $49 12V HF winch, with all the doo-dads
that I was able to strip off.
So I'm hoping I could find a bare-bones wench.... I mean, winch....
from, say *HF's* source, at a very good price.
EA

I stripped the stamped gears on a couple of boat trailer winches,
after shimming them into better alignment and greasing them. I was
using them to drag logs out of a tangled pile and thus pulling hard
for a long distance, unlike their intended use on a boat trailer.
Wider cast gears held up better.

Can't help you on a small cheap AC winch. I've been looking for one
for years to automate the lift on my TV antenna. I have to take a TV
outside to find the best signal height in the diffraction pattern from
the ridge crest, which changes with the seasons. DTV reception here is
better than analog was, but still not perfect.

jsw

"DoN. Nichols" wrote

I suspect that the DC ones are for short duty cycles, while the
AC ones are for continuous duty cycle, so they have to be able to
operate full time without overheating.

DoN.

The Harbor Freight 1300Lb AC hoist's manual gives a duty cycle of 25%,
2-1/2 minutes out of ten.

It didn't heat up much lifting and lowering my log splitter, at about
half the single-line rating. The starts and stops are so jerky that I
didn't continue for 2-1/2 minutes. I had rigged up a temporary gantry
with the beam hung from two tripods, which wasn't comfortably stable.

jsw

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?
I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.
Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....
How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?
Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....

See, I was afraid it was something long like that. By the time I got
the words out, the wench would be cracked on the head by the boom and
be overboard and unconscious.

Maybe a native Hawaiian. They only have 13 letters in their alphabet.


Take a look at some of their words though. I think most of them use all
13 of those letters, twice !!!!

--
Steve W.

Existential Angst wrote:
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message ...
So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?
Gym-type stuff -- no more than a cupla hundred pounds.

Then wouldn't it be more appropriate to use a muscle-powered boat trailer
winch or such?

These are very light and handy:
http://www.harborfreight.com/1-4-qua...ist-67144.html

If I were to go the manual route, I'd use this type of handcrank winch:
http://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lb...nch-65688.html

But motorized is so much cool-er! And in some apps, required.
Plus, I was encouraged by my $49 12V HF winch, with all the doo-dads that I
was able to strip off.
So I'm hoping I could find a bare-bones wench.... I mean, winch.... from,
say *HF's* source, at a very good price.

How about something like a window motor or seat motor out of a car?

--
Steve W.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:27:39 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"DoN. Nichols" wrote

I suspect that the DC ones are for short duty cycles, while the
AC ones are for continuous duty cycle, so they have to be able to
operate full time without overheating.

DoN.

The Harbor Freight 1300Lb AC hoist's manual gives a duty cycle of 25%,
2-1/2 minutes out of ten.

It didn't heat up much lifting and lowering my log splitter, at about
half the single-line rating. The starts and stops are so jerky that I
didn't continue for 2-1/2 minutes. I had rigged up a temporary gantry
with the beam hung from two tripods, which wasn't comfortably stable.

jsw

I bought the smallest HF hoist from a friend to hoist the 4th axis
onto the mill. Even with the block it is too fast. Going up is OK but
letting it down onto the table sucks. I don't like 165 lbs of
precision rotary table banging onto the precision mill table. I'm
going to run the cable through pulleys to slow it down. Or buy a small
chain fall.
Eric

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:27:39 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"DoN. Nichols" wrote

I suspect that the DC ones are for short duty cycles, while the
AC ones are for continuous duty cycle, so they have to be able to
operate full time without overheating.

DoN.

The Harbor Freight 1300Lb AC hoist's manual gives a duty cycle of 25%,
2-1/2 minutes out of ten.

It didn't heat up much lifting and lowering my log splitter, at about
half the single-line rating. The starts and stops are so jerky that I
didn't continue for 2-1/2 minutes. I had rigged up a temporary gantry
with the beam hung from two tripods, which wasn't comfortably stable.

jsw

I bought the smallest HF hoist from a friend to hoist the 4th axis
onto the mill. Even with the block it is too fast. Going up is OK but
letting it down onto the table sucks. I don't like 165 lbs of
precision rotary table banging onto the precision mill table. I'm
going to run the cable through pulleys to slow it down. Or buy a small
chain fall.

I do the same thing, except with a dayton winch, mounted permanently in the
fadal cabinet. I actually "store" the rotary in the "up" position, which
just happens to be out of the way of everything.

This particular winch, altho VERY noisy, has a kind of "coast" feature,
where if I partially depress the buttons, it releases the brake, without
actuating the motor -- proly a defect, but a useful defect in this case.

In your case, you could put a suitable spring in the line, so that when it
does touch, the force is at least graduated.
Also, for initial touchdown-positioning purposes, you might want to use a
piece of wood, position approximately, then raise 1/4", remove wood, then
lower. Bang is inversely proportional to distance.
--
EA







Eric

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:18:46 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?
I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.
Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....
How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?
Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....

See, I was afraid it was something long like that. By the time I got
the words out, the wench would be cracked on the head by the boom and
be overboard and unconscious.

Maybe a native Hawaiian. They only have 13 letters in their alphabet.


Take a look at some of their words though. I think most of them use all
13 of those letters, twice !!!!

Good point. I'd be screaming before I got the words out.

This discussion made me realize the probable reason there are so few
Russians involved in international yacht racing. They're probably all
floating face-down in the Baltic.

--
Ed Huntress

In article , huntres23
@optonline.net says...

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:18:46 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?
I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.
Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....
How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?
Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....

See, I was afraid it was something long like that. By the time I got
the words out, the wench would be cracked on the head by the boom and
be overboard and unconscious.

Maybe a native Hawaiian. They only have 13 letters in their alphabet.


Take a look at some of their words though. I think most of them use all
13 of those letters, twice !!!!

Good point. I'd be screaming before I got the words out.

This discussion made me realize the probable reason there are so few
Russians involved in international yacht racing. They're probably all
floating face-down in the Baltic.

You know, it occurs to me that we should all remember how the Hawaiians
got to Hawaii. It's kind of humbling.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:51:43 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article , huntres23
says...

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:18:46 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?
I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.
Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....
How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?
Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....

See, I was afraid it was something long like that. By the time I got
the words out, the wench would be cracked on the head by the boom and
be overboard and unconscious.

Maybe a native Hawaiian. They only have 13 letters in their alphabet.


Take a look at some of their words though. I think most of them use all
13 of those letters, twice !!!!

Good point. I'd be screaming before I got the words out.

This discussion made me realize the probable reason there are so few
Russians involved in international yacht racing. They're probably all
floating face-down in the Baltic.

You know, it occurs to me that we should all remember how the Hawaiians
got to Hawaii. It's kind of humbling.

The seafaring and the navigation must have been incredible. But I've
always wondered where in hell the first Polynesian sailors thought
they were going when they found those little dots in the Pacific.

'Beats me.

--
Ed Huntress

In article , huntres23
@optonline.net says...

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:51:43 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article , huntres23
says...

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:18:46 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?
I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.
Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....
How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?
Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....

See, I was afraid it was something long like that. By the time I got
the words out, the wench would be cracked on the head by the boom and
be overboard and unconscious.

Maybe a native Hawaiian. They only have 13 letters in their alphabet.


Take a look at some of their words though. I think most of them use all
13 of those letters, twice !!!!

Good point. I'd be screaming before I got the words out.

This discussion made me realize the probable reason there are so few
Russians involved in international yacht racing. They're probably all
floating face-down in the Baltic.

You know, it occurs to me that we should all remember how the Hawaiians
got to Hawaii. It's kind of humbling.

The seafaring and the navigation must have been incredible. But I've
always wondered where in hell the first Polynesian sailors thought
they were going when they found those little dots in the Pacific.

'Beats me.

According to the wikipedia article, one hypothesis is that they went in
the same direction as migratory birds on the basis that the birds knew
where they were going.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:44:14 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:27:39 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"DoN. Nichols" wrote

I suspect that the DC ones are for short duty cycles, while the
AC ones are for continuous duty cycle, so they have to be able to
operate full time without overheating.

DoN.

The Harbor Freight 1300Lb AC hoist's manual gives a duty cycle of 25%,
2-1/2 minutes out of ten.

It didn't heat up much lifting and lowering my log splitter, at about
half the single-line rating. The starts and stops are so jerky that I
didn't continue for 2-1/2 minutes. I had rigged up a temporary gantry
with the beam hung from two tripods, which wasn't comfortably stable.

jsw

I bought the smallest HF hoist from a friend to hoist the 4th axis
onto the mill. Even with the block it is too fast. Going up is OK but
letting it down onto the table sucks. I don't like 165 lbs of
precision rotary table banging onto the precision mill table. I'm
going to run the cable through pulleys to slow it down. Or buy a small
chain fall.

I do the same thing, except with a dayton winch, mounted permanently in the
fadal cabinet. I actually "store" the rotary in the "up" position, which
just happens to be out of the way of everything.

This particular winch, altho VERY noisy, has a kind of "coast" feature,
where if I partially depress the buttons, it releases the brake, without
actuating the motor -- proly a defect, but a useful defect in this case.

In your case, you could put a suitable spring in the line, so that when it
does touch, the force is at least graduated.
Also, for initial touchdown-positioning purposes, you might want to use a
piece of wood, position approximately, then raise 1/4", remove wood, then
lower. Bang is inversely proportional to distance.
I let the 4th axis down on several sheets of paper so that nothing
gets dented and then tilt the thing to remove the paper. But it still
would be better to slow the drop down so I'll just add some more
pulleys. It will make the whole process slower but will prevent
damage. I though about letting the 4th axis just hang but it gets too
grody with dried coolant and chips so I lower it outside the machine
and just slide it under the enclosure.
Eric

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:39:25 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article , huntres23
says...

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:51:43 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article , huntres23
says...

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:18:46 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?
I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.
Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....
How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?
Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....

See, I was afraid it was something long like that. By the time I got
the words out, the wench would be cracked on the head by the boom and
be overboard and unconscious.

Maybe a native Hawaiian. They only have 13 letters in their alphabet.


Take a look at some of their words though. I think most of them use all
13 of those letters, twice !!!!

Good point. I'd be screaming before I got the words out.

This discussion made me realize the probable reason there are so few
Russians involved in international yacht racing. They're probably all
floating face-down in the Baltic.

You know, it occurs to me that we should all remember how the Hawaiians
got to Hawaii. It's kind of humbling.

The seafaring and the navigation must have been incredible. But I've
always wondered where in hell the first Polynesian sailors thought
they were going when they found those little dots in the Pacific.

'Beats me.

According to the wikipedia article, one hypothesis is that they went in
the same direction as migratory birds on the basis that the birds knew
where they were going.

Yeah, I've read that in the past. It's a good thing they weren't going
to nesting grounds on the shores of the Bering Sea. g

--
Ed Huntress

In article , huntres23
@optonline.net says...

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:39:25 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article , huntres23
says...

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:51:43 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article , huntres23
says...

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:18:46 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
So -- what is it that you want these wenches to pull on? And -- how
hard?
I miss sailing with the Bay City Yacht Club in Michigan. My roommate,
who owned the boat, used to require that I bring my own Winch Wench to
tail the sheets. My wife won't let me have any of those now. d8-)

If you get a strong Winch Wench, you can have her work the crank.
Might I suggest a Russian wench.... be advised, tho, the stronger ones
often come with moustaches.... which idn't necessarily bad.....
How do you say "jibe ho!" in Russian?
Jibe-ho-linskayashtovo....

See, I was afraid it was something long like that. By the time I got
the words out, the wench would be cracked on the head by the boom and
be overboard and unconscious.

Maybe a native Hawaiian. They only have 13 letters in their alphabet.


Take a look at some of their words though. I think most of them use all
13 of those letters, twice !!!!

Good point. I'd be screaming before I got the words out.

This discussion made me realize the probable reason there are so few
Russians involved in international yacht racing. They're probably all
floating face-down in the Baltic.

You know, it occurs to me that we should all remember how the Hawaiians
got to Hawaii. It's kind of humbling.

The seafaring and the navigation must have been incredible. But I've
always wondered where in hell the first Polynesian sailors thought
they were going when they found those little dots in the Pacific.

'Beats me.

According to the wikipedia article, one hypothesis is that they went in
the same direction as migratory birds on the basis that the birds knew
where they were going.

Yeah, I've read that in the past. It's a good thing they weren't going
to nesting grounds on the shores of the Bering Sea. g

Maybe some were. I don't recall anybody ever looking for crossbreeding
between Aleuts and Polynesians. That would be a heck of a trip from
Tahiti. Not that Hawii isn't.