On Mar 15, 6:58*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
Tom Gardner wrote:
...
Flying cars? Are you kidding? We would need full implementation of some
sort of collision-avoidance system - can you imagine if the drivers who
kill 50,000 people every year on the highways, which are well-defined
paths, were allowed to fly in three dimensions?

Well, maybe it would help with Darwinizing the idiots. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

There's this, slowly becoming available 15 years after I prototyped
it:
http://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/...fm?newsid=7131
It integrates your GPS position with those of everyone around you and
gives you the God's Eye View of the airspace, and the computer can
warn you of another aircraft on a potentially intersecting course from
any angle. It accepts and displays other data such as weather, terrain
obstacles and NOTAMS from multiple sources. At least that was the
intended plan. I only built the radios and them moved on to
http://hf.tc.faa.gov/projects/nexcom.htm

TCAS is the current system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic...oidance_system

Here is an autonomous ground vehicle project I worked on:
http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...0/Dec/1202_ENV

There was an NTSB project that uses the SCA (elevator music)
subcarrier on car FM radios for a simpler version of centralized
automatic vehicle control. I built the decoders but the project didn't
get far for some reason. I think it could have limited speed to even
out perturbances in heavy traffic, IIRC it set the speed on your
cruise control which doesn't override driver input but makes not
following orders annoying. I'm not sure what the effect would be if it
involuntarily sped up passive-aggressive drivers doing 40 in the fast
lane.

jsw

On Mar 14, 3:21*am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. *With cheap, clean power,
all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit victimhood and without
victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

On Mar 16, 6:31*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:48:41 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
...
IIRC this was an effort spearheaded by NHTSA Administrator
Joan Claybrook and not based on much if any
scientific/engineering input.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Claybrook

-- Unka George *(George McDuffee)

It didn't help a bit that the only electronic device in a car up to
that point was the radio; the new engineers they hired lacked
practical experience in a messy and difficult operating environment.
( I came from maintaining Army field communications gear.). Remember
the Packard Connector with an operating life of 5 disconnects?

The thermal chamber we built to stress-test HEI modules essentially
duplicated lighting off a fighter jet and climbing to the
stratosphere, or starting a plow truck in Alaska and ramming it full-
throttle into a snowbank.

jsw

On Mar 16, 7:13*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck

wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21*am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. *With cheap, clean power,
all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit victimhood and without
victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

==========http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/03/study-sa...http://www.egmcartech.com/2011/03/15...idden_benefits...

-- Unka George *(George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

George, to all of that, I say, "It's about time." But that's not what
I object to in Tom's post. What I object to, specifically, is this
phrase:
"... and liberals exist to exploit victimhood "
That is nonsense.

Perhaps if it were to rephrased as "...The leaders on the extreme
right say that liberals..." Otherwise, I stand by every word I wrote.

"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Mar 16, 7:13 pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck

wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21 am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. With cheap,
clean power,
all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit victimhood
and without
victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

==========http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/03/study-sa...http://www.egmcartech.com/2011/03/15...idden_benefits...

-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

George, to all of that, I say, "It's about time." But that's not what
I object to in Tom's post. What I object to, specifically, is this
phrase:
"... and liberals exist to exploit victimhood "
That is nonsense.

Perhaps if it were to rephrased as "...The leaders on the extreme
right say that liberals..." Otherwise, I stand by every word I wrote.

FWIW, there have been several incarnations of Tom over the years. One thing
that hangs on throughout is his delight at provoking liberals.

Do not expect an honest word to come out of his keyboard. You never know
what he actually believes. Take that for what it's worth, and you'll save
yourself some grief.

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Mar 14, 3:21*am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. *With cheap, clean power,
all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit victimhood and without
victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.
==========
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...blic-transit/1
http://www.egmcartech.com/2011/03/15...-in-two-years/
http://www.wreg.com/news/sns-ap-tn--...,4556846.story
http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=593606
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110228/...igh_gas_prices




-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 3:13*am, Rich Grise wrote:

Well, you _could_ get or build a gyrocopter; jetpacks exist, but they're
prohibitively expensive and can only carry a few minutes' worth of
fuel, and you can build your own

hovercraft:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ft+constructio...

There have been several flying cars on the market in the past, but
apparently nobody could afford one, and there's that pesky pilot's
license issue, but I guess you don't need a license for an ultralight.

So what's your real problem?

What's the deal, Rich? Are you a corporate shill for Popular Science?
Promises were made, promises were broken. I intend to hold them (or is
it you?) to account.

So, it's a personal vendetta? I've just told you that every promise that
you're whining about has been fulfilled - are you just waiting for somebody
else to buy the stuff _for_ you?

Thanks,
Rich

David Courtney wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
....
So what's your real problem?

Not exactly a "jet" pack... more like a "ducted fan" pack; but still
pretty cool: http://www.martinjetpack.com/video-gallery.aspx

That does look awfully kewl, but isn't it a little bulky to be called
a "pack?" ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21*am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. *With cheap,
clean power, all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit
victimhood and without victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

Howcome you liberals never step up and offer to pay other people's
bills with your own money, but want to confiscate my earnings to
be "generous" with?

Thanks,
Rich

On Mar 16, 10:32*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21 am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. With cheap,
clean power, all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit
victimhood and without victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

Howcome you liberals never step up and offer to pay other people's
bills with your own money, but want to confiscate my earnings to
be "generous" with?

Thanks,
Rich

Aren't you mostly unemployed, living (illegally) at your place of
work? How much did you pay in taxes last year? How much did you give
in charity?

Or, do you really believe in "every man for himself" and that those
who can't support themselves should be left to die? I know you believe
in small government, but do you also believe in small society? Should
people really be so insular that they simply don't give a **** about
their neighbors' welfare?

Should Gunner have been turned away at the hospital door?

On Mar 16, 10:22*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 3:13 am, Rich Grise wrote:

Well, you _could_ get or build a gyrocopter; jetpacks exist, but they're
prohibitively expensive and can only carry a few minutes' worth of
fuel, and you can build your own

hovercraft:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ft+constructio...



There have been several flying cars on the market in the past, but
apparently nobody could afford one, and there's that pesky pilot's
license issue, but I guess you don't need a license for an ultralight.

So what's your real problem?

What's the deal, Rich? Are you a corporate shill for Popular Science?
Promises were made, promises were broken. I intend to hold them (or is
it you?) to account.

So, it's a personal vendetta? I've just told you that every promise that
you're whining about has been fulfilled - are you just waiting for somebody
else to buy the stuff _for_ you?

Thanks,
Rich

I'm guessing, Rich, that you:

1) Never read Popular Mechanics or Popular Science in the 1950s or
1960s.

2) Are seriously humor-impaired.

rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:22*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 3:13 am, Rich Grise wrote:

Well, you _could_ get or build a gyrocopter; jetpacks exist, but
they're prohibitively expensive and can only carry a few minutes'
worth of fuel, and you can build your own

hovercraft:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ft+constructio...

There have been several flying cars on the market in the past, but
apparently nobody could afford one, and there's that pesky pilot's
license issue, but I guess you don't need a license for an ultralight.

So what's your real problem?

What's the deal, Rich? Are you a corporate shill for Popular Science?
Promises were made, promises were broken. I intend to hold them (or is
it you?) to account.

So, it's a personal vendetta? I've just told you that every promise that
you're whining about has been fulfilled - are you just waiting for
somebody else to buy the stuff _for_ you?

I'm guessing, Rich, that you:

1) Never read Popular Mechanics or Popular Science in the 1950s or
1960s.

2) Are seriously humor-impaired.

Nah, I just don't respond well to ad hominem name-calling.

Thanks,
Rich

rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:32*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21 am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. With
cheap, clean power, all social problems go away and liberals exist to
exploit victimhood and without victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

Howcome you liberals never step up and offer to pay other people's
bills with your own money, but want to confiscate my earnings to
be "generous" with?

Aren't you mostly unemployed, living (illegally) at your place of
work? How much did you pay in taxes last year? How much did you give
in charity?

I'd be working if the unions and other Obammunists hadn't destroyed
all the jobs.

And it's not illegal to work the night shift here, yet.

Thanks
Rich

On Mar 17, 5:37*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:22 pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 3:13 am, Rich Grise wrote:

Well, you _could_ get or build a gyrocopter; jetpacks exist, but
they're prohibitively expensive and can only carry a few minutes'
worth of fuel, and you can build your own

hovercraft:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ft+constructio...







There have been several flying cars on the market in the past, but
apparently nobody could afford one, and there's that pesky pilot's
license issue, but I guess you don't need a license for an ultralight.

So what's your real problem?

What's the deal, Rich? Are you a corporate shill for Popular Science?
Promises were made, promises were broken. I intend to hold them (or is
it you?) to account.

So, it's a personal vendetta? I've just told you that every promise that
you're whining about has been fulfilled - are you just waiting for
somebody else to buy the stuff _for_ you?

I'm guessing, Rich, that you:

1) Never read Popular Mechanics or Popular Science in the 1950s or
1960s.

2) Are seriously humor-impaired.

Nah, I just don't respond well to ad hominem name-calling.

Thanks,
Rich

Dude, you really need to learn how to laugh. Who, by the way, called
you a name? Oh, wait, I called you "Rich." Is that not your name?
Sorry if I offended.

On Mar 17, 5:39*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:32 pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21 am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. With
cheap, clean power, all social problems go away and liberals exist to
exploit victimhood and without victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

Howcome you liberals never step up and offer to pay other people's
bills with your own money, but want to confiscate my earnings to
be "generous" with?

Aren't you mostly unemployed, living (illegally) at your place of
work? How much did you pay in taxes last year? How much did you give
in charity?

I'd be working if the unions and other Obammunists hadn't destroyed
all the jobs.

And it's not illegal to work the night shift here, yet.

Thanks
Rich

What I was responding to, Rich, was your comment:

"Howcome you liberals never step up and offer to pay other people's
bills with your own money, but want to confiscate my earnings to
be "generous" with? "

Perhaps I wasn't direct enough, so I'll try again: I don't know to
whom you were referring when you said "you liberals," but I assume it
was me, since it was my post to which you were responding. THIS
liberal, I believe, gives more money in a month to pay other's bills
than you earn in a year. Since you have no earnings, I haven't a clue
what you think I'm confiscating.

Are you seriously claiming that ther are NO jobs anywhere near where
you are? NONE? ZERO? or are you saying that there aren't any jobs that
you want to do? How much time did you spend today looking for
employment? I'd be willing to bet that I spent more time this month
doing volunteer work than you spent looking for a job.

You can be unemplyed if you choose to, but don't try to blame me or
anyone else for it.

rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 17, 5:37*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:22 pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:

What's the deal, Rich? Are you a corporate shill for Popular...

Nah, I just don't respond well to ad hominem name-calling.

Dude, you really need to learn how to laugh. Who, by the way, called
you a name? Oh, wait, I called you "Rich." Is that not your name?
Sorry if I offended.

"Corporate Shill" springs to mind.

Thanks,
Rich

On Mar 16, 5:25*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message

...
On Mar 16, 7:13 pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-





associates.us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck

wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21 am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. With cheap,
clean power,
all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit victimhood
and without
victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

==========http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/03/study-sa......

-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
George, to all of that, I say, "It's about time." But that's not what
I object to in Tom's post. What I object to, specifically, is this
phrase:
"... and liberals exist to exploit victimhood "
That is nonsense.

Perhaps if it were to rephrased as "...The leaders on the extreme
right say that liberals..." Otherwise, I stand by every word I wrote.

FWIW, there have been several incarnations of Tom over the years. One thing
that hangs on throughout is his delight at provoking liberals.

Do not expect an honest word to come out of his keyboard. You never know
what he actually believes. Take that for what it's worth, and you'll save
yourself some grief.

--
Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tom is a conservative who benefits from his parent's efforts while
thinking the world owes him everything.

A typical conservative who has never earned a dollar of his own.

His jealousy of liberals with an education who have made it on their
own eats him alive.

TMT

On Mar 16, 9:32*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21 am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. With cheap,
clean power, all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit
victimhood and without victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

Howcome you liberals never step up and offer to pay other people's
bills with your own money, but want to confiscate my earnings to
be "generous" with?

Thanks,
Rich

And how come you conservatives never step up and offer to pay other
people's
wars with your own money, but want to confiscate my earnings to
be "generous" with?

TMT

On Mar 17, 10:22*am, rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:32*pm, Rich Grise wrote:





rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:21 am, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:

Cheap, abundant energy HAS to be the bane of every liberal. With cheap,
clean power, all social problems go away and liberals exist to exploit
victimhood and without victims, liberals go away.

Tom, I take great exception to that statement. THIS liberal does not
exist to exploit anyone. If all social problems were to go away - and
by that, for example, I mean that the hungry are fed, not killed - I
would be happy to stop fighting the fight to feed them.

I suppose that you also think that doctors have secret plans to keep
everyone sick because, according to your logic, doctors don't make
money if everyone is healthy - they exist to exploit sick people.

Howcome you liberals never step up and offer to pay other people's
bills with your own money, but want to confiscate my earnings to
be "generous" with?

Thanks,
Rich

Aren't you mostly unemployed, living (illegally) at your place of
work? How much did you pay in taxes last year? How much did you give
in charity?

Or, do you really believe in "every man for himself" and that those
who can't support themselves should be left to die? I know you believe
in small government, but do you also believe in small society? Should
people really be so insular that they simply don't give a **** about
their neighbors' welfare?

Should Gunner have been turned away at the hospital door?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Perhaps Don can weigh in on that question?

TMT

On Mar 17, 9:32*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 17, 5:37 pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:22 pm, Rich Grise wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:

What's the deal, Rich? Are you a corporate shill for Popular...

Nah, I just don't respond well to ad hominem name-calling.

Dude, you really need to learn how to laugh. Who, by the way, called
you a name? Oh, wait, I called you "Rich." Is that not your name?
Sorry if I offended.

"Corporate Shill" springs to mind.

Thanks,
Rich

Lighten up. I would think that a pro-business, anti-union person such
as yourself would be proud to be called a corporate shill.

From the Random House Dictionary:
shill: a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for
reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.