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Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Spehro Pefhany fired this volley in
: Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. Buy it already cut! LLoyd |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:53:59 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Spehro Pefhany fired this volley in : Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. Buy it already cut! LLoyd No can do. Anyway, our thickness needs might change over the years it takes to go through the amount we have to buy each time, so slicing off a chunk to send out for machining is what I aim to do. |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Spehro Pefhany fired this volley in
: No can do. Anyway, our thickness needs might change over the years it takes to go through the amount we have to buy each time, so slicing off a chunk to send out for machining is what I aim to do. Not for nothin', but it might be cheaper to send AND ship back the whole piece to a shop that can handle it. That's a big lump o'metal. If the shop is in a 50 mile radius of you, it would probably be cheaper to do it that way. LLoyd |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
... Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. A few years ago (20?) we had a pneumatically stroked ut-off saw that could do that with an abrasive disk... Maybe look for a similar machine? Otherwise, that band saw is probably the best bet other than hiring someone else to do it. Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 x113 01.908.542.0244 Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-HQ.com Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/ VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/AutoDrill TWITTER: http://twitter.com/AutoDrill V8013-R |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
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Spehro Pefhany wrote: Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. 14" abrasive saw and some rollers? Would be best if you could rig a slow power feed to counter-rotate the cylinder, and a counterweighted slide for the saw to ride down into the work under light pressure. String (aka wire) saw (homebrew, unless you have one.) Good choice for minimum waste in the kerf. Plus, it's a project, and may have more general uses than the above minor project. Might still benefit from the rollers and counter-rotation. Chuck it in a 16"-24" lathe and part it off? -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away. |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:23:52 -0400, Ecnerwal
wrote: In article , Spehro Pefhany wrote: Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. 14" abrasive saw and some rollers? Would be best if you could rig a slow power feed to counter-rotate the cylinder, and a counterweighted slide for the saw to ride down into the work under light pressure. That could work. A bit messy. String (aka wire) saw (homebrew, unless you have one.) Good choice for minimum waste in the kerf. Plus, it's a project, and may have more general uses than the above minor project. Might still benefit from the rollers and counter-rotation. Interesting thought. Are the hacksaw machines still available? Chuck it in a 16"-24" lathe and part it off? That would be exciting. |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
"Ecnerwal" wrote in message ... In article , Spehro Pefhany wrote: Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. 14" abrasive saw and some rollers? Would be best if you could rig a slow power feed to counter-rotate the cylinder, and a counterweighted slide for the saw to ride down into the work under light pressure. String (aka wire) saw (homebrew, unless you have one.) Good choice for minimum waste in the kerf. Plus, it's a project, and may have more general uses than the above minor project. Might still benefit from the rollers and counter-rotation. Chuck it in a 16"-24" lathe and part it off? http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/2614599136.html (no connection w/ seller) Art |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:11:33 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Spehro Pefhany fired this volley in : No can do. Anyway, our thickness needs might change over the years it takes to go through the amount we have to buy each time, so slicing off a chunk to send out for machining is what I aim to do. Not for nothin', but it might be cheaper to send AND ship back the whole piece to a shop that can handle it. That's a big lump o'metal. If the shop is in a 50 mile radius of you, it would probably be cheaper to do it that way. LLoyd I agree. Most of my clients use cutting shops for this sort of thing. Sometimes..you simply have to send it out. Gunner "In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our country." - David Lloyyd (2008) |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:35:43 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:11:33 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Spehro Pefhany fired this volley in m: No can do. Anyway, our thickness needs might change over the years it takes to go through the amount we have to buy each time, so slicing off a chunk to send out for machining is what I aim to do. Not for nothin', but it might be cheaper to send AND ship back the whole piece to a shop that can handle it. That's a big lump o'metal. If the shop is in a 50 mile radius of you, it would probably be cheaper to do it that way. LLoyd I agree. Most of my clients use cutting shops for this sort of thing. Sometimes..you simply have to send it out. Gunner That might be the best way to do it at the end of the day. Make a wood cradle for the thing, strap it in and take it to a shop that has the tools. |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:53:59 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Spehro Pefhany fired this volley in : Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. Buy it already cut! Why doesn't he just jig up his Force Blade knife and power it up to make the cuts in a few seconds each? (Can you tell I just finished David Weber's _In Fury Born_? Wow, what an exciting book!) -- Worry is a misuse of imagination. -- Dan Zadra |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Oct 4, 4:10*pm, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:23:52 -0400, Ecnerwal wrote: In article , Spehro Pefhany wrote: Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. 14" abrasive saw and some rollers? Would be best if you could rig a slow power feed to counter-rotate the cylinder, and a counterweighted slide for the saw to ride down into the work under light pressure. That could work. A bit messy. String (aka wire) saw (homebrew, unless you have one.) Good choice for minimum waste in the kerf. Plus, it's a project, and may have more general uses than the above minor project. Might still benefit from the rollers and counter-rotation. Interesting thought. Are the hacksaw machines still available? Chuck it in a 16"-24" lathe and part it off? That would be exciting. 14" *cold saw* as opposed to an abrasive cutoff saw. Just need to rig a way to hold the arm up in the air, and to rotate the workpiece. Dave |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. not sure how you're going to do it, but the steel mill here cuts stuff like that all the time in a gigantic HEM saw. The blade moves really slow and it appears to take ages to make a cut. It's much larger than these http://www.hemsaw.com/bandsaw/wideflangebandsaw.htm |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message ... Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. See if your friendly neighborhood hydraulic cylinder rebuilder will cut it for you. My little 4x6 bandsaw can cut off 8" diameter by 3" long by rigging up a work support table on the blade side. I've shortened a W10 x 30 steel beam with it. jsw |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Take it to a fab shop.
i On 2011-10-04, Spehro Pefhany wrote: Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Chainsaw with carbide chain?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message ... Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:30:15 -0400, the renowned "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Chainsaw with carbide chain? They make something like that for cutting pipe- it straps around the pipe. Looks brutal. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. Make your saw any size you want! http://www.mooseforge.com/library/powerhacksaw.pdf http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INLMK32?PARTPG=INSRAR2 --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Winston wrote:
Make your saw any size you want! http://www.mooseforge.com/library/powerhacksaw.pdf ... You don't want to make that one - it doesn't lift on the back stroke. I.e., it drags on the teeth. Bob |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Oct 5, 12:18*pm, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Winston wrote: Make your saw any size you want! http://www.mooseforge.com/library/powerhacksaw.pdf ... You don't want to make that one - it doesn't lift on the back stroke. I.e., it drags on the teeth. Bob I made one of these about twenty years ago. It would have been nice to have it lift on the backstroke, but it worked. Dan |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Winston wrote: Make your saw any size you want! http://www.mooseforge.com/library/powerhacksaw.pdf ... You don't want to make that one - it doesn't lift on the back stroke. I.e., it drags on the teeth. So 'dragging' isn't design requirement? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvhZxfMPDU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh8QcXLSZGg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcgm5iucqK4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apb6SwhGrIg --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
wrote:
On Oct 5, 12:18 pm, Bob wrote: Winston wrote: Make your saw any size you want! http://www.mooseforge.com/library/powerhacksaw.pdf ... You don't want to make that one - it doesn't lift on the back stroke. I.e., it drags on the teeth. Bob I made one of these about twenty years ago. It would have been nice to have it lift on the backstroke, but it worked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgD-THW9PJs This Marvel is quite a mechanical puzzle, but it does appear to lift the blade on the back stroke. --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Oct 5, 2:10*pm, Winston wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgD-THW9PJs This Marvel is quite a mechanical puzzle, but it does appear to lift the blade on the back stroke. --Winston Now I have a horizontal bandsaw but would have to jury rig something for things bigger than 6 by 10. Dan |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Winston wrote:
So 'dragging' isn't design requirement? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvhZxfMPDU .... Dragging does seem to be a common "feature". But if I were buying or building one, I'd want "lift". In 7th grade I had metal shop & when we were taught to use a manual hacksaw, it was "lift on the back stroke". I'd say it's just as important, if not more so, for a power hacksaw. Bob |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Winston wrote: So 'dragging' isn't design requirement? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvhZxfMPDU ... Dragging does seem to be a common "feature". But if I were buying or building one, I'd want "lift". In 7th grade I had metal shop & when we were taught to use a manual hacksaw, it was "lift on the back stroke". I'd say it's just as important, if not more so, for a power hacksaw. I agree. It would be cool to create the lift using a simple mechanism, though, --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:54:32 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: Other than buying a huge $8-10K horizontal or guillotine bandsaw, can you guys think of any way of slicing a 12.5" diameter cylinder of metal stock into 2-4" thick disks? I don't really care if it takes all day to do it. This would get used once in a blue moon. Weight of the piece is probably more than 700lb. If you could apply the wire EDM principle you could probably cut it using wire and electricity. Not sure how difficult or expensive it would be to rig up a custom cutting set up. EDM makes nice cuts to near net though. Dave |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:18:03 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote: Winston wrote: Make your saw any size you want! http://www.mooseforge.com/library/powerhacksaw.pdf ... You don't want to make that one - it doesn't lift on the back stroke. I.e., it drags on the teeth. Bob mmmm.... doesn't it depend on how often the saw is used? Drag on the teeth will dull the blade, yes. But blades aren't horribly expensive, and the application is once in a blue moon. Wholesale Tool has a 21" blade, 4tpi for $6. Others are up to $20. If each cut ruins two blades, that's 12-40 bucks for the cut. Which is only going to happen once in a while. So I'd consider building that power hacksaw a bit oversize. Okay, a lot oversize. :-) -- Best -- Terry |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Terry wrote:
(...) mmmm.... doesn't it depend on how often the saw is used? Drag on the teeth will dull the blade, yes. But blades aren't horribly expensive, and the application is once in a blue moon. Wholesale Tool has a 21" blade, 4tpi for $6. Others are up to $20. If each cut ruins two blades, that's 12-40 bucks for the cut. Which is only going to happen once in a while. Plus, power hacksaws that lift the blade on the backstroke are in the minority. Many didn't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvhZxfMPDU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh8QcXLSZGg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcgm5iucqK4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apb6SwhGrIg (...) --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:54:32 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: Just for closure- first batch we're getting cut off at a supplier, who also happens to have a ratty but compact guilliotine-style (two post) bandsaw for sale that can do it in two cuts. Asking price for the saw is $2K. |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:54:32 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote: Just for closure- first batch we're getting cut off at a supplier, who also happens to have a ratty but compact guilliotine-style (two post) bandsaw for sale that can do it in two cuts. Asking price for the saw is $2K. Did they use that particular saw to cut off your first batch, or a saw that made the cuts in one pass each? --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:55:10 -0700, Winston
wrote: Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:54:32 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote: Just for closure- first batch we're getting cut off at a supplier, who also happens to have a ratty but compact guilliotine-style (two post) bandsaw for sale that can do it in two cuts. Asking price for the saw is $2K. Did they use that particular saw to cut off your first batch, or a saw that made the cuts in one pass each? --Winston He's got another bigger saw that can cut in one go, but he's not selling that one (and only wants to sell this one to make room for something else). A bit of a machinery hoarder this guy. ;-) |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
(...) He's got another bigger saw that can cut in one go, but he's not selling that one (and only wants to sell this one to make room for something else). A bit of a machinery hoarder this guy. ;-) I wouldn't know anything about that. :) The price is right but I'm concerned about the amount of 'cleanup' necessary to make the ends of your discs parallel. --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Winston fired this volley in news:j6lau705t6
@news3.newsguy.com: The price is right but I'm concerned about the amount of 'cleanup' necessary to make the ends of your discs parallel. That's just a "little" lathe work... G LLoyd |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
The incomparable Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
fired this volley in news:j6lau705t6 @news3.newsguy.com: The price is right but I'm concerned about the amount of 'cleanup' necessary to make the ends of your discs parallel. That's just a "little" lathe work...G It's a 'perspective' thing. Each workpiece weighs about 11.6 x as much as my lathe, so I have a different point of view. :) --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Winston fired this volley in news:j6ld2v02302
@news7.newsguy.com: Each workpiece weighs about 11.6 x as much as my lathe, so I have a different point of view. :) You've got - what? - a Unimat? Each individual slice would fit fine on my lathe, and it's not a big one. The whole rod, no... LLoyd |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
fired this volley in news:j6ld2v02302 @news7.newsguy.com: Each workpiece weighs about 11.6 x as much as my lathe, so I have a different point of view. :) You've got - what? - a Unimat? Sherline! Each individual slice would fit fine on my lathe, and it's not a big one. The whole rod, no... I am in awe. A 278 lb. workpiece is a *big* workpiece. I haven't seen anything like that since my days moonlighting for an outfit that was making a scanning electron microscope. --Winston |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On 2011-10-06, Winston wrote:
The incomparable Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: fired this volley in news:j6lau705t6 @news3.newsguy.com: The price is right but I'm concerned about the amount of 'cleanup' necessary to make the ends of your discs parallel. That's just a "little" lathe work...G It's a 'perspective' thing. Each workpiece weighs about 11.6 x as much as my lathe, so I have a different point of view. I thought that the weight specified way back thread was the overall weight of the raw stock prior to cutting into the slices. Looks like about 29.4 lbs per inch of length, or 139 lbs per 4" slice -- so that may have indeed been the weight of the workpiece. Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On 7 Oct 2011 03:41:50 GMT, the renowned "DoN. Nichols"
wrote: On 2011-10-06, Winston wrote: The incomparable Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: fired this volley in news:j6lau705t6 @news3.newsguy.com: The price is right but I'm concerned about the amount of 'cleanup' necessary to make the ends of your discs parallel. That's just a "little" lathe work...G It's a 'perspective' thing. Each workpiece weighs about 11.6 x as much as my lathe, so I have a different point of view. I thought that the weight specified way back thread was the overall weight of the raw stock prior to cutting into the slices. Looks like about 29.4 lbs per inch of length, or 139 lbs per 4" slice -- so that may have indeed been the weight of the workpiece. Enjoy, DoN. Right, about 135 lbs per 4", which is only about 4x as much as a Sherline weighs. ;-) Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
Slicing a big (12.5" diameter) "rod" of metal
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:08:34 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:54:32 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote: Just for closure- first batch we're getting cut off at a supplier, who also happens to have a ratty but compact guilliotine-style (two post) bandsaw for sale that can do it in two cuts. Asking price for the saw is $2K. Hey Speff, Auction today had 9" Wells same design as that. It went for $200. Not in bad shape. It would certainly "hold" a 12" diameter if the vise jaws were exteded up, and would work if you cut through the 9" or at least 1/2 way through and them rotated to complete the cut. Brian Lawson |
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