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"New" 48 year old invention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. |
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Bob La Londe wrote:
"New" 48 year old invention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. Was this video made in 1987? It sure sounds and looks like it. |
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"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
... Bob La Londe wrote: "New" 48 year old invention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. Was this video made in 1987? It sure sounds and looks like it. I would not be surprised. The product was developed in 1962. |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Cydrome Leader" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "New" 48 year old invention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. Was this video made in 1987? It sure sounds and looks like it. I would not be surprised. The product was developed in 1962. It has properties that are not dissimilar to the original Pyrex, which is borosilicate glass (still available as cookware in Europe, but it's not the Pyrex sold for that purpose today in the US). "Gorilla glass" is aluminosilicate. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:58:40 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: "New" 48 year old invention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. ========== Its an interesting product, but the corporate actions are even more interesting. From the available media reports, Corning will make no attempt to [expand] manufacture of the product in the U.S. but is converting an existing plant in Japan, with the product in finished form, e.g. flat screen TVs, to be imported to the United States. http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/new-e...s-head-to-Asia Thus not only are jobs exported, and the infrastructure/tax base expanded in other than U.S. tax jurisdictions, but the current account trade deficit increased at a time of serious U.S. unemployment and deficits. I have already written my Senators and Representative about this [for what ever good that will do]. A copy of this email is attached below. Feel to use all, any part, or none of it, to write your own "Congress persons." Almost all Senators and Representatives have a web site with a mail page. You can locate your Senators and their web mail addresses at http://senate.gov/ any your representative at http://house.gov/ You can send an email to the President at http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ although there is a 1,500 character limit. One hint -- after you identify your "Congress Persons" and locate their web mail pages, "bookmark" for easy future "nagging." ===== start of email ==== "GORILLA GLASS" AND THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER. The media has had several news items about a new and rising demand for a 50-year old product, a very strong and scratch resistant glass by Corning. For detailed information see: http://news.google.com/news/search?a...s&oq =gorilla The reason I am writing is that it appears the patent owner, Corning, appears determined to export the jobs created by the demand for this new old product, and the factory investment needed to produce it. http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/new-e...s-head-to-Asia To be sure, as the owner of the patent [now apparently expired] and possibly "trade secrets," they currently have the right to produce the material wherever they wish and import it for the U.S. market, however it is totally unconscionable for them to receive U.S. tax credits for so doing, either as special "investment tax credits," some sort of "export tax credits for intellectual property," or through deductibility of overseas investments and interest as a business expense on their U.S. taxes. The rationale for tax deductibility for "investments," interest, and capitalization/depreciation of R&D has been that such tax preferences eventually generate enough U.S. jobs, increase the U.S. tax base, develop the U.S. manufacturing capacity and increase domestic "intellectual property" enough to at least offset the taxes initially lost. This is self-evidently no longer the case with the proliferation of U.S. domiciled transnational corporations and their increasing abuse of these provisions of the tax code. I am therefore suggesting: (1) Revision of the IRS code to prohibit the tax deductibility of investments and interest or other payments for these investments, ON U.S. TAXES, for any facilities constructed, operated or purchased outside U.S. tax jurisdiction. (2) Revision of the IRS code for the mandatory pro rata reduction of tax deductabilities, tax exemptions, tax credits, subsidies, etc. after the application of (1) above, by the percent of non-U.S. citizens employed at these facilities, illegal or legal, i.e. H1b. Most of the required data is already available through the IRS W2 wage reporting system, backed by ICE. (3) Revision of the IRS code to provide for the recapture of tax credits and deductions, with interest and penalties, for "R&D," when the products or processes developed are "exported" through sale or license for production overseas, which are then imported into the U.S., unless it can be shown that sufficient U.S. taxes have been generated by the domestic application of the "R&D" through increased jobs, increased tax base, etc. using accepted economic methodology, to offset the tax reductions/exemptions. In the case of "sleeper products" such as "Gorilla Glass," that have remained dormant for many years, NPV/DCF adjustment with a reasonable internal rate of return and inflation adjustment should be applied to the original R&D "investment" costs to prevent "shelving." === end of email ==== -- Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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Ed Huntress wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Cydrome Leader" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "New" 48 year old invention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. Was this video made in 1987? It sure sounds and looks like it. I would not be surprised. The product was developed in 1962. It has properties that are not dissimilar to the original Pyrex, which is borosilicate glass (still available as cookware in Europe, but it's not the Pyrex sold for that purpose today in the US). "Gorilla glass" is aluminosilicate. Anchor Hocking still makes & sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. http://www.anchorhocking.com/search.html?search=borosilicate+glass |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message m... Ed Huntress wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Cydrome Leader" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "New" 48 year old invention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. Was this video made in 1987? It sure sounds and looks like it. I would not be surprised. The product was developed in 1962. It has properties that are not dissimilar to the original Pyrex, which is borosilicate glass (still available as cookware in Europe, but it's not the Pyrex sold for that purpose today in the US). "Gorilla glass" is aluminosilicate. Anchor Hocking still makes & sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Once again, in your desperate quest to prove your superiority, you've stuck your foot in your mouth. Check your facts, Michael. You should know better by now. -- Ed Huntress http://www.anchorhocking.com/search.html?search=borosilicate+glass |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
Anchor Hocking still makes & sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes |
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 02:39:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message om... Ed Huntress wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Cydrome Leader" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "New" 48 year old invention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. Was this video made in 1987? It sure sounds and looks like it. I would not be surprised. The product was developed in 1962. It has properties that are not dissimilar to the original Pyrex, which is borosilicate glass (still available as cookware in Europe, but it's not the Pyrex sold for that purpose today in the US). "Gorilla glass" is aluminosilicate. Anchor Hocking still makes & sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Once again, in your desperate quest to prove your superiority, you've stuck your foot in your mouth. Check your facts, Michael. You should know better by now. Our of curiosity, why isn't US Pyrex and similar borosilicate glass anymore? I can even buy the stuff in sheet from the glassworks half a mile from home (useful when you break the oven door and want to replace it with something decent..). On the original topic, I'm less than impressed that the videos all seem to show them comparing the new glass with ordinary soda-lime glass. That's a bit like comparing a Nimonic alloy with wood :-| Mark Rand RTFM |
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Mark Rand wrote:
Check your facts, Michael. You should know better by now. Our of curiosity, why isn't US Pyrex and similar borosilicate glass anymore? I can even buy the stuff in sheet from the glassworks half a mile from home (useful when you break the oven door and want to replace it with something decent..). Here is one take on it. http://thestatsblog.wordpress.com/20...ion-continues/ Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"Mark Rand" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 02:39:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:IZCdnVD2bKBLc8HRnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink. com... Ed Huntress wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Cydrome Leader" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "New" 48 year old invention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope6uViLcEY Interesting video. Its nice that its stronger than regular glass, but I would have liked to see them push it until it did break. Was this video made in 1987? It sure sounds and looks like it. I would not be surprised. The product was developed in 1962. It has properties that are not dissimilar to the original Pyrex, which is borosilicate glass (still available as cookware in Europe, but it's not the Pyrex sold for that purpose today in the US). "Gorilla glass" is aluminosilicate. Anchor Hocking still makes & sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Once again, in your desperate quest to prove your superiority, you've stuck your foot in your mouth. Check your facts, Michael. You should know better by now. Our of curiosity, why isn't US Pyrex and similar borosilicate glass anymore? It's only the cookware. You can still get lab glassware labelled Pyrex that's borosilicate. I dunno why. Soda-lime glass probably is cheaper. Dow-Corning sold the cookware business in the US to some other company in 1998. I think it was Iggy that had a Pyrex baking dish explode. There are lots of complaints about the new stuff. I can even buy the stuff in sheet from the glassworks half a mile from home (useful when you break the oven door and want to replace it with something decent..). They make the real stuff in France. I considered importing it, but the licensing and trademark thing is sewed up tight. On the original topic, I'm less than impressed that the videos all seem to show them comparing the new glass with ordinary soda-lime glass. That's a bit like comparing a Nimonic alloy with wood :-| Yeah. I never heard of aluminosilicate glass before, but apparently it's been around since the '60s. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 8/7/2010 5:30 PM, Wes wrote:
Here is one take on it. http://thestatsblog.wordpress.com/20...ion-continues/ Here is World Kitchens, LLC answer to another article. What is interesting is the statement that soda-lime glass is superior in the application. The product sold outside the US, however, is borosilicate. This begs the question: Why are they selling inferior glassware in Europe? http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0..._response.html Kevin Gallimore |
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On Aug 7, 4:53*pm, Wes wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote: * Anchor Hocking still makes & sells borosilicate glass products in the US. *A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. |
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On Aug 3, 9:09*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote: From the available media reports, Corning will make no attempt to [expand] manufacture of the product in the U.S. but is converting an existing plant in Japan, with the product in finished form, e.g. flat screen TVs, to be imported to the United States. *http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/new-e...rilla-glass-in... -- Unka George *(George McDuffee) .............................. Makes perfect sense to me. Why would you make the glass for flat screen TV's in the U.S. when the flat screen tv's are made in Asia. Dan |
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Wes wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes & sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". |
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On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". |
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axolotl wrote:
On 8/7/2010 5:30 PM, Wes wrote: Here is one take on it. http://thestatsblog.wordpress.com/20...ion-continues/ Here is World Kitchens, LLC answer to another article. What is interesting is the statement that soda-lime glass is superior in the application. The product sold outside the US, however, is borosilicate. This begs the question: Why are they selling inferior glassware in Europe? http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0..._response.html Kevin Gallimore I sure don't plan to buy some of both and do my own testing. I seem to remember mom having a baking dish fail when I was a kid. That would have had to be borosilicate due to the time frame. One isolated case means squat. #later in day, I knew I was going over so I stopped typing# Checking with mom at dinner today had her coming up blank so it might have been grandma (departed) or a memory from somewhere else. Mom doesn't ever remember an issue with glass bakeware. If there was a problem with either one, I'm sure the tort lawyers would be all over it so I'm going to stick with the opinion that it is a non-issue at this point in time. FWIW, I installed a couple Waldmann light fixtures in a couple od/id grinders after getting tired of replacing the plastic lense covers on the oem lighting that would get destroyed by a blown wheel. With borosilicate glass, haven't had one crack yet and it has been at least 5 years. I didn't think acrylic would fare so good with CBN wheels. (scratching) Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? |
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On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 8/10/2010 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
"J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. Bodum sells some borosilicate measuring cups. Saint Gobain Vidros sells Brazilian-made "Marinex" brand borosilicate bakeware in the US if you can find it--Amazon.com lists quite a lot of it. Note that they also have a line of tableware sold under the same brand name that appears to be tempered soda-lime so read the details carefully. Arcuisine in France sells a couple of sizes of borosilicate baking dish on the US market--google "arcuisine elegance" and you should find a number or sources. |
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On Aug 10, 5:34*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. -- Ed Huntress I may have been wrong when I said Anchor Hocking sold borosilicate glass bakeware. I did find references to Anchor Hocking selling borosilicate glass bakeware with the tradename Fireking. But they may have stopped selling borosilicate glass bakeware. The Anchor Hocking website that I looked at does not promote Fireking bakeware. Dan |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. Bodum sells some borosilicate measuring cups. Saint Gobain Vidros sells Brazilian-made "Marinex" brand borosilicate bakeware in the US if you can find it--Amazon.com lists quite a lot of it. Note that they also have a line of tableware sold under the same brand name that appears to be tempered soda-lime so read the details carefully. Arcuisine in France sells a couple of sizes of borosilicate baking dish on the US market--google "arcuisine elegance" and you should find a number or sources. Interesting. Arc in France makes borosilicate Pyrex, but it isn't sold here. I wonder what the relationship is, if any, between Arcuisine and Arc? -- Ed Huntress |
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On 8/10/2010 7:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
"J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. Bodum sells some borosilicate measuring cups. Saint Gobain Vidros sells Brazilian-made "Marinex" brand borosilicate bakeware in the US if you can find it--Amazon.com lists quite a lot of it. Note that they also have a line of tableware sold under the same brand name that appears to be tempered soda-lime so read the details carefully. Arcuisine in France sells a couple of sizes of borosilicate baking dish on the US market--google "arcuisine elegance" and you should find a number or sources. Interesting. Arc in France makes borosilicate Pyrex, but it isn't sold here. I wonder what the relationship is, if any, between Arcuisine and Arc? "Arcuisine Elegance" is the product that is sold in the UK as "Pyrex Elegance". |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 7:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. Bodum sells some borosilicate measuring cups. Saint Gobain Vidros sells Brazilian-made "Marinex" brand borosilicate bakeware in the US if you can find it--Amazon.com lists quite a lot of it. Note that they also have a line of tableware sold under the same brand name that appears to be tempered soda-lime so read the details carefully. Arcuisine in France sells a couple of sizes of borosilicate baking dish on the US market--google "arcuisine elegance" and you should find a number or sources. Interesting. Arc in France makes borosilicate Pyrex, but it isn't sold here. I wonder what the relationship is, if any, between Arcuisine and Arc? "Arcuisine Elegance" is the product that is sold in the UK as "Pyrex Elegance". The plot thickens. g Last November, after we had our earlier discussion about this, after Iggy's baking dish explosion, I had a lawyer friend look into the prospects for importing Arc Pyrex into the US (importing cookware used to be one of my parents' businesses, and I was interested.) Basically, he said "no way." Pyrex is sewed up. To sell under another brand, you'd have to be prepared to spend big bucks to build a brand. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 8/10/2010 8:42 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
"J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 7:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. Bodum sells some borosilicate measuring cups. Saint Gobain Vidros sells Brazilian-made "Marinex" brand borosilicate bakeware in the US if you can find it--Amazon.com lists quite a lot of it. Note that they also have a line of tableware sold under the same brand name that appears to be tempered soda-lime so read the details carefully. Arcuisine in France sells a couple of sizes of borosilicate baking dish on the US market--google "arcuisine elegance" and you should find a number or sources. Interesting. Arc in France makes borosilicate Pyrex, but it isn't sold here. I wonder what the relationship is, if any, between Arcuisine and Arc? "Arcuisine Elegance" is the product that is sold in the UK as "Pyrex Elegance". The plot thickens.g Last November, after we had our earlier discussion about this, after Iggy's baking dish explosion, I had a lawyer friend look into the prospects for importing Arc Pyrex into the US (importing cookware used to be one of my parents' businesses, and I was interested.) Basically, he said "no way." Pyrex is sewed up. To sell under another brand, you'd have to be prepared to spend big bucks to build a brand. Depends on how big a market you want. I doubt that they're trying to dethrone Pyrex as a brand. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar Pyrex brand item: http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware&prdNo=5 There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website that were there when I researched the items I purchased. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 8:42 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 7:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. Bodum sells some borosilicate measuring cups. Saint Gobain Vidros sells Brazilian-made "Marinex" brand borosilicate bakeware in the US if you can find it--Amazon.com lists quite a lot of it. Note that they also have a line of tableware sold under the same brand name that appears to be tempered soda-lime so read the details carefully. Arcuisine in France sells a couple of sizes of borosilicate baking dish on the US market--google "arcuisine elegance" and you should find a number or sources. Interesting. Arc in France makes borosilicate Pyrex, but it isn't sold here. I wonder what the relationship is, if any, between Arcuisine and Arc? "Arcuisine Elegance" is the product that is sold in the UK as "Pyrex Elegance". The plot thickens.g Last November, after we had our earlier discussion about this, after Iggy's baking dish explosion, I had a lawyer friend look into the prospects for importing Arc Pyrex into the US (importing cookware used to be one of my parents' businesses, and I was interested.) Basically, he said "no way." Pyrex is sewed up. To sell under another brand, you'd have to be prepared to spend big bucks to build a brand. Depends on how big a market you want. I doubt that they're trying to dethrone Pyrex as a brand. My family having been in that business for years, but long before web marketing, our experience was that marketing niche items in that market is expensive business. There are several angles you can take but they're either fiercely price competitive, at the low end, or they require some kind of prestige cache, at the high end. My idea was that, if you could market "original Pyrex," you'd have a natural. But it appears that the license holders have it sewn up pretty tight. No surprise. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 8/10/2010 10:32 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
"J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 8:42 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 7:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. Bodum sells some borosilicate measuring cups. Saint Gobain Vidros sells Brazilian-made "Marinex" brand borosilicate bakeware in the US if you can find it--Amazon.com lists quite a lot of it. Note that they also have a line of tableware sold under the same brand name that appears to be tempered soda-lime so read the details carefully. Arcuisine in France sells a couple of sizes of borosilicate baking dish on the US market--google "arcuisine elegance" and you should find a number or sources. Interesting. Arc in France makes borosilicate Pyrex, but it isn't sold here. I wonder what the relationship is, if any, between Arcuisine and Arc? "Arcuisine Elegance" is the product that is sold in the UK as "Pyrex Elegance". The plot thickens.g Last November, after we had our earlier discussion about this, after Iggy's baking dish explosion, I had a lawyer friend look into the prospects for importing Arc Pyrex into the US (importing cookware used to be one of my parents' businesses, and I was interested.) Basically, he said "no way." Pyrex is sewed up. To sell under another brand, you'd have to be prepared to spend big bucks to build a brand. Depends on how big a market you want. I doubt that they're trying to dethrone Pyrex as a brand. My family having been in that business for years, but long before web marketing, our experience was that marketing niche items in that market is expensive business. There are several angles you can take but they're either fiercely price competitive, at the low end, or they require some kind of prestige cache, at the high end. My idea was that, if you could market "original Pyrex," you'd have a natural. But it appears that the license holders have it sewn up pretty tight. No surprise. It looks like there's a niche market for borosilicate bakeware that none of the big players in the US are filling. That seems to be what Saint Gobain and Arc are going after. |
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On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote: I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar Pyrex brand item: http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware&prdNo=5 There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website that were there when I researched the items I purchased. Interesting. Next time I see such an item I'll have to check it out. Meanwhile I emailed Anchor Hocking asking about this--it will be interesting to see what they say. Oh, and just for clarity, you did buy in the US? |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 10:32 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 8:42 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 7:22 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 5:34 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "J. wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/8/2010 3:16 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Wes wrote: "Ed wrote: Anchor Hocking still makes& sells borosilicate glass products in the US. A search on their site gives 442 hits so you're wrong, yet again. Not since 1998, Michael. Read what I said above. Pyrex cookware sold in the US today is tempered soda lime glass, and has been for over a decade. That's why Anchor Hocking doesn't call their glass products "Pyrex." Unless something changed recently, Ed is absolutely correct. I looked into this a while back. Wes Anchor Hocking can't use the name Pyrex, but they sell borosilicate glassware. I bought some a month ago, and their website had 442 hits for "borosilicate glass". You might want to look more closely at those 442 hits. Searching on borosilicate alone yields 9 hits, searching on borosilicate glass yields 443, however examining them it appears that 434 of them do not contain the world "borosilicate"--apparently the search is on "borosilicate OR glass" rather than "borosilicate AND glass" or the phrase "borosilicate glass". The Anchor Hocking items I purchased state that they are made of borosilicate glass. Are you going to claim that they weren't? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. Just to set the record straight, there are no Anchor Hocking cookware items made of borosilicate glass. There are a few pieces of their stemware that are, and some decorative canisters. But no cookware. All of their cookware is made of tempered soda-lime glass, just like US-sold Pyrex. As far as they know, there is no borosilicate glass cookware sold on the US market. I have no way of checking that for accuracy. Bodum sells some borosilicate measuring cups. Saint Gobain Vidros sells Brazilian-made "Marinex" brand borosilicate bakeware in the US if you can find it--Amazon.com lists quite a lot of it. Note that they also have a line of tableware sold under the same brand name that appears to be tempered soda-lime so read the details carefully. Arcuisine in France sells a couple of sizes of borosilicate baking dish on the US market--google "arcuisine elegance" and you should find a number or sources. Interesting. Arc in France makes borosilicate Pyrex, but it isn't sold here. I wonder what the relationship is, if any, between Arcuisine and Arc? "Arcuisine Elegance" is the product that is sold in the UK as "Pyrex Elegance". The plot thickens.g Last November, after we had our earlier discussion about this, after Iggy's baking dish explosion, I had a lawyer friend look into the prospects for importing Arc Pyrex into the US (importing cookware used to be one of my parents' businesses, and I was interested.) Basically, he said "no way." Pyrex is sewed up. To sell under another brand, you'd have to be prepared to spend big bucks to build a brand. Depends on how big a market you want. I doubt that they're trying to dethrone Pyrex as a brand. My family having been in that business for years, but long before web marketing, our experience was that marketing niche items in that market is expensive business. There are several angles you can take but they're either fiercely price competitive, at the low end, or they require some kind of prestige cache, at the high end. My idea was that, if you could market "original Pyrex," you'd have a natural. But it appears that the license holders have it sewn up pretty tight. No surprise. It looks like there's a niche market for borosilicate bakeware that none of the big players in the US are filling. That seems to be what Saint Gobain and Arc are going after. With a gourmet cachet that they've carefully cultivated -- and paid for. St. Gobain is a classy brand. Arc is not well known in the US by its own name, but it has the horsepower to drive distribution. At least, enough for their purposes. -- Ed Huntress |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar Pyrex brand item: http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware&prdNo=5 There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website that were there when I researched the items I purchased. Interesting. Next time I see such an item I'll have to check it out. Meanwhile I emailed Anchor Hocking asking about this--it will be interesting to see what they say. See if they say something like this: "Thank you for taking the time to contact Anchor Hocking. "Anchor Hocking strives to maintain high quality standards to produce the finest glassware available. "We would like you to know that the material used in all glass ovenware in the market place today is known as soda lime glass, which has been subjected to a manufacturing process known as tempering. It is the same process used to produce tempered safety glass found in many windows or glass shower doors, etc. "Tempered glassware is also a more durable glass and beside the durability and safety there is no lead or harmful chemicals in our products making them very consumer health conscious glassware products. "We do appreciate hearing from you." -- Ed Huntress |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar Pyrex brand item: http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware&prdNo=5 There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website that were there when I researched the items I purchased. Interesting. Next time I see such an item I'll have to check it out. Meanwhile I emailed Anchor Hocking asking about this--it will be interesting to see what they say. Oh, and just for clarity, you did buy in the US? Does Florida qualify? ;-) |
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On 8/11/2010 3:12 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar Pyrex brand item: http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware&prdNo=5 There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website that were there when I researched the items I purchased. Interesting. Next time I see such an item I'll have to check it out. Meanwhile I emailed Anchor Hocking asking about this--it will be interesting to see what they say. Oh, and just for clarity, you did buy in the US? Does Florida qualify? ;-) Yup, that's fine--just wanted to be sure we weren't going around over European or Asian vs US glass. |
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On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote: I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar Pyrex brand item: http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware&prdNo=5 There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website that were there when I researched the items I purchased. Well, in response to my inquiry, I got back from Anchor Hocking: "Anchor Hocking strives to maintain high quality standards to provide the finest glassware products available. We are proud of our products and responsiveness to our consumer questions. We would like you to know the material used in glass ovenware in the market place today is known as soda lime glass, which has been subjected to a manufacturing process known as tempering. It is the same process used to produce tempered safety glass found in many windows or glass shower doors, etc. Additionally, tempered ovenware products are more durable and a healthier product. Our glassware contains no lead or harmful chemicals making it a very consumer health conscious product. " So, if they are producing borosilicate bakeware they don't want it to be known. Perhaps the items you have were "new old stock"? |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar Pyrex brand item: http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware&prdNo=5 There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website that were there when I researched the items I purchased. Well, in response to my inquiry, I got back from Anchor Hocking: "Anchor Hocking strives to maintain high quality standards to provide the finest glassware products available. We are proud of our products and responsiveness to our consumer questions. We would like you to know the material used in glass ovenware in the market place today is known as soda lime glass, which has been subjected to a manufacturing process known as tempering. It is the same process used to produce tempered safety glass found in many windows or glass shower doors, etc. Additionally, tempered ovenware products are more durable and a healthier product. Our glassware contains no lead or harmful chemicals making it a very consumer health conscious product. " So, if they are producing borosilicate bakeware they don't want it to be known. Perhaps the items you have were "new old stock"? That's possible. Some retailers aren't know for being careful to rotate stock. Still, it makes you wonder why there are so many hits for borosilicate when you search their site. They showed a set of salt & pepper shakers as borosilicate. I wonder if they never bothered to remove old keywords, or if it's SEO fraud? At any rate, the items I bought were exactly what I was looking for. I notice that the prices have dropped since I bought mine, too. |
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On 8/12/2010 6:21 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote: I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate glass can benefit from your experience. These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar Pyrex brand item: http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware&prdNo=5 There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website that were there when I researched the items I purchased. Well, in response to my inquiry, I got back from Anchor Hocking: "Anchor Hocking strives to maintain high quality standards to provide the finest glassware products available. We are proud of our products and responsiveness to our consumer questions. We would like you to know the material used in glass ovenware in the market place today is known as soda lime glass, which has been subjected to a manufacturing process known as tempering. It is the same process used to produce tempered safety glass found in many windows or glass shower doors, etc. Additionally, tempered ovenware products are more durable and a healthier product. Our glassware contains no lead or harmful chemicals making it a very consumer health conscious product. " So, if they are producing borosilicate bakeware they don't want it to be known. Perhaps the items you have were "new old stock"? That's possible. Some retailers aren't know for being careful to rotate stock. Still, it makes you wonder why there are so many hits for borosilicate when you search their site. They showed a set of salt& pepper shakers as borosilicate. I wonder if they never bothered to remove old keywords, or if it's SEO fraud? I don't think that salt and pepper shakers or any of the other 9 items they list as borosilicate are "ovenware". At any rate, the items I bought were exactly what I was looking for. I notice that the prices have dropped since I bought mine, too. |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:25:30 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: I don't think that salt and pepper shakers or any of the other 9 items they list as borosilicate are "ovenware". Where do you think Hot Chillie Pepper comes from???? "A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray; a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all. A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children. A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station; an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted." Bobby XD9 |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/12/2010 6:21 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: ? ? "J. Clarke" wrote: ?? ?? On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: ??? ??? "J. Clarke" wrote: ???? ???? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the ???? Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as ???? being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general ???? statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from ???? borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also ???? made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ???? ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the ???? "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate ???? glass can benefit from your experience. ??? ??? ??? These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The ??? paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: ??? ??? http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html ??? ??? http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html ??? ??? I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar ??? Pyrex brand item: ??? ??? http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware?prdNo=5 ??? ??? There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website ??? that were there when I researched the items I purchased. ?? ?? Well, in response to my inquiry, I got back from Anchor Hocking: ?? ?? "Anchor Hocking strives to maintain high quality standards to provide ?? the finest glassware products available. We are proud of our products ?? and responsiveness to our consumer questions. ?? ?? We would like you to know the material used in glass ovenware in the ?? market place today is known as soda lime glass, which has been subjected ?? to a manufacturing process known as tempering. It is the same process ?? used to produce tempered safety glass found in many windows or glass ?? shower doors, etc. ?? ?? Additionally, tempered ovenware products are more durable and a ?? healthier product. Our glassware contains no lead or harmful chemicals ?? making it a very consumer health conscious product. " ?? ?? So, if they are producing borosilicate bakeware they don't want it to be ?? known. ?? ?? Perhaps the items you have were "new old stock"? ? ? ? That's possible. Some retailers aren't know for being careful to ? rotate stock. Still, it makes you wonder why there are so many hits for ? borosilicate when you search their site. They showed a set of salt? ? pepper shakers as borosilicate. I wonder if they never bothered to ? remove old keywords, or if it's SEO fraud? I don't think that salt and pepper shakers or any of the other 9 items they list as borosilicate are "ovenware". No, but a lot of people leave them sitting on a stove, near the vent from the oven. I've seen them crack, or worse from the heat. |
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On 8/13/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote: On 8/12/2010 6:21 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: ? ? "J. Clarke" wrote: ?? ?? On 8/10/2010 10:17 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: ??? ??? "J. Clarke" wrote: ???? ???? I'm not "claiming" anything except that there are only nine items on the ???? Anchor Hocking web site that are specifically described on that site as ???? being made from borosilicate glass, and there appears to be no general ???? statement on that site that Anchor Hocking products are made from ???? borosilicate. If you can show that others currently for sale are also ???? made from it, please provide a list of products and SKU numbers (and, ???? ideally, links to photos of the labels showing the SKU number and the ???? "borosilicate glass" statement) so that others wanting borosilicate ???? glass can benefit from your experience. ??? ??? ??? These are two of the items I bought about two months ago. The ??? paperwork with each stated that they were made with borosilicate glass: ??? ??? http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...ics_9_pie.html ??? ??? http://www.anchorhocking.com/prodd_4...n_storage.html ??? ??? I can't find the third item on the A-H website, but here is a similar ??? Pyrex brand item: ??? ??? http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...keware?prdNo=5 ??? ??? There are several other items I can no longer find on the A-K website ??? that were there when I researched the items I purchased. ?? ?? Well, in response to my inquiry, I got back from Anchor Hocking: ?? ?? "Anchor Hocking strives to maintain high quality standards to provide ?? the finest glassware products available. We are proud of our products ?? and responsiveness to our consumer questions. ?? ?? We would like you to know the material used in glass ovenware in the ?? market place today is known as soda lime glass, which has been subjected ?? to a manufacturing process known as tempering. It is the same process ?? used to produce tempered safety glass found in many windows or glass ?? shower doors, etc. ?? ?? Additionally, tempered ovenware products are more durable and a ?? healthier product. Our glassware contains no lead or harmful chemicals ?? making it a very consumer health conscious product. " ?? ?? So, if they are producing borosilicate bakeware they don't want it to be ?? known. ?? ?? Perhaps the items you have were "new old stock"? ? ? ? That's possible. Some retailers aren't know for being careful to ? rotate stock. Still, it makes you wonder why there are so many hits for ? borosilicate when you search their site. They showed a set of salt? ? pepper shakers as borosilicate. I wonder if they never bothered to ? remove old keywords, or if it's SEO fraud? I don't think that salt and pepper shakers or any of the other 9 items they list as borosilicate are "ovenware". No, but a lot of people leave them sitting on a stove, near the vent from the oven. I've seen them crack, or worse from the heat. Relevance? Anchor Hocking said that their "ovenware" was not borosilicate. They did not say that their salt and pepper shakers were not borosilicate. Since those are not "ovenware" there is no contradiction between the statement that they emailed me that their ovenware was not borosilicate and the statement on their Web site that their salt and pepper shakers are borosilicate. |
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