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OT - Senate Republicans vote to kill Obama's jobs bill..Why DoRepublicans Hate America?
On Oct 28, 12:51*pm, Hawke wrote:
On 10/26/2011 5:11 AM, Tom S. wrote: On Oct 26, 3:08 am, *wrote: Whatever. I think it's far more the case that everyone here knows exactly what I mean. The problem is they don't agree with me because they are members of the far right. Those folks have trouble understanding anyone but themselves. Any time you present ideas that are either moderate or even slightly to the left of center it either confuses or enrages them, or both. So try reading what I write a bit more carefully. I think you'll find that I'm writing on a level everyone here should understand. If you can't I think it's not me that has the problem. Maybe it's you. Well, maybe it's YOU? Maybe it's the fact you're an incoherent, pompous, immature dolt. Hey Dan, here's what I am talking about. Everyone understands me just fine. Take this right winger, for example. He understood what I wrote. But as I also said about the right wingers, everything I write either enrages or confuses them or both. From the level of his personal attack against me, I'd say this one is enraged . But that is to be expected when you can't come up with a cogent argument backed by facts that proves me to be wrong about something. So, they call me names. Hawke It sounds to me as if they are just describing your actions. Immature because you will not admit you are wrong about the damage to the White House. Pompous because you bring up having gone to college as if it is something special. I expect a large majority of the people who post here have graduated from college. And incoherent because you make up your own definitions as to what words mean. It sounds to me as if they understand you all right. What you write does not enrage me. I mean to say why should I get mad just because you can not make a cogent coherent statement. Some of the things you say confuse me because you use your own definitions of words that differ from the standard convention. And I have come up with cogent arguments backed by fact that prove you wrong about saying there was no damage done by departing Clinton staff. So wail away at the keyboard and try to worm out of it, but anyone reading this now or as long as it is archived on the internet can see how immature you are. Dan |
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OT - Senate Republicans vote to kill Obama's jobs bill..Why DoRepublicans Hate America?
On Oct 29, 1:02*pm, Hawke wrote:
Why should I admit to something that I don't believe is true? Or is so petty that it was never worth mentioning and only was by political opponents. The question for you is why do you value the accusations that come only from right wing opponents of the Clinton's? The question I have is why do you not believe it is true? Certainly there are enough facts that say it is true. I do not only value the accusations made by right wing opponents of the Clintons. I just thought it strange that you can not bring yourself to believe what is well documented to be true. * Pompous because you bring up having gone to college as if it is something *special. I only brought it up in the first place to establish that I have a degree in a field that a lot of discussions take place in. That means I'm not just some ignorant or untrained amateur like most folks here are. Second, only about 25% of adult Americans have completed a college degree. Meaning 75% don't have one. The fact that 75% don't have one does mean having one is special. Of course, that's by my definition of special. If you post logical coherent statements, everyone will believe you are intelligent. No need to bring up that you went to college. I do not think I ever said if I went to college, but perhaps I did. I figure that if I post intelligent things, people will think I am intelligent regardless of whether I went to college or not. And if they think I am intelligent, then I probably am somewhat special. * I expect a large majority of the people who post here have graduated from college. Statistically speaking that would not be true. As I said 75% of people don't have a degree and people in the "trades" in general are even less inclined to have one. So you might "expect" the majority of people who post here have degrees the statistics say otherwise. Excuse me if I choose to go with statistics over your expectations. Yes No and Maybe. You need to consider that those that read and post in RCM might not be considered the general public. So while a college degree might be not especially common in the general public, I think it may be very common amoung those that post here. So I would suggest you are not so hot with statistics as you confuse a small group as being representative of the general public. Did you take statistics in college? * *And incoherent because you make up your own definitions as to what words mean. *It sounds to me as if they understand you all right. Like I said, they do understand me. They just don't like hearing points of view that are not from the far right side. As to making up my own definitions that is not something I alone do. So do most people. What you write does not enrage me. *I mean to say why should I get mad just because you can not make a cogent coherent statement. Obviously I make cogent and easily understandable statements all the time. Otherwise you would not understand me. As to why what I write would make you mad is because I express opinions you strongly disagree with. FYI that sort of thing makes many on the right very angry. It really does not bother me that you express opinions, whatever they are. I do try to point out to you where you make logical errors. Such as the one above on statistics. * *Some of the things you say confuse me because you use your own definitions of words that differ from the standard convention. So you believe. But I think the problem is your way of comprehending what is written. You are very rigid in your thinking and are not good at grasping anything besides the obvious. Actually I am very good at grasping ideas beyond the obvious. But believe when posting in a public place such as RCM where there are many people with different opinions, that one needs to express oneself concisely. It may have something to do with having edited a lot of technical stuff where sloppy writing is not accepted. * And I *have come up with cogent arguments backed by fact that prove you wrong about saying there was no damage done by departing Clinton staff. *So wail away at the keyboard and try to worm out of it, but anyone reading this now or as long as it is archived on the internet can see how immature you are. Some might agree with your assessment, Dan. But not everyone. In fact, many people would agree with me that a small amount of breakage in the White House isn't properly described as damage. But the statement you said was false clearly said $15,000 in damages. That is what you said was false. Especially when the claims are made by right wingers who are out to smear the Clinton's name. Moreover, I doubt many people will agree with you that what I have said is in any way immature. What I think they will think is that you were really desperate to be right about the Clinton's doing a lot of "damage" to the White House. So you constructed an ineffective argument to back that assertion up, and that the truth is what I have maintained all along, and that is the White House was not damaged by the Clintons'. Characterizing it that was was politically done and didn't reflect the truth. I do not think the actions of the Clinton's staff do not have anything to do with the Clintons. I can not conceive of the Clintons condoning what was done. And it was probably the action of one or two people, not the actions of most of the staff. Likely it was done by someone who was about to be out of a job and someone who had worked really hard to keep the Democrats in the White House. So I am not in the least bit desperate to be right about Clinton's staff doing a lot of damage. That all happened a long time ago. But that is what the GAO reports says. You are the one that is desperately defending something. I am just trying to see if you can accept facts. Dan Hawke |
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On Oct 30, 7:01*pm, Hawke wrote:
I did. From what I learned there I can tell you that a newsgroup about a trade like metalworking will probably have mainly tradesmen in it. Bad assumption. RCM is not about a trade like metalworking. Note the R. That stands for recreational. In other words it is a group about recreational metalworking. Which tends to say the people who frequent it do metalworking for fun not as a trade. In other words it is not a newsgroup about a trade. It is a newsgroup for people that enjoy metalworking. If it was an engineering group I'd expect most people would have college degrees. Assuming most people here are metal working related workers I think it's a fair assumption that most people in this group don't have degrees. 75% of the public has no college degree. If we are representative of that population then most people here don't have a degree. If we are representative of metalworkers in general then you would expect that population to be less well educated than the general public. Ah but we are not representative of metalworkers in general. We are a bunch of people who have a hobby of metalworking and like to discuss metalworking. And I do not know where you get the idea that machinists are less educated that the general public. It really does not bother me that you express opinions, whatever they are. *I do try to point out to you where you make logical errors. Such as the one above on statistics. To make a charge that I've made a statistical error you have to prove it. But you don't have a clue how many people here have college degrees. You just made a guess. OTOH, I estimated based on education level statistics how many people here should have a college education. If you think I am wrong then I say show me that more than 50% of the people here have a degree in something. The error you made was assuming that the folks that post in RCM are representative of the general public. But they are not. Just the fact that they post in a newsgroup means they are different from the general public. I do not have to prove how many people here have college degrees to know you made an error, You made an error you in your initial assumption. That is the statistical error you made. I guess that explains it. You aren't editing things here though. You are having a casual conversation that is on another level. It's informal. Anything goes. Anything goes. I guess that includes bad logic, false statements, lies, etc. That may apply to you, but I try to be rational even in informal conversations. Dan |
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OT - Senate Republicans vote to kill Obama's jobs bill..Why Do Republicans Hate America?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:07:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Oct 30, 7:01*pm, Hawke wrote: I did. From what I learned there I can tell you that a newsgroup about a trade like metalworking will probably have mainly tradesmen in it. Bad assumption. RCM is not about a trade like metalworking. Note the R. That stands for recreational. In other words it is a group about recreational metalworking. Which tends to say the people who frequent it do metalworking for fun not as a trade. In other words it is not a newsgroup about a trade. It is a newsgroup for people that enjoy metalworking. If it was an engineering group I'd expect most people would have college degrees. Assuming most people here are metal working related workers I think it's a fair assumption that most people in this group don't have degrees. 75% of the public has no college degree. If we are representative of that population then most people here don't have a degree. If we are representative of metalworkers in general then you would expect that population to be less well educated than the general public. Ah but we are not representative of metalworkers in general. We are a bunch of people who have a hobby of metalworking and like to discuss metalworking. And I do not know where you get the idea that machinists are less educated that the general public. It really does not bother me that you express opinions, whatever they are. *I do try to point out to you where you make logical errors. Such as the one above on statistics. To make a charge that I've made a statistical error you have to prove it. But you don't have a clue how many people here have college degrees. You just made a guess. OTOH, I estimated based on education level statistics how many people here should have a college education. If you think I am wrong then I say show me that more than 50% of the people here have a degree in something. The error you made was assuming that the folks that post in RCM are representative of the general public. But they are not. Just the fact that they post in a newsgroup means they are different from the general public. I do not have to prove how many people here have college degrees to know you made an error, You made an error you in your initial assumption. That is the statistical error you made. I guess that explains it. You aren't editing things here though. You are having a casual conversation that is on another level. It's informal. Anything goes. Anything goes. I guess that includes bad logic, false statements, lies, etc. That may apply to you, but I try to be rational even in informal conversations. Dan Hack is a douche bag. |
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