On 11/13/2011 4:56 AM, David R. Birch wrote:

I agree, I've read Marx and its gibberish.

If Marx's writing and philosophy are gibberish to you I can understand
that. You don't understand much. Based on the number of people around
the world who have read and heard of Marx, his work is clearly not
gibberish to most people.

Marx is gibberish because it depends on people being what he thought
they should be, not what they really are. His fundamental
misunderstanding of human nature is typical of the elitism of the left.

Thanks for confirming what I thought. You know little or nothing about
Marx or Marxism. Yet you try to come across as being an expert on the
subject. You really know little of Marx's life or of his writings but
pretend you do. Bluffing your way through doesn't work when you have to
put up or shut up. You're a phoney.


Most degrees in the liberal arts, especially the advanced degrees,
really just equip the student to become a liberal-arts professor.
Given how few professorships open up, most liberal-arts graduates
don’t actually end up with marketable skills.

Since most of them don't go to college to get a marketable job skill
that's perfectly understandable. Liberal arts students go to college
to become educated people. When they graduate they then find what
area they want to go to work in, and that may or may not be related
to their college degree. They don't look at college as vocational
training. They go to get educated. When they have done that they
enter the marketplace and see what they want to do as far as work
goes. The idea is they are prepared for many more things by having a
general education.

So those poor fools majoring in psych, English, soc sci and poli sci
were wasting their time by specializing their ignorance.

Only an idiot would think that psychologists, social scientists, English
teachers, and political advisers, wasted their time training for those
occupations.

Once again you fail in reading comprehension. I was using a device
called irony, a bit too subtle for you as usual.

For you to use a literary device like irony you need to do a lot better
job of letting the reader know it. Like all of a sudden you're ironic,
out of the blue. Sure.


Anyone who doesn't understand that those and many other
occupations are filled by people with liberal arts degrees
is seriously stupid. In your case, I'd suggest you spend some time with
a psychologist. I know you don't think he learned anything in school and
wasted his time there, but he will present you with a good sized bill
for using his skill, and he'll likely make a lot more money than you do
as well.

I have spent time with psychologists, but not as a patient or client.
Initially as a student, then later as consultant.

Apparently you missed my point, which is that you would have done well
to have used the services of a psychologist. You need one. Most people
do but you know what? The people who say they have no need for a
psychologist are usually the ones who need it the most.


I think a lot of liberal-arts graduates have been convinced they
have learned something of great value.

They have, in fact they have learned a great many things of value if
they have earned a liberal arts degree.

Why should they believe otherwise?

Yes, they have learned that regurgitating what the prof said is of great
value in pursuit of a grade.

If you had a decent education you would understand that good professors
don't want you to regurgitate whatever they say. Good ones encourage
differing views. Sounds like you've been listening to Limbaugh too much
lately. As an uneducated man he's always telling people what they do in
college. Where he never went.

Only ignorant people think that way. That's as stupid as saying food
preparation, clothes cleaning, and home cleaning are just women's work.

Totally irrelevant comparison. If you think a college student will get
far while publicly supporting theories that his advisers don't support,
your grasp of college department politics is as weak as your
understanding of national and world politics.

That's total nonsense on a number of levels. I was a political science
student so the idea I would not understand what was going on politically
in administrative politics is goofy. Besides that, where I went you
could believe any damn political theories you wanted. In the dept. there
were professors with every different political viewpoint. So you don't
know what you are talking about, again.


We are taught since childhood how wise and wonderful all our
teachers are. We are told how uplifting and ennobling education is.
Why would students question whether their trusted professors are
teaching them anything true and/or valuable in the future
workplace?

They shouldn't. The truth is that teachers are smart and well
educated. They do the job of teaching the next generation how to live
their lives. They have both life experience and education behind
them. If you can't trust people like that who can you trust? If they
don't know anything about the world their students are about to enter
then who would?

I wish we had schools like that here on Earth.

We do. It's just that some people like you never got the chance to
experience what they are like so you don't think they exist.

If they exist, they are the exception, not the rule.

Nobody ever said that all schools are good. We all know that's not true,
unfortunately.


"uneducated"? As in "didn't go to a liberal arts college"?

No, as in people like you. The ignorant. College educated people do have
skills.

You seem to think that only college educated people have skills and that
a college education means you therefore have those skills.

In many ways you remind me of Shelly Long's character Diane Chambers in
"Cheers", a woman with a lot of education who didn't know anything about
the real world and had acquired no wisdom or common sense.

That's great. You remind me of Jabba the Hut. A big, fat, evil,
disgusting creature, that runs roughshod over everyone and everything
weaker than him. So how did I do? Did I describe you accurately? No?
Well, your description of me isn't accurate either. Not by a long shot.


Actually, my education, training and skills would land me a job by
simply calling any number of HR departments in large corporations...if I
weren't close to retirement age.

So that's supposed to prove your claims about education? It doesn't.

Not true of poli sci graduates.

All I have to do to disprove that is show you some poly sci graduates
that have done a lot. First off most lawyers started off with poly sci
degrees and a heck of a lot of poly sci degree holders are in congress,
in academia, and in law careers. So those degrees are valuable.

Yes, they will never know the satisfaction of pretentiousness that you
cherish.

Spoken like a man without an education.

Certainly not an education consisting of a degree of no practical use.

There are many benefits to an education that have no practical
application. That doesn't make them no good. You always lose when you
try to make not having an education superior to having one. Bad argument.


Not to mention the 50 years of his life that Hack wasted earning
his cosmic debris. LOL!

If you weren't such a dolt you would know that it didn't take me 50
years to get my degree. All told it took me no longer than average.
The only thing I did was spread out the time I did it in over many
years. I can understand why that would confuse someone like you. Most
everything does.

The mail from that diploma mill must be slow, is it offshore?

Nope, got it right here in California where I live and went to school.
Which I'll take over where ever it is you live in some red state full of
religious nut cases without any education. Are you a southerner, by any
chance?

SE Wisconsin, a blue state, as if it matters. Usual assortment of nut
cases on the left and right.

From what you have said you don't sound like a middle of the roader to
me. Hard right a lot closer to home?


You continually demonstrate that you think that just having a diploma
makes you special and superior, yet you show at the same time that you
haven't gone beyond that piece of paper and actually have not found a
use for it.

So what? Many people get a degree and go on to do things that are not
related to it. I think that is true for most people.

Worse yet, you lack knowledge and understanding of the world of politics
because you don't recognize that there are valid views outside your
narrow world that embraces only what your idols tell you to believe.

I have no idols. But I do understand politics. Not all views are equal
either. The fact that I can judge which ones have value and which don't
seems to bother you.


Most of the people I know have at least some advanced education, many
with multiple MAs and MSs and/or doctorates, yet when I correspond with
you, its like engaging in a discussion in a freshman bull session,
earnest views from someone with no idea what its like out there in the
real world.

I guess you didn't get the news from Benny Fishbone that I didn't get my
college degree until I was 50 years old. So I obviously lived most of my
life without one. That's why I now know what it's worth. It has a value
all its own regardless of any practical use for it. I've had a degree
and I didn't have one for many years. I'm very happy that I got one.
Someone like you would probably never understand the value it is to me.


You need to recognize that a diploma is not an end, but just another start.

It's that and it's an accomplishment and it's a way to improve oneself,
and many other things as well.

I'm done here for now, you'll never find wisdom if you refuse to think
beyond the limits you set for yourself. I hope you mature beyond that
level, but you haven't shown that potential.


You will forgive me if I decide not to use your assessment of my level
of maturity for anything besides laughing at. For you really have no
idea what you are talking about even though you like to act like you do.
Who thinks you have the knowledge and information required to pass
judgment on me? Certainly not I. I too am done with this as well other
than to say I couldn't disagree with you any more on how valuable a
college education is.