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Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you
think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Thanks for any comments. Joe |
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On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:35:35 -0500, justme wrote:
Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Thanks for any comments. Joe Is the Patent on the dual saw up? or did HF just rip them off? Remove 333 to reply. Randy |
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Randy333 wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:35:35 -0500, justme wrote: Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Thanks for any comments. Joe Is the Patent on the dual saw up? or did HF just rip them off? Harbor Freight doesn't manufacture anything. The patent could have expired, or the owner of the patent could have licensed it to make more money. |
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Pete C. wrote:
Randy333 wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:35:35 -0500, justme wrote: Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Thanks for any comments. Joe Is the Patent on the dual saw up? or did HF just rip them off? Harbor Freight doesn't manufacture anything. The patent could have expired, or the owner of the patent could have licensed it to make more money. Not sure but the "original" was an Australian design. We have two, one the newer Craftsman unit with the larger motor and blades and the other is a Duo-Saw. Both work well and the BIG benefit for the Fire Dept is that they will cut through just about anything on a car without changing blades. They also generated less heat and sparks so using them on vehicles is safer than using a normal chop saw. You can take out a side window then cut though the pillars and glass like butter. Less mess and safer because the blades are smaller and more controlled than most other tools.They are also a LOT lighter than most other cutting tools as well. Quieter as well. -- Steve W. |
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"Steve W." wrote in message
... Pete C. wrote: Randy333 wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:35:35 -0500, justme wrote: Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Thanks for any comments. Joe Is the Patent on the dual saw up? or did HF just rip them off? Harbor Freight doesn't manufacture anything. The patent could have expired, or the owner of the patent could have licensed it to make more money. Not sure but the "original" was an Australian design. We have two, one the newer Craftsman unit with the larger motor and blades and the other is a Duo-Saw. Both work well and the BIG benefit for the Fire Dept is that they will cut through just about anything on a car without changing blades. They also generated less heat and sparks so using them on vehicles is safer than using a normal chop saw. You can take out a side window then cut though the pillars and glass like butter. Less mess and safer because the blades are smaller and more controlled than most other tools.They are also a LOT lighter than most other cutting tools as well. Quieter as well. You sound like the infomercial. None of what you cite is necessarily due to the counterrotation claims. Why would counterrotation reduce sparks? It's the net pitch of the blade. -- EA -- Steve W. |
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On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:35:35 -0500, justme wrote:
Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Bogus idea borrowed from the fidiots at Searz. Keep moving, folks. Nothing to see here. -- It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctively native American criminal class except Congress. -- Mark Twain |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:35:35 -0500, justme wrote: Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Bogus idea borrowed from the fidiots at Searz. Sears??? I thought Billy Mays invented the dualsaw.... oh, the inventor on the infomercial.... Did sears rip it off ? Keep moving, folks. Nothing to see here. Actually there is a lot to see ito infomercial sleight-of-hand -- but no one really seems innerested in the details. I think analyzing those bull**** infomercials are great educations, esp. for newbies or the unwitting. -- It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctively native American criminal class except Congress. -- Mark Twain Heh, good ole Mark Twain -- a prophet. -- EA |
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"justme" wrote in message
... Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Thanks for any comments. See my 5/15 thread, Dual Saw Infomercial. What's HF charging? Dudn't really matter, cuz the concept is basically bogus, as someone else indicated. Yer better off with a fine-toothed trim saw, or any kind of blade on a 4 1/2" angle grinder. Or a fine-toothed blade on a 7 1/4" circ saw, which you proly already have. Heh, or a sawzall..... Note that there is steel and there is steel. ANY saw will cut corrugated zinc/steel, or any of that bull**** on the infomercial, ANY carbide blade will go through nails in 2x4, etc. It's really all in the blade, sfpm permitting. There are circular saw blades for cutting real steel plate, but they are proly very expensive, and proly don't have the longest life, bein as the sfpm is just all wrong from the gitgo, and this type of stuff is proly just for field-type necessity stuff.. Also keep this in mind: Even a top-quality dualsaw-type mechanism is complicated, and *therefore* of questionable long-term durability, compared to sawzalls, circ saws, etc.. Infomercial/ HF quality certainly aren't going to help durability issue, but at least with HF, you ain't payin top ripoff dollar. Bargain or not, you gotta know what to buy from HF and what not to buy. -- EA Joe |
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Thanks, guys.
I didn't see this from an infomercial but H.F. email. So, I take it that no one has one. Joe On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:35:35 -0500, justme wrote: Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Thanks for any comments. Joe |
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"justme" wrote in message
... Thanks, guys. I didn't see this from an infomercial but H.F. email. So, I take it that no one has one. No one admitted so in my thread, either. Some inneresting threads on this on alt.home.repair, as well, altho more bickering than discussion goes on there. Keep in mind that I routinely cut 1" thick solid alium, up to 3" thick, on a radial arm saw, with a fine-tooth 10" blade, from HD -- a two or three blade pack for about $30. Be aware of the diffs in climb/conventional cutting, and a cupla safety issues, tho. Best to to cut thick material conventionally, which in a RAS means pushing in to the material against the stop -- much greater control, altho you gotta make sure the blade doesn't lift/throw the material. There is a video of a shop class instructor cutting mebbe 4 or 6" solid alum with a circular saw.... wow..... Also, keep in mind, when all else fails, use abrasive blades. Walters makes wheels for alum grinding, I'm sure there are abrasive blades for alum cutting. Just like for ceramics, etc. Bottom line is, imo, the dualsaw is an absolute ripoff, a kind of "pointless technology". No one else here seems to get their panties in a bunch the way I do over all this, but a ripoff is a ripoff, a mind**** is a mind****. All of it is an outrage, and imo is part and parcel of the Global Economic Ass****ing. -- EA Joe On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:35:35 -0500, justme wrote: Does anyone have this 5" Double Cut Saw SKU 68316? If so, what do you think of it, especially for steel and aluminum? I have other devices to cut each but it would be nice to have something like this if worth a flip. I know that are metal cutting circular saw blades but they are expensive. Thanks for any comments. Joe |
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Existential Angst wrote:
"justme" wrote in message ... Thanks, guys. I didn't see this from an infomercial but H.F. email. So, I take it that no one has one. No one admitted so in my thread, either. Some inneresting threads on this on alt.home.repair, as well, altho more bickering than discussion goes on there. Guess you didn't see mine then. We have 2 for our FD. The original inventor designed them for Fire Dept usage. Then discovered that like every other "new" tool the fire service would rather hold to tradition than progress... Keep in mind that I routinely cut 1" thick solid alium, up to 3" thick, on a radial arm saw, with a fine-tooth 10" blade, from HD -- a two or three blade pack for about $30. Be aware of the diffs in climb/conventional cutting, and a cupla safety issues, tho. Best to to cut thick material conventionally, which in a RAS means pushing in to the material against the stop -- much greater control, altho you gotta make sure the blade doesn't lift/throw the material. There is a video of a shop class instructor cutting mebbe 4 or 6" solid alum with a circular saw.... wow..... Also, keep in mind, when all else fails, use abrasive blades. Walters makes wheels for alum grinding, I'm sure there are abrasive blades for alum cutting. Just like for ceramics, etc. Abrasive work well. BUT would you like to be sprayed with a shower of hot sparks while sitting behind the wheel with a couple broken legs and maybe an open wound or two? Bottom line is, imo, the dualsaw is an absolute ripoff, a kind of "pointless technology". No one else here seems to get their panties in a bunch the way I do over all this, but a ripoff is a ripoff, a mind**** is a mind****. All of it is an outrage, and imo is part and parcel of the Global Economic Ass****ing. Actually it does the job it was intended for very well. Cutting open a vehicle with minimal noise and sparks compared to 99% of our normal tools. It is also MUCH lighter than most other tools used and doesn't require a lot of extra training to use. About the only gripe I have with ours is the lube you are supposed to use between the blades. When the temps climb the stuff likes to get really sticky and makes it messy. So we generally just use some good spray on lube, just draw the cut lines on the vehicle with the lube and cut. -- Steve W. |
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Steve W.
If you are talking to me then, no, I didn't see your reply. I am confused Steve, are you saying that your FD has the dual blade saw and uses it regularly? If so, how does it hold up? Thanks Joe On Thu, 19 May 2011 19:50:37 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Existential Angst wrote: "justme" wrote in message ... Thanks, guys. I didn't see this from an infomercial but H.F. email. So, I take it that no one has one. No one admitted so in my thread, either. Some inneresting threads on this on alt.home.repair, as well, altho more bickering than discussion goes on there. Guess you didn't see mine then. We have 2 for our FD. The original inventor designed them for Fire Dept usage. Then discovered that like every other "new" tool the fire service would rather hold to tradition than progress... Keep in mind that I routinely cut 1" thick solid alium, up to 3" thick, on a radial arm saw, with a fine-tooth 10" blade, from HD -- a two or three blade pack for about $30. Be aware of the diffs in climb/conventional cutting, and a cupla safety issues, tho. Best to to cut thick material conventionally, which in a RAS means pushing in to the material against the stop -- much greater control, altho you gotta make sure the blade doesn't lift/throw the material. There is a video of a shop class instructor cutting mebbe 4 or 6" solid alum with a circular saw.... wow..... Also, keep in mind, when all else fails, use abrasive blades. Walters makes wheels for alum grinding, I'm sure there are abrasive blades for alum cutting. Just like for ceramics, etc. Abrasive work well. BUT would you like to be sprayed with a shower of hot sparks while sitting behind the wheel with a couple broken legs and maybe an open wound or two? Bottom line is, imo, the dualsaw is an absolute ripoff, a kind of "pointless technology". No one else here seems to get their panties in a bunch the way I do over all this, but a ripoff is a ripoff, a mind**** is a mind****. All of it is an outrage, and imo is part and parcel of the Global Economic Ass****ing. Actually it does the job it was intended for very well. Cutting open a vehicle with minimal noise and sparks compared to 99% of our normal tools. It is also MUCH lighter than most other tools used and doesn't require a lot of extra training to use. About the only gripe I have with ours is the lube you are supposed to use between the blades. When the temps climb the stuff likes to get really sticky and makes it messy. So we generally just use some good spray on lube, just draw the cut lines on the vehicle with the lube and cut. |
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"justme" wrote in message
... Steve W. If you are talking to me then, no, I didn't see your reply. I am confused Steve, are you saying that your FD has the dual blade saw and uses it regularly? If so, how does it hold up? Steve needs to do some rationale A/B comparisons with a suitable equipped/bladed circular saw. I'll bet the results greatly favor a circular saw. As far as abrasives/sparks go, sheeit, they DO work for a FD, they should have spark umbrellas and fire/flash suppressors, no? A Stihl gas-powered abrasive saws cut through 12x12 ties and 4x4 steel in railroad yards -- I'd like to see a dual saw do that. Oh, and proly $5 per blade, as well, vs, what, $50-$100 for a pair of dualsaw blades? Gimme a break. Now, mebbe there are some rescue advantages to this gadget, altho I sorta doubt it, but even if there are, that doesn't at all translate into shop practicality or economy. -- EA Thanks Joe On Thu, 19 May 2011 19:50:37 -0400, "Steve W." wrote: Existential Angst wrote: "justme" wrote in message ... Thanks, guys. I didn't see this from an infomercial but H.F. email. So, I take it that no one has one. No one admitted so in my thread, either. Some inneresting threads on this on alt.home.repair, as well, altho more bickering than discussion goes on there. Guess you didn't see mine then. We have 2 for our FD. The original inventor designed them for Fire Dept usage. Then discovered that like every other "new" tool the fire service would rather hold to tradition than progress... Keep in mind that I routinely cut 1" thick solid alium, up to 3" thick, on a radial arm saw, with a fine-tooth 10" blade, from HD -- a two or three blade pack for about $30. Be aware of the diffs in climb/conventional cutting, and a cupla safety issues, tho. Best to to cut thick material conventionally, which in a RAS means pushing in to the material against the stop -- much greater control, altho you gotta make sure the blade doesn't lift/throw the material. There is a video of a shop class instructor cutting mebbe 4 or 6" solid alum with a circular saw.... wow..... Also, keep in mind, when all else fails, use abrasive blades. Walters makes wheels for alum grinding, I'm sure there are abrasive blades for alum cutting. Just like for ceramics, etc. Abrasive work well. BUT would you like to be sprayed with a shower of hot sparks while sitting behind the wheel with a couple broken legs and maybe an open wound or two? Bottom line is, imo, the dualsaw is an absolute ripoff, a kind of "pointless technology". No one else here seems to get their panties in a bunch the way I do over all this, but a ripoff is a ripoff, a mind**** is a mind****. All of it is an outrage, and imo is part and parcel of the Global Economic Ass****ing. Actually it does the job it was intended for very well. Cutting open a vehicle with minimal noise and sparks compared to 99% of our normal tools. It is also MUCH lighter than most other tools used and doesn't require a lot of extra training to use. About the only gripe I have with ours is the lube you are supposed to use between the blades. When the temps climb the stuff likes to get really sticky and makes it messy. So we generally just use some good spray on lube, just draw the cut lines on the vehicle with the lube and cut. |
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justme wrote:
Steve W. If you are talking to me then, no, I didn't see your reply. I am confused Steve, are you saying that your FD has the dual blade saw and uses it regularly? If so, how does it hold up? Thanks Joe Holds up just fine. When we have used it during training it gets used a LOT more than on a typical call. We will cut the entire roof off, do a floor access cut, cut through the doors, cut through hoods, Whatever might come up as a possible use on a call. For actual MVAs we have used it maybe 10 times. We don't get a lot of calls where you need to cut for access usually. For the most part it does as well or better than the normal tools we would use and it's a LOT faster. For glass it will cut a LOT faster than something like a glass-master tool will. With sheet metal and things like A-B-C pillars it is a lot easier to work with and as fast as the jaws. We have two of them, one is a newer Craftsman unit with the larger motor and the other is one of the Duo-Saw units. Both work well as long as you don't try to overpower the tools. Just like the rest of the gear we use. -- Steve W. |
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Thanks, E.A. for your information.
I guess that I will have to spring for another H.F. 14" abrasive chop saw strictly for aluminum. Then, try a fine toothed blade in my RAS, too for aluminum. I did a longitudinal cut in a 5 foot length of 3/4 inch aluminum and I had the shop doors open and the RAS grabbed that plate and threw it against the house about 15 feet away with an awful sound when it hit the brick wall. I just don't have any idea of what it would have do to my stomach had I been in the way of it. It really taught me a lesson. Really, this plate shot out of the shop so fast that it was very scary. Yes, I never cease to be amazed on what has happened to the world. It seems, no it really is that everyone is at everyone else's throat. I am a ham radio operator and years ago, no matter what frequency that you tuned in on, not a harsh word was ever spoken and the mantra hamdom was help the other fellow. If he needed a part that you had, it was his, gratis. I hate to be so negative but due to our lack of cohesive, we are doomed. Enough of my rambling. Thanks for the tips. Joe On Thu, 19 May 2011 19:30:22 -0400, "Existential Angst" wrote: "justme" wrote in message .. . Thanks, guys. I didn't see this from an infomercial but H.F. email. So, I take it that no one has one. No one admitted so in my thread, either. Some inneresting threads on this on alt.home.repair, as well, altho more bickering than discussion goes on there. Keep in mind that I routinely cut 1" thick solid alium, up to 3" thick, on a radial arm saw, with a fine-tooth 10" blade, from HD -- a two or three blade pack for about $30. Be aware of the diffs in climb/conventional cutting, and a cupla safety issues, tho. Best to to cut thick material conventionally, which in a RAS means pushing in to the material against the stop -- much greater control, altho you gotta make sure the blade doesn't lift/throw the material. There is a video of a shop class instructor cutting mebbe 4 or 6" solid alum with a circular saw.... wow..... Also, keep in mind, when all else fails, use abrasive blades. Walters makes wheels for alum grinding, I'm sure there are abrasive blades for alum cutting. Just like for ceramics, etc. Bottom line is, imo, the dualsaw is an absolute ripoff, a kind of "pointless technology". No one else here seems to get their panties in a bunch the way I do over all this, but a ripoff is a ripoff, a mind**** is a mind****. All of it is an outrage, and imo is part and parcel of the Global Economic Ass****ing. |
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"justme" wrote in message ... Thanks, E.A. for your information. I guess that I will have to spring for another H.F. 14" abrasive chop saw strictly for aluminum. Then, try a fine toothed blade in my RAS, too for aluminum. I hate the finish of the cut with an abrasive blade on aluminum. I use a good carbide blade and cut it on my table saw. I did a longitudinal cut in a 5 foot length of 3/4 inch aluminum and I had the shop doors open and the RAS grabbed that plate and threw it against the house about 15 feet away with an awful sound when it hit the brick wall. You have to use sharp blades and replace them as soon as they start to grab. I just don't have any idea of what it would have do to my stomach had I been in the way of it. It really taught me a lesson. I've got a scar on my gut that looks like a bullet wound. |
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