rangerssuck wrote:
Discuss.


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Generalisimo Franko is still dead.




But with a twist...





PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is devastating
if true.!






"What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had
already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a
covert on the ground attack against the compound."

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence
officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama
Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since
followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as
the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent
hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any
specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific
position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in
all others, working as an absentee president.



(Notice that Panetta is NOT in the room)

This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first
outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled” by
senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack
against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of
Insider’s insights surrounding that event.



I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for
several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton,
Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this
plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough
to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various
components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and
then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some
time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more
recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s
failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media
indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One,
that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened
standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack
would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize
conditions in the Middle East.

Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama
Bin Laden to proceed?

A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having
one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in
forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again.
Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it
was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of.
Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as
well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own
via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of
the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little
risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president
indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing
the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing
attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy.
Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss
the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other
officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this
time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign
earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and
Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful
manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding
knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather
than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public
backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of
political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground
campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was
intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a
campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The
president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would
have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett
believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for
failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the
president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program
that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack
against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to
go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy
within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an
on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert
Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending
mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who
informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to
proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and
Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was
possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but
felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting,
Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she
would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The
following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill
Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta
plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and
instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley
contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to
allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he
too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the
president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce
a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA
director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of
the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not
originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the
special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position
in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe
originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President
Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather
conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable
for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer
an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off
guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was
furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed. This
is where Bill Daley intervened. The particulars of that intervention are not
clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following
that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and
apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission.
What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley,
Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative
from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office. I
have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to
proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been
told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with
both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both
entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of
the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24
hour earlier. The operation at this point, was in effect, unknown to President
Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it was
already underway. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and
escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival
there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high
ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was
described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then
placed in the “situation room” where several of the players in this event had
already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding
this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A
source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the
Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The
now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its
occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military
personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to
either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal,
including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a
success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only
ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan,
and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this
briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain
of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the
address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The
president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The
president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had
personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.

In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as
a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials.
I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President
Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been
willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There
will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the
president’s office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will
be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One
source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my
strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its
immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago,
but we shall see.




HERE'S THE LINK:
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-ho...ama-bin-laden/




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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m...
rangerssuck wrote:
Discuss.


This just in from Rumor Central...
Generalisimo Franko is still dead.




But with a twist...





PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is
devastating if true.!

snip

Your Marine friend needs a credulity adjustment. g

This "report" from the Insanosphere appeared five days ago. The original
rumor-mongers have since backed off on their claims:

"Pam Geller's Imaginary Friends Back Off Their Treason Allegation"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040007

Don't blame MediaMatters -- they have the actual quote from Geller. And
then....silence from the "content farm" that you linked to.

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Ed Huntress wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m...
rangerssuck wrote:
Discuss.

This just in from Rumor Central...
Generalisimo Franko is still dead.




But with a twist...





PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is
devastating if true.!

snip

Your Marine friend needs a credulity adjustment. g

This "report" from the Insanosphere appeared five days ago. The original
rumor-mongers have since backed off on their claims:

"Pam Geller's Imaginary Friends Back Off Their Treason Allegation"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040007

Don't blame MediaMatters -- they have the actual quote from Geller. And
then....silence from the "content farm" that you linked to.



Cool. Thanks Ed.

I'd worry about the military doing things without orders from the politicians.


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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress

he updated story..



Pam Geller's Imaginary Friends Back Off Their Treason Allegation

May 04, 2011 10:07 am ET by Simon Maloy

In case you missed it yesterday, unhinged bigot Pam Geller allowed her
overriding hatred of President Obama to take her to new and scary places as she
reported that the military countermanded an order from Obama to abort the
mission to kill Osama bin Laden. She had, in effect, accused unspecified members
of the military of treason.

Geller sourced an anonymous conservative blogger who claims to be receiving
reports from a "D.C. insider." This "insider" apparently enjoys unfettered
access to the president and his advisors and knows intimate details of top
secret national security discussions -- so naturally he/she dishes to a F-list
right-winger who writes for a content farm no one has heard of. Anyway, the
story spun by the "insider" and reprinted by Geller was that the military staged
a "coup"(!) after the White House "scrambled to abort" the Bin Laden mission:

IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not
requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled. This
order did not originate from CoC. Repeat - this order did not originate from
CoC. He complied, but did not originate.

Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one
another. This is legit.

The killing of Osama Bin Laden was in fact a Coup within Obama WH.

Geller's source later posted a "clarification" from his imaginary friend
"insider" trying to explain that he didn't actually accuse the military
leadership of a crime punishable by death. Geller posted the clarification in an
update to her original post, writing "more details here":

I was told - in these exact terms, "we overruled him." (Obama) I have
since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as
well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president's
"persistent hesitation to act." There appears NOT to have been an outright
overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was
no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this
case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

Not that it really matters, since this is all the product of one frustrated
blogger's sad game of journalism make-believe, but the "clarification" is
actually a direct contradiction of the original allegation, which was that the
White House "scrambled" to issue an "order" to abort the mission.

But Geller's running with this, and so are some of her dimmer colleagues in
right-wing blogosphere, who admit that the story is probably a load of crap but
can't resist reprinting it because it fits the caricature of Obama they've
constructed.

Tags: Pamela Geller

On 5/8/2011 6:53 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
m...
rangerssuck wrote:
Discuss.


This just in from Rumor Central...
Generalisimo Franko is still dead.




But with a twist...





PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is
devastating if true.!

snip

Your Marine friend needs a credulity adjustment.g

This "report" from the Insanosphere appeared five days ago. The original
rumor-mongers have since backed off on their claims:

"Pam Geller's Imaginary Friends Back Off Their Treason Allegation"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040007

Don't blame MediaMatters -- they have the actual quote from Geller. And
then....silence from the "content farm" that you linked to.


It amazes me that people who don't accept two certified birth
certificates and the word of two different Hawaii governors are falling
all over themselves to accept this utterly un-sourced doggerel.

The only thing I can say for it, having seen the whole stupid fiction a
few days ago from a different source, is that it is generally better in
spelling and grammar than the usual winger nonsense.

Stuart Wheaton wrote:
On 5/8/2011 6:53 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
m...
rangerssuck wrote:
Discuss.


This just in from Rumor Central...
Generalisimo Franko is still dead.




But with a twist...





PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is
devastating if true.!

snip

Your Marine friend needs a credulity adjustment.g

This "report" from the Insanosphere appeared five days ago. The original
rumor-mongers have since backed off on their claims:

"Pam Geller's Imaginary Friends Back Off Their Treason Allegation"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040007

Don't blame MediaMatters -- they have the actual quote from Geller. And
then....silence from the "content farm" that you linked to.


It amazes me that people who don't accept two certified birth
certificates and the word of two different Hawaii governors are falling
all over themselves to accept this utterly un-sourced doggerel.

The only thing I can say for it, having seen the whole stupid fiction a
few days ago from a different source, is that it is generally better in
spelling and grammar than the usual winger nonsense.



Front page of the National Enquirer!
"Obama's birth certificate is fake"



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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
news
Stuart Wheaton wrote:
On 5/8/2011 6:53 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
m...
rangerssuck wrote:
Discuss.


This just in from Rumor Central...
Generalisimo Franko is still dead.




But with a twist...





PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is
devastating if true.!

snip

Your Marine friend needs a credulity adjustment.g

This "report" from the Insanosphere appeared five days ago. The original
rumor-mongers have since backed off on their claims:

"Pam Geller's Imaginary Friends Back Off Their Treason Allegation"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040007

Don't blame MediaMatters -- they have the actual quote from Geller. And
then....silence from the "content farm" that you linked to.


It amazes me that people who don't accept two certified birth
certificates and the word of two different Hawaii governors are falling
all over themselves to accept this utterly un-sourced doggerel.

The only thing I can say for it, having seen the whole stupid fiction a
few days ago from a different source, is that it is generally better in
spelling and grammar than the usual winger nonsense.



Front page of the National Enquirer!
"Obama's birth certificate is fake"



--

Richard Lamb

The right-wing Insanosphere is starting to make the National Enquirer look
like responsible journalism. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

CaveLamb wrote:

Front page of the National Enquirer!
"Obama's birth certificate is fake"


They are as believable as the NYTimes and a lot of other biased
media.


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You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

"Stuart Wheaton" wrote in message
...
On 5/8/2011 6:53 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
m...
rangerssuck wrote:
Discuss.


This just in from Rumor Central...
Generalisimo Franko is still dead.




But with a twist...





PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is
devastating if true.!

snip

Your Marine friend needs a credulity adjustment.g

This "report" from the Insanosphere appeared five days ago. The original
rumor-mongers have since backed off on their claims:

"Pam Geller's Imaginary Friends Back Off Their Treason Allegation"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040007

Don't blame MediaMatters -- they have the actual quote from Geller. And
then....silence from the "content farm" that you linked to.


It amazes me that people who don't accept two certified birth certificates
and the word of two different Hawaii governors are falling all over
themselves to accept this utterly un-sourced doggerel.

Crazy, isn't it?


The only thing I can say for it, having seen the whole stupid fiction a
few days ago from a different source, is that it is generally better in
spelling and grammar than the usual winger nonsense.

I'll bet this kind of stuff is providing a lot of fodder for term papers in
social psychology. d8-)

What I wonder is, what were these people thinking before there were blogs
and everyone became a self-styled journalist? Or, is this our payback for
closing all of those mental hospitals a few decades ago?

We're paying a heavy price.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
news
Stuart Wheaton wrote:
On 5/8/2011 6:53 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
m...
rangerssuck wrote:
Discuss.

This just in from Rumor Central...
Generalisimo Franko is still dead.




But with a twist...





PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is
devastating if true.!
snip

Your Marine friend needs a credulity adjustment.g

This "report" from the Insanosphere appeared five days ago. The original
rumor-mongers have since backed off on their claims:

"Pam Geller's Imaginary Friends Back Off Their Treason Allegation"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040007

Don't blame MediaMatters -- they have the actual quote from Geller. And
then....silence from the "content farm" that you linked to.

It amazes me that people who don't accept two certified birth
certificates and the word of two different Hawaii governors are falling
all over themselves to accept this utterly un-sourced doggerel.

The only thing I can say for it, having seen the whole stupid fiction a
few days ago from a different source, is that it is generally better in
spelling and grammar than the usual winger nonsense.



Front page of the National Enquirer!
"Obama's birth certificate is fake"



--

Richard Lamb

The right-wing Insanosphere is starting to make the National Enquirer look
like responsible journalism. d8-)



I know!
That's a real problem...


--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress