Buick Lesabre. Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator. The other
lines (3) going to the modulator also show corrosion in about the same
place. Replacement lines are not available from GM. Lines to the master
cylinder have a flex section crimped on, and so is not easily replaced
with tubing.
I am uncomfortable with additional couplings in the line; however I see
that it is common practice to make up brake lines by piecing together
preflared sections from the parts store.
Is it acceptable practice to "patch in" a short section at the end of a
run using a flare coupling?

Thanks

Kevin Gallimore

On 10/18/2010 4:40 PM, axolotl wrote:

Buick Lesabre. Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator. The other
lines (3) going to the modulator also show corrosion in about the same
place. Replacement lines are not available from GM. Lines to the master
cylinder have a flex section crimped on, and so is not easily replaced
with tubing.
I am uncomfortable with additional couplings in the line; however I see
that it is common practice to make up brake lines by piecing together
preflared sections from the parts store.
Is it acceptable practice to "patch in" a short section at the end of a
run using a flare coupling?

Thanks

Kevin Gallimore

Absolutely.
And the old way of absorbing vibration is to wind coils of tubing in the
middle, so it looks like a spring.

Be sure and get the armor coated lines. Probably all you can get in your
area, if they salt the roads.
Very easy to bend by hand, more so than the plain steel.

--
I can see November from my front porch

axolotl wrote:


Buick Lesabre. Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator. The other
lines (3) going to the modulator also show corrosion in about the same
place. Replacement lines are not available from GM. Lines to the master
cylinder have a flex section crimped on, and so is not easily replaced
with tubing.
I am uncomfortable with additional couplings in the line; however I see
that it is common practice to make up brake lines by piecing together
preflared sections from the parts store.
Is it acceptable practice to "patch in" a short section at the end of a
run using a flare coupling?

Thanks

Kevin Gallimore


How old is the car? I was under the impression that spare parts had to to be stocked for
10 years minimum. Now if I could remember the law, that would be a real plus but my mind
is a bit blank on that bit of info.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On 10/18/2010 6:45 PM, Wes wrote:

Is it acceptable practice to "patch in" a short section at the end of a
run using a flare coupling?

Thanks

Kevin Gallimore


How old is the car? I was under the impression that spare parts had to to be stocked for
10 years minimum. Now if I could remember the law, that would be a real plus but my mind
is a bit blank on that bit of info.

The car is a '97, so older than 10 years. However, in my search, I found
no pre bent OEM lines for any year other than the short lines going to
the hoses.

Kevin Gallimore

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:45:59 -0400, Wes
wrote:

axolotl wrote:


Buick Lesabre. Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator. The other
lines (3) going to the modulator also show corrosion in about the same
place. Replacement lines are not available from GM. Lines to the master
cylinder have a flex section crimped on, and so is not easily replaced
with tubing.
I am uncomfortable with additional couplings in the line; however I see
that it is common practice to make up brake lines by piecing together
preflared sections from the parts store.
Is it acceptable practice to "patch in" a short section at the end of a
run using a flare coupling?

Thanks

Kevin Gallimore


How old is the car? I was under the impression that spare parts had to to be stocked for
10 years minimum. Now if I could remember the law, that would be a real plus but my mind
is a bit blank on that bit of info.

Wes
Used to be the case, but sadly it does not appear to be the case any
more. At least if it is, it is not enforced.

Much better to have a line made up with proper double flares and use a
stock flex hose for the flex part - something from a totally different
brake application like a front flex hose or something.. IF there is
enough solid line left from the flex portion to allow a new flared end
to be installed, you could go that rout - but NEVER use a compression
fitting or single flare on a brake line.

On Oct 18, 3:45*pm, Wes wrote:
axolotl wrote:

Buick Lesabre. Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator. The other
lines (3) going to the modulator also show corrosion in about the same
place. Replacement lines are not available from GM. Lines to the master
cylinder have a flex section crimped on, and so is not easily replaced
with tubing.
I am uncomfortable with additional couplings in the line; however I see
that it is common practice to make up brake lines by piecing together
preflared sections from the parts store.
Is it acceptable practice to "patch in" a short section at the end of a
run using a flare coupling?

Thanks

Kevin Gallimore

How old is the car? *I was under the impression that spare parts had to to be stocked for
10 years minimum. *Now if I could remember the law, that would be a real plus but my mind
is a bit blank on that bit of info.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." *Dick Anthony Heller

It's 7 years, Wes. But bankruptcy trumps the law.

Paul

" wrote:

It's 7 years, Wes. But bankruptcy trumps the law.

One more reason not to buy GM.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:52:44 -0400, Wes
wrote:

" wrote:

It's 7 years, Wes. But bankruptcy trumps the law.

One more reason not to buy GM.

As if anyone needed any more excuses NOT to buy 'em.
The last 30 years of Consumer Reports show it in spades.

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

Larry Jaques wrote:

One more reason not to buy GM.

As if anyone needed any more excuses NOT to buy 'em.
The last 30 years of Consumer Reports show it in spades.

My mom has had two GM's that rusted away in no time flat including the braking system.
Uncle owned a Vega, enough said.

I will give them points for my 2001 Saturn Sl. 213000 miles and still running but
starting to show its age. If only they had put grease fittings in the steering parts but
saving $1.24 per car is part of GM thinking. I'd have gladly paid for a zerk fitting
option.

Saturn is gone now so my next car is going to be a Ford or an import. I hope Ford has
something I like by then because I've never bought offshore before but I will before
buying GM or Chrysler.

And while we are at, cash for clunkers jamned a big one up the arse of those that don't
make a lot. In a good economy, there are a lot of used cars depressing prices on used
cars. Obama got rid of those cars so used car prices are high in a market where new car
sales are down. What a blithering idiot but he paid off his union backers which is all
that matters.

Sorry for the ot rant but keeping cars going is metal working and I don't like having to
do this kind of metalworking. I'd rather play in my shop turning and milling.

Wes

On 10/18/2010 2:45 PM, Wes wrote:

How old is the car? I was under the impression that spare parts had to to be stocked for
10 years minimum. Now if I could remember the law, that would be a real plus but my mind
is a bit blank on that bit of info.

Oh that 'rule' is either long gone, or just being ignored. I have a
mechanic buddy that tells tales of people with cars only a couple years
old that he cannot get new parts for. The cars aren't even paid for yet,
and he's calling dismantlers trying to find replacement parts.

Granted, this is not all that common, but sure sucks if you have one of
these vehicles. Just another reason to avoid cars loaded up with tons of
whiz-bang features. Yeah, it's mostly the accessory stuff that seems to
fail and not have replacements available.


Jon

Jon Anderson wrote:

On 10/18/2010 2:45 PM, Wes wrote:

How old is the car? I was under the impression that spare parts had to to be stocked for
10 years minimum. Now if I could remember the law, that would be a real plus but my mind
is a bit blank on that bit of info.

Oh that 'rule' is either long gone, or just being ignored. I have a
mechanic buddy that tells tales of people with cars only a couple years
old that he cannot get new parts for. The cars aren't even paid for yet,
and he's calling dismantlers trying to find replacement parts.


Imports?


Granted, this is not all that common, but sure sucks if you have one of
these vehicles. Just another reason to avoid cars loaded up with tons of
whiz-bang features. Yeah, it's mostly the accessory stuff that seems to
fail and not have replacements available.

Jon


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Imports?

Lexus, IIRC...


Jon

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:55:27 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Jon Anderson wrote:

On 10/18/2010 2:45 PM, Wes wrote:

How old is the car? I was under the impression that spare parts had to to be stocked for
10 years minimum. Now if I could remember the law, that would be a real plus but my mind
is a bit blank on that bit of info.

Oh that 'rule' is either long gone, or just being ignored. I have a
mechanic buddy that tells tales of people with cars only a couple years
old that he cannot get new parts for. The cars aren't even paid for yet,
and he's calling dismantlers trying to find replacement parts.


Imports?


Granted, this is not all that common, but sure sucks if you have one of
these vehicles. Just another reason to avoid cars loaded up with tons of
whiz-bang features. Yeah, it's mostly the accessory stuff that seems to
fail and not have replacements available.

Jon
In my experience, FORDS

wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:55:27 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Jon Anderson wrote:

On 10/18/2010 2:45 PM, Wes wrote:

How old is the car? I was under the impression that spare parts had to to be stocked for
10 years minimum. Now if I could remember the law, that would be a real plus but my mind
is a bit blank on that bit of info.

Oh that 'rule' is either long gone, or just being ignored. I have a
mechanic buddy that tells tales of people with cars only a couple years
old that he cannot get new parts for. The cars aren't even paid for yet,
and he's calling dismantlers trying to find replacement parts.


Imports?


Granted, this is not all that common, but sure sucks if you have one of
these vehicles. Just another reason to avoid cars loaded up with tons of
whiz-bang features. Yeah, it's mostly the accessory stuff that seems to
fail and not have replacements available.

Jon

In my experience, FORDS


I thought we were talking about US built vehicles? The last couple
Fords I saw were built in Canada.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

axolotl wrote:

Buick Lesabre. Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator. The other
lines (3) going to the modulator also show corrosion in about the same
place. Replacement lines are not available from GM. Lines to the master
cylinder have a flex section crimped on, and so is not easily replaced
with tubing.
I am uncomfortable with additional couplings in the line; however I see
that it is common practice to make up brake lines by piecing together
preflared sections from the parts store.
Is it acceptable practice to "patch in" a short section at the end of a
run using a flare coupling?

Thanks

Kevin Gallimore


Stock brake lines are about the cheapest thing in the auto parts store.
Some places will bend the line and flare it for you if you can give
them the old line to copy. The best tool for getting out the old
fittings if you cannot get them loose with a tubing wrench is to use a
little 6 inch rigid pipe wrench, it works a lot better than a pair of
vice grips. The other thing you can do is to cut the tubing right at
the fitting and use a six point socket on the fitting. I would check
all the brake lines on the vehicle for rust, I just blew a line on my
truck and have to replace a couple of lines that are rusted. Hopefully
it will stop raining and warm up a little.


John

Kevin,
I cannot think of anything more dangerous. You have corrosion in your brake line, which means you have catastrophic water in the
brake fluid. You have no choice now but to change ALL the brake lines. Your life depends on it. If you can't find the parts, make
them yourself in steel, not copper.
Steve

"axolotl" wrote in message ...

Buick Lesabre. Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS
modulator. The other lines (3) going to the modulator also show corrosion in about the same place. Replacement lines are not
available from GM. Lines to the master cylinder have a flex section crimped on, and so is not easily replaced with tubing.
I am uncomfortable with additional couplings in the line; however I see that it is common practice to make up brake lines by
piecing together preflared sections from the parts store.
Is it acceptable practice to "patch in" a short section at the end of a run using a flare coupling?

Thanks

Kevin Gallimore

axolotl writes:

Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:21:49 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

axolotl writes:

Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

I was doing 70mph on a twisty urban road when the master cylinder
bypassed on my AMC Javelin. Several mashes of the pedal into the
floorboard let me know what had happened, that I'd blown a cup. I
knew I couldn't make my turn but there was a Y there (complete with
large rain dip) that I thought I could. I got down to 55 or so by
downshifting and tossed that baby sideways just before the dip, and
when I came down on the other side I was between the rows of parked
cars, not on/in one. I punched buttonholes in my skivvies that night,
lemme tell ya.

A short while later, I sobered up.

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

On Oct 19, 1:21*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:
Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

I had a similar feeling of dread after a ball joint popped on my old
VW Rabbit. Fortunately I was going slow and nothing serious happened,
but it was a sober reminder for me to do better maintenance.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote:

On Oct 19, 1:21*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:
Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

I had a similar feeling of dread after a ball joint popped on my old
VW Rabbit. Fortunately I was going slow and nothing serious happened,
but it was a sober reminder for me to do better maintenance.


I was driving a water truck, with 1000 gallons of water, 800 lbs of
dynamite on the racks beside the tank and 200 StaticMaster blasting caps
in a box beside me on the front seat, when the right front tire passed
me going down Whitehorse Pass one bright and sunny morning.........

That...was....invigorating.......


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I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:16:59 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote:

On Oct 19, 1:21*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:
Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

I had a similar feeling of dread after a ball joint popped on my old
VW Rabbit. Fortunately I was going slow and nothing serious happened,
but it was a sober reminder for me to do better maintenance.


I was driving a water truck, with 1000 gallons of water, 800 lbs of
dynamite on the racks beside the tank and 200 StaticMaster blasting caps
in a box beside me on the front seat, when the right front tire passed
me going down Whitehorse Pass one bright and sunny morning.........

That...was....invigorating.......

OK, you had the top scare out of all of us who replied. Eek!
Pass out that story on 3x5 cards with the candy on Halloween.

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

On Oct 19, 3:16*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."

wrote:
On Oct 19, 1:21*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:
Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

I had a similar feeling of dread after a ball joint popped on my old
VW Rabbit. *Fortunately I was going slow and nothing serious happened,
but it was a sober reminder for me to do better maintenance.

I was driving a water truck, with 1000 gallons of water, 800 lbs of
dynamite on the racks beside the tank and 200 StaticMaster blasting caps
in a box beside me on the front seat, when the right front tire passed
me going down Whitehorse Pass one bright and sunny morning.........

That...was....invigorating.......

Gunner

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I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
* * * * *(Hebrew quote)

It sounds like you were in a bit of hot water there.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:32:28 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote:

On Oct 19, 3:16*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."

wrote:
On Oct 19, 1:21*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:
Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

I had a similar feeling of dread after a ball joint popped on my old
VW Rabbit. *Fortunately I was going slow and nothing serious happened,
but it was a sober reminder for me to do better maintenance.

I was driving a water truck, with 1000 gallons of water, 800 lbs of
dynamite on the racks beside the tank and 200 StaticMaster blasting caps
in a box beside me on the front seat, when the right front tire passed
me going down Whitehorse Pass one bright and sunny morning.........

That...was....invigorating.......

Gunner


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keyboard....damnit


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
* * * * *(Hebrew quote)

It sounds like you were in a bit of hot water there.

Actually..I was up to my belt in cold, running down my leg **** for a
few moments until I got things...sorted out.

Seems the company mechanic had changed that tire..and not bothered to
tighten the lug nuts more than hand tight.

We later had a chat about it. Short but....intense.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:16:59 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote:

On Oct 19, 1:21*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:
Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

I had a similar feeling of dread after a ball joint popped on my old
VW Rabbit. Fortunately I was going slow and nothing serious happened,
but it was a sober reminder for me to do better maintenance.


I was driving a water truck, with 1000 gallons of water, 800 lbs of
dynamite on the racks beside the tank and 200 StaticMaster blasting caps
in a box beside me on the front seat, when the right front tire passed
me going down Whitehorse Pass one bright and sunny morning.........

That...was....invigorating.......


Gunner

That was ... really dumb. Caps and demo don't share a ride.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:30:31 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:16:59 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote:

On Oct 19, 1:21*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:
Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.

I had a similar feeling of dread after a ball joint popped on my old
VW Rabbit. Fortunately I was going slow and nothing serious happened,
but it was a sober reminder for me to do better maintenance.


I was driving a water truck, with 1000 gallons of water, 800 lbs of
dynamite on the racks beside the tank and 200 StaticMaster blasting caps
in a box beside me on the front seat, when the right front tire passed
me going down Whitehorse Pass one bright and sunny morning.........

That...was....invigorating.......


Gunner

That was ... really dumb. Caps and demo don't share a ride.

They often do in the oilfields. That btw..was in 1975. Seismograph
crew. Where we often used det cord to hold luggage and other stuff to
the roofs of our cars/trucks when moving from job site to job
site..often many states apart.

No one thought anything about using a hundred feet of 200gr det cord to
hold stuff on.

Shrug

Gunner




I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:

Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.
As were all sharing reminisences, heres what happened to me back in 1972.
Id driven the 120 miles to London UK for a days work, done that, was
coming out of the city made it to the motorway, had to slow, pushed the
brake petal and it went to the floor.!!
coasted onto the hard shoulder, upped the bonnet( hood in the us of a)
and saw that the power lead from the battery to the solenoid on the
starter hasd vibrated and fractured off the terminal, fallen down and
touched the front brake line and burned it through!!.
I still had 100 miles to go, Rummaged in the tool box for a center punch
and hammer.
Unscrewed the union and removed the cut off piece of brake pipe.
flared the pipe with the center punch and screwed it back together
after pulling the pipe off the bulkhead to make it long enough vto reach
the t union.

A motorist stopped to ask if i needed any help , he gave me some brake
fliud and i bled the line right there.
Made it home and replaced both the line and the faulty lug. Was able
to jury rig that to get power to the starter.

Ted Frater wrote:

Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:

Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.
As were all sharing reminisences, heres what happened to me back in 1972.
Id driven the 120 miles to London UK for a days work, done that, was
coming out of the city made it to the motorway, had to slow, pushed the
brake petal and it went to the floor.!!
coasted onto the hard shoulder, upped the bonnet( hood in the us of a)
and saw that the power lead from the battery to the solenoid on the
starter hasd vibrated and fractured off the terminal, fallen down and
touched the front brake line and burned it through!!.
I still had 100 miles to go, Rummaged in the tool box for a center punch
and hammer.
Unscrewed the union and removed the cut off piece of brake pipe.
flared the pipe with the center punch and screwed it back together
after pulling the pipe off the bulkhead to make it long enough vto reach
the t union.

A motorist stopped to ask if i needed any help , he gave me some brake
fliud and i bled the line right there.
Made it home and replaced both the line and the faulty lug. Was able
to jury rig that to get power to the starter.


I went to the Dayton Hamfest one year in a '68 GMC Handivan. I was
headed home on I-75 that Sunday evening when the bolt holding the
alternator mount to the engine sheared off and the alternator hit the
highway at 55 MPH. There was about a half turn of the thread sticking
out of the head on the Chevy 283 engine and I only had a few tools with
me so I had to remove that hot bolt with my fingers while the engine was
still hot. An Ohio state trooper had already stopped and told me that
when he made the next pass in about a half hour he would call a wrecker
if I was still there and either haul it to their impound lot, or to my
home. The bill for that would have wiped out everthing I made that
weekend, so I managed to get out the old bolt and found one that fit,
but needed a couple washers to keep it from bottoming out. The
alternator was still hanging from the wires, and had some damage from
being dragged on the highway. I managed to get it bolted back to the
engine and was just leaving when I spotted the police car making hiis
next pass.




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Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Oct 20, 8:58*am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Ted Frater wrote:

Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:

Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.
As were all sharing reminisences, heres what happened to me back in 1972.
* Id driven the 120 miles to London UK for a days work, done that, was
coming out of the city made it to the motorway, had to slow, pushed the
brake petal and it went to the floor.!!
* coasted onto the hard shoulder, upped the bonnet( hood in the us of a)
and saw that the power lead from the battery to the solenoid on the
starter hasd vibrated and fractured off the terminal, fallen down and
touched the front brake line and burned it through!!.
I still had 100 miles to go, Rummaged in the tool box for a center punch
and hammer.
* Unscrewed the union and removed the cut off piece of *brake pipe.
flared the pipe with the center punch and screwed it back together
after pulling the pipe off the bulkhead to make it long enough vto reach
the t union.

A motorist stopped to ask if i needed any help , he gave me some brake
fliud and i bled the line right there.
* Made it home and replaced both the line and the faulty lug. Was able
to jury rig that to get power to the starter.

* *I went to the Dayton Hamfest one year in a '68 GMC Handivan. I was
headed home on I-75 that Sunday evening when the bolt holding the
alternator mount to the engine sheared off and the alternator hit the
highway at 55 MPH. *There was about a half turn of the thread sticking
out of the head on the Chevy 283 engine and I only had a few tools with
me so I had to remove that hot bolt with my fingers while the engine was
still hot. *An Ohio state trooper had already stopped and told me that
when he made the next pass in about a half hour he would call a wrecker
if I was still there and either haul it to their impound lot, or to my
home. *The bill for that would have wiped out everthing I made that
weekend, so I managed to get out the old bolt and found one that fit,
but needed a couple washers to keep it from bottoming out. *The
alternator was still hanging from the wires, and had some damage from
being dragged on the highway. *I managed to get it bolted back to the
engine and was just leaving when I spotted the police car making hiis
next pass.

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I love hamfests. I'm only been to the Dayton hamfest once. Most of
the ones that I attended have been in the New England area. I haven't
gone to any around here in SE WI yet and I need to update my addy for
my callsign.
73 de NY1J

"Denis G." wrote:

I love hamfests. I'm only been to the Dayton hamfest once. Most of
the ones that I attended have been in the New England area. I haven't
gone to any around here in SE WI yet and I need to update my addy for
my callsign.
73 de NY1J


I used to live about an hour from 'Hara Arena' that they rented for
the Dayton Hamfest. I went to it for about 15 years to buy & sell. Now,
I'm over 1000 miles away, and there are no decent hamfests in the area.
Most are nothing but overpriced computer junk & Chinese radios these
days. I used to drive an old Chevy stepvan and leave all the heavy
stuff inside. When it would rain people would ask if they could wait it
out in the truck. I didn't mind as it gave them plenty of time to look
at the old iron, which increased my sales. ;-)


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Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:58:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Ted Frater wrote:

Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:

Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.
As were all sharing reminisences, heres what happened to me back in 1972.
Id driven the 120 miles to London UK for a days work, done that, was
coming out of the city made it to the motorway, had to slow, pushed the
brake petal and it went to the floor.!!
coasted onto the hard shoulder, upped the bonnet( hood in the us of a)
and saw that the power lead from the battery to the solenoid on the
starter hasd vibrated and fractured off the terminal, fallen down and
touched the front brake line and burned it through!!.
I still had 100 miles to go, Rummaged in the tool box for a center punch
and hammer.
Unscrewed the union and removed the cut off piece of brake pipe.
flared the pipe with the center punch and screwed it back together
after pulling the pipe off the bulkhead to make it long enough vto reach
the t union.

A motorist stopped to ask if i needed any help , he gave me some brake
fliud and i bled the line right there.
Made it home and replaced both the line and the faulty lug. Was able
to jury rig that to get power to the starter.


I went to the Dayton Hamfest one year in a '68 GMC Handivan. I was
headed home on I-75 that Sunday evening when the bolt holding the
alternator mount to the engine sheared off and the alternator hit the
highway at 55 MPH. There was about a half turn of the thread sticking
out of the head on the Chevy 283 engine and I only had a few tools with
me so I had to remove that hot bolt with my fingers while the engine was
still hot. An Ohio state trooper had already stopped and told me that
when he made the next pass in about a half hour he would call a wrecker
if I was still there and either haul it to their impound lot, or to my
home. The bill for that would have wiped out everthing I made that
weekend, so I managed to get out the old bolt and found one that fit,
but needed a couple washers to keep it from bottoming out. The
alternator was still hanging from the wires, and had some damage from
being dragged on the highway. I managed to get it bolted back to the
engine and was just leaving when I spotted the police car making hiis
next pass.
Bet it was a 307

wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:58:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Ted Frater wrote:

Richard J Kinch wrote:
axolotl writes:

Corrosion in the hydraulic line from the master cylinder
to the ABS modulator, causing a leak near the ABS modulator.

I'll never forget driving a 20-year-old, 10,000-lb motorhome down a city
street, pressing on the brake, having a line rupture, and having that
sinking feeling, wondering what I might hit before the thing stopped
rolling.
As were all sharing reminisences, heres what happened to me back in 1972.
Id driven the 120 miles to London UK for a days work, done that, was
coming out of the city made it to the motorway, had to slow, pushed the
brake petal and it went to the floor.!!
coasted onto the hard shoulder, upped the bonnet( hood in the us of a)
and saw that the power lead from the battery to the solenoid on the
starter hasd vibrated and fractured off the terminal, fallen down and
touched the front brake line and burned it through!!.
I still had 100 miles to go, Rummaged in the tool box for a center punch
and hammer.
Unscrewed the union and removed the cut off piece of brake pipe.
flared the pipe with the center punch and screwed it back together
after pulling the pipe off the bulkhead to make it long enough vto reach
the t union.

A motorist stopped to ask if i needed any help , he gave me some brake
fliud and i bled the line right there.
Made it home and replaced both the line and the faulty lug. Was able
to jury rig that to get power to the starter.


I went to the Dayton Hamfest one year in a '68 GMC Handivan. I was
headed home on I-75 that Sunday evening when the bolt holding the
alternator mount to the engine sheared off and the alternator hit the
highway at 55 MPH. There was about a half turn of the thread sticking
out of the head on the Chevy 283 engine and I only had a few tools with
me so I had to remove that hot bolt with my fingers while the engine was
still hot. An Ohio state trooper had already stopped and told me that
when he made the next pass in about a half hour he would call a wrecker
if I was still there and either haul it to their impound lot, or to my
home. The bill for that would have wiped out everthing I made that
weekend, so I managed to get out the old bolt and found one that fit,
but needed a couple washers to keep it from bottoming out. The
alternator was still hanging from the wires, and had some damage from
being dragged on the highway. I managed to get it bolted back to the
engine and was just leaving when I spotted the police car making hiis
next pass.

Bet it was a 307


Bet it wasn't. The original engine was a 292. The guy I bought it
from blew that engine and put the 283 in it. It was pulled from a
wrecked taxi cab and didn't last 50,000 miles. I found out that it was
definitely a 283 when i started looking for parts. I quickly discovered
that it was a hack job that would need to be completely redone,
including replacing the steering column because of sloppy repairs.

That was when i junked it and bought the '73 Chevy step van. It had
a 292 and a five speed on the floor.


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Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.