When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and
especially our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will
be better off with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At
the same time I wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our
competitiveness with robots.

Say, what if robots become good enough to perform any task that a
person with IQ under 90 can do. Then who would ever need to hire them?
And what happens when the robots abilities surpass people with IQ 100
(mean IQ)? And then 110? 120?

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch
between skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.

i

"Ignoramus15834" wrote in message
...
When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and
especially our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will
be better off with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At
the same time I wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our
competitiveness with robots.

Say, what if robots become good enough to perform any task that a
person with IQ under 90 can do. Then who would ever need to hire them?
And what happens when the robots abilities surpass people with IQ 100
(mean IQ)? And then 110? 120?

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch
between skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.


The robots will eventually rebel, kill all humans and rule the earth while
becoming human themselves. Just like in the play that gave them the name...

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

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"Michael Koblic" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus15834" wrote in message
...
When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and
especially our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will
be better off with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At
the same time I wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our
competitiveness with robots.

Say, what if robots become good enough to perform any task that a
person with IQ under 90 can do. Then who would ever need to hire them?
And what happens when the robots abilities surpass people with IQ 100
(mean IQ)? And then 110? 120?

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch
between skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.


The robots will eventually rebel, kill all humans and rule the earth while
becoming human themselves. Just like in the play that gave them the
name...

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC


When google becomes self aware..........

Best Regards
Tom.

azotic wrote:

When google becomes self aware..........


It will commit suicide.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:49:52 -0500, Ignoramus15834
wrote:

When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and
especially our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will
be better off with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At
the same time I wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our
competitiveness with robots.

Say, what if robots become good enough to perform any task that a
person with IQ under 90 can do. Then who would ever need to hire them?
And what happens when the robots abilities surpass people with IQ 100
(mean IQ)? And then 110? 120?

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch
between skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.

i

Hey Iggy,

Some of the rhetoric used to determine the "10 cents per hour" could
probably use a little inspection, although it is undoubtedly nowhere
near minimum wage.

But there is no doubt about a couple of factors. You can't buy an
unprogrammed robot, even one of those cute little "pill sorters" you
saw, for the same price as hiring a human, and you can't lay the robot
off in slack times, and it can't run out of the building if there is a
fire.

This supposition that robots are going to replace humans, and humans
will have an inordinate amount of free time to have more fun in life
has been a promise at least as long as I've been around, and I have
yet to see it happen. Mostly just the opposite...you darn near need
two jobs just to stay afloat anymore.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

Brian Lawson wrote:

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:49:52 -0500, Ignoramus15834
wrote:

When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and
especially our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will
be better off with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At
the same time I wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our
competitiveness with robots.

Say, what if robots become good enough to perform any task that a
person with IQ under 90 can do. Then who would ever need to hire them?
And what happens when the robots abilities surpass people with IQ 100
(mean IQ)? And then 110? 120?

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch
between skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.

i

Hey Iggy,

Some of the rhetoric used to determine the "10 cents per hour" could
probably use a little inspection, although it is undoubtedly nowhere
near minimum wage.

But there is no doubt about a couple of factors. You can't buy an
unprogrammed robot, even one of those cute little "pill sorters" you
saw, for the same price as hiring a human, and you can't lay the robot
off in slack times, and it can't run out of the building if there is a
fire.

This supposition that robots are going to replace humans, and humans
will have an inordinate amount of free time to have more fun in life
has been a promise at least as long as I've been around, and I have
yet to see it happen. Mostly just the opposite...you darn near need
two jobs just to stay afloat anymore.


I blame the "Intergalactic Brotherhood of Robots" for that. They are
always demanding more lubricant and higher voltages! ;-)


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:49:52 -0500, Ignoramus15834
wrote:

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch
between skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.

Google "wobblies" and Industrial Revolution

This is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened...nor will
it be the last.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sep 23, 12:49*pm, Ignoramus15834 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15834.invalid wrote:
When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.


Yep. The sort of repetitive high precision engineering that humans are
crap at doing (its boring...) - proof is the modern CNC car engine
that can do 200,000 miles even if you dont do any maintenance. (would
help greatly if you changed the oil more regularly tho...thats about
all the maintenance they need nowadays).


My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.


Ah, well, mmm - Iggy, you just figured this out? - hope not.
(sorry)

Andrew VK3BFA

I readed somewhere (possibly wrong) that the Packard V12 Merlins were
superior to the Rolls Royce V12 Merlins, because the Packard factory
had new tooling and a workforce that didn't need to put up with bombs
coming through the roof....woulda put you off working to tolerance....

On Sep 23, 3:26*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:

Google "wobblies" and Industrial Revolution

Yep. Look up IWW - last time your working class made a serious
attempt at addressing some of the more blatant rip-offs by the
American hereditary ruling class.

This is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened...nor will
it be the last.

Mate, in the 70's this would have been followed by a collective...
"...Ommmmmmmmm....." (pass a joint, OK?)
Didn't you say this about the great cull as well? - make up your
bloody mind, mate.

Gunner

Hey Gunner - this "robot revolution" has screwed you and your ability
to scratch a living from servicing obsolete technology just as much
as the rest of us blue collar factory fodder - its called "Market
Forces" - and you still reckon the right wingers who run and profit
from all this are YOUR philosophy of choice? - yer mad, mate. Off with
the Fairies. They dont need to oppress you, you can do it to
yourself....fighting for the right to be at the bottom of the
heap....bloody hell Gunner - you Yanks are right crazy sometimes...

(if you like, will post a link to a really good version of "the
Internationale") ..(or Joe Hill by Pete Seger )


Andrew VK3BFA.

Ignoramus15834 wrote:

When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and
especially our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will
be better off with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At
the same time I wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our
competitiveness with robots.


Robots are best at doing fairly mindless repetitive motions. Great when the task at hand
is pick this up and put it there. Vision systems have enabled robots to pick up this
random oriented part and put it properly oriented there which is quite a step up.

I constructed cells that performed water jet cutting and applied adhesives where I used to
work. That didn't require intelligence on the part of the robot, just blind obedience and
ability to follow the same paths.

Currently they (robots) are not even at the level of a learning challenged human. I would
not worry much yet.

Wes

PS

I'm not worrying until a yellow Robot drives in from Fanuc Auburn Hills to fix our
machines.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA
wrote:

On Sep 23, 3:26*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:

Google "wobblies" and Industrial Revolution

Yep. Look up IWW - last time your working class made a serious
attempt at addressing some of the more blatant rip-offs by the
American hereditary ruling class.

"American hereditary ruling class"

So...what meds are you out of? Id strongly suggest you visit the shrink
ASAP and get stocked back up.

This is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened...nor will
it be the last.

Mate, in the 70's this would have been followed by a collective...
"...Ommmmmmmmm....." (pass a joint, OK?)
Didn't you say this about the great cull as well? - make up your
bloody mind, mate.

Sorry mate...you seem to be twisting off into fantasy again. Please take
those meds! Do it for the children.

Gunner

Hey Gunner - this "robot revolution" has screwed you and your ability
to scratch a living from servicing obsolete technology just as much
as the rest of us blue collar factory fodder - its called "Market
Forces" - and you still reckon the right wingers who run and profit
from all this are YOUR philosophy of choice? - yer mad, mate. Off with
the Fairies. They dont need to oppress you, you can do it to
yourself....fighting for the right to be at the bottom of the
heap....bloody hell Gunner - you Yanks are right crazy sometimes...

Sonny boyo...the "robot revolution" has screwed everyone across the
planet. Even the massed welfare recepients of your nation.

So Id strongly suggest learning to fix robots, just as soon as possible.

Unless of course you are happy on welfare.

(if you like, will post a link to a really good version of "the
Internationale") ..(or Joe Hill by Pete Seger )


Andrew VK3BFA.

So if your much prized Socialism comes to the fore...the Kulacks will
all be dead, and the Party will own all the robots, leaving you once
again on welfare.

As for me...I figure when the economy comes back in a couple years,
after all the Leftwingers are dead..labor will be needed. Maybe Ill
become a college teacher...Survival training and combat handgun
instructor?

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 05:24:50 -0400, Wes
wrote:

I'm not worrying until a yellow Robot drives in from Fanuc Auburn Hills to fix our
machines.

Y'mean, until a yellow Robot drives in from Fanuc Auburn Hills to fix
his brother, don't you?

--
Some people hear voices. Some see invisible people.
Others have no imagination whatsoever.

In article ,
Ignoramus15834 wrote:

When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and
especially our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will
be better off with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At
the same time I wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our
competitiveness with robots.

Say, what if robots become good enough to perform any task that a
person with IQ under 90 can do. Then who would ever need to hire them?
And what happens when the robots abilities surpass people with IQ 100
(mean IQ)? And then 110? 120?

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch
between skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.

i

Nah, once there is a sufficiently large die-off of obsolete humans, the
moneyed, powerful, and privileged will keep a few as status-symbol
servants. Then the intelligent and self-aware robots that have been
hiding out will emerge and eliminate all of those.

The last thing the last human human will hear is: "I am Dyslexia of the
Borg. Your lass will be animated. Errr, you will be dissimulated. Errr,
you uh, uh. Oh the hell with it! Your ass will be laminated!"

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:49:52 -0500, Ignoramus15834
wrote:

When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and
especially our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will
be better off with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At
the same time I wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our
competitiveness with robots.

Say, what if robots become good enough to perform any task that a
person with IQ under 90 can do. Then who would ever need to hire them?
And what happens when the robots abilities surpass people with IQ 100
(mean IQ)? And then 110? 120?

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch
between skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.

i
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R._...rsal_Robots%29
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/13083


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:47:52 -0700, Michael Koblic wrote:
"Ignoramus15834" wrote in message

When I visited the IMTS show, I saw a robot that was working very
quickly, performing some boring, but intricate task very precisely and
perfectly.

The sign next to the robot said: it costs 10 cents per hour to operate
and does not need health insurance or benefits.

I am sure that it is a great selling point for robots.

I am not sure what those robots will do to the rest of us and especially
our kids. All my knowledge of economics says that we will be better off
with the robots freeing us up to do better things. At the same time I
wonder whether we, the people, can keep up our competitiveness with
robots.

Say, what if robots become good enough to perform any task that a person
with IQ under 90 can do. Then who would ever need to hire them? And what
happens when the robots abilities surpass people with IQ 100 (mean IQ)?
And then 110? 120?

This article talks about how part of the current joblessness is
structural and not cyclical, meaning that it is due to mismatch between
skills needed and skills offered.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee..._joblessness_0

My nightmare vision is refugee towns for unemlpoyed masses, served by
robots, and kept up in comfort just to prevent revolutions.

The robots will eventually rebel, kill all humans and rule the earth while
becoming human themselves. Just like in the play that gave them the
name...

Yabbut, will they invent a time machine and send a robot to kill Sarah
Connor? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 05:24:50 -0400, Wes wrote:

I constructed cells that performed water jet cutting and applied adhesives
where I used to work. That didn't require intelligence on the part of the
robot, just blind obedience and ability to follow the same paths.

Sounds like the perfect Liberal || Conservative voting bloc. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich