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Laugh...laugh...laugh... Crazy *******s. TMT Party of Nuts: Poll Shows GOP Thinks Obama is Muslim, Socialist March 24, 2010 03:44 PM ET | Robert Schlesinger By Robert Schlesinger, Thomas Jefferson Street blog Almost one in four Republicans suspect that Barack Obama is the Antichrist. That's one of the most astounding findings from a notably stunning new online poll from Harris Interactive. Majorities of Republicans also believe that Obama is a socialist (67 percent), that he wants to take away Americans' guns (61 percent), is a Muslim (57 percent), has done "many" things that are not constitutional (55 percent), and wants to turn the country over to a one world government (51 percent). It's clear that the right wing is the anchor that's pulling the country toward loonyville in this data set. Forty-five percent of Republicans are birthers (they think that Obama is not a natural born American citizen), according to the survey (as opposed to 25 percent of all Americans); 45 percent think that he's a "domestic enemy"; and 41 percent think that he's itching to "use an economic collapse or terrorist attack as an excuse to take dictatorial powers" (a mere 23 percent generally so believe). If you think that sounds suspiciously like something Hitler might do, you're not alone: 38 percent of Republicans think Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" (20 percent of Americans overall think so). Twenty-two percent of Republicans think "he wants the terrorists to win," as opposed to 13 percent of Americans generally. And as I mentioned at the top, 24 percent of Republicans believe that "he may be the Antichrist" (there's even a youtube video on the topic), a belief held by 14 percent of Americans total. Step back a moment and ponder that figure. Fourteen percent of Americans think not that the president has bad ideas, or is a bad person, but that he is a supernatural personification of evil who will do battle with Jesus Christ in the final days. Wow. It will come as no surprise that there is an inverse relationship between education and nutty beliefs about the president. Forty-five percent of those without a high school education, for example, believe that Obama is a socialist, while only 20 percent of those with postgraduate education so believe. And while there is a fairly close affinity between what conservatives believe and what Republicans believe, and what liberals believe and what Democrats believe (they are, not surprisingly, the most sympathetic to the president), Independents tend to believe more ill of the president than do moderates. So, for example, 30 percent of moderates call Obama a socialist, whereas 42 percent of Independents do. One possible explanation: self-described Independents include a large dose of conservatives still disaffected with the GOP. |
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WorldNetDaily - Flood of Legal Challenges Rising Against 'Obamacare'
March 23, 2010 By Bob Unruh, WorldNetDaily Congress will be accused in a coming flood of lawsuits of trashing the Constitution through President Obama's plan to nationalize health care, according to several groups that already have cases in the works. The question will be reduced to whether the federal government has the authority to demand that Americans pay for a government-specified health insurance - and it likely will be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. "The individual mandate . is going to be the focus of a lot of litigation," Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice told WND today, less than 24 hours after Congress endorsed a plan that would have the federal government take over one-sixth of the country's economy. "There's the issue of whether Congress even has the authority to require people to participate in something like this, to buy something they don't want to buy," he said. Richard Thompson, president of the Thomas More Law Center, agreed, telling WND among the primary questions that need to be resolved is whether the government can mandate citizens to purchase or obtain health insurance by federal fiat. "It is a dangerous precedent," he said. Such thinking logically could be expected to affect other decisions: If the government opposes a product on any grounds, can it be forbidden? Or conversely, if the government likes a product, can it be required? The ACLJ and Thomas More Law Center are among the activist organizations preparing legal action to challenge "Obamacare." Attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund also were on top of a related situation, moving forward in four different lawsuits to ensure that conscience protections - the right to decide a procedure is objectionable and to not perform it - is maintained for doctors, nurses, pharmacists and others. And according to Liberty Counsel, "The threat to liberty posed by the health-care bill goes beyond health care. If Congress can get away with this expansive power grab, then individual liberty and state sovereignty will vanish. "This political power grab will push the country to financial ruin. The bill funds abortion, destroys liberty, and is patently unconstitutional," the group said. WND reported over the weekend when Democrats in the U.S. House, who needed 216 votes to pass a Senate version of Obama's plans, tallied 219. Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., boasted, "We're doing something that ranks with what we did with Social Security or Medicare. This is a day of which we can all be proud." The approval came after Obama issued an executive order essentially banning the use of federal funds for abortions, even though analysts have confirmed that Sunday's decision effectually will be reversed when Obama signs the program into law. Obama's order was issued in exchange for the support of several Democrats in the House who opposed federal tax funding for abortions. Promoters of the bill have long touted the millions who will be added to health-care rolls and claimed that long-term, the trillion-dollar bill will eventually lead to deficit reduction. Critics say that the bill's supporters have used accounting tricks to keep hundreds of millions of dollars in expenses out of the fine print. They cite several strikes against the reform attempt, from the cost of yet another taxpayer-funded entitlement to the general principle that nowhere in the U.S. Constitution - which sets limits on the federal government's powers - is there an authorization to force people to buy the health-insurance program a federal bureaucrat picks out. Ralk radio icon Rush Limbaugh today suggested American elections now are being threatened by Obama and warned that since the president's health-care takeover was approved by Congress, a mass amnesty for illegal aliens cannot be far behind. "The next big push will be amnesty for ... millions of illegal immigrants who are here," he said on his radio program. "Obama's gonna need their votes in 2012. The Democrats are going to need their votes in every election from now on - if we have elections, and I'm not joking. "The Constitution has just been ripped to shreds, so why is anything safe?" Sekulow and Thompson told WND there are a lot of issues on which "Obamacare" could be challenged constitutionally. The issue of the federal government exceeding its authority probably will be the strongest challenge. Further, there are states' rights questions and concerns that some of the special provisions in the bill should be perceived as unequal treatment under the law. Sekulow said the cases will come up all over the country, but the U.S. Supreme Court eventually will have to rule on the plan by Congress. "This is going to be national litigation in multiple jurisdictions and ultimately the Supreme Court of the United States [will rule]," he said. "We've got to be realistic here. At the end of the day this is going to be a complete change in the way we govern and Congress has authority to govern. "This is way beyond health care at this point," he said. "We're preparing legal action to challenge this measure and we intend to file a lawsuit in federal court soon challenging a law that is not only wrong for America - but a law with a forced mandate that penalizes Americans who choose not to participate," Sekulow said. "This is unconstitutional and we believe ultimately will be overturned by the courts." The organization already has heard from nearly 500,000 Americans who oppose the government plan. Thompson said the focus is simple: the U.S. Constitution. "Basically you have a government, a Congress, acting beyond its enumerated powers. It goes back to the founding documents," Thompson said. The founders has a vision that powers "not enumerated [in the Constitution], belong to the states or the people." That obviously includes the decision on what - or whether - to buy health insurance, he argues. Such requirements are an issue because they restrict liberty, he said. "Once the government starts doing that, liberty is jeopardized," he said. Another major issue that likely will be raised is mandatory funding for abortion, which could be determined to violate the fundamental rights of conscience and free exercise of religion. Liberty Counsel said Congress lacks the authority to mandate insurance coverage for individuals or private businesses. It said Liberty University, the largest and fastest-growing Christian university in the world with more than 50,000 students, will be a plaintiff in its action. In forecasting eventual arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court, the lawyers could be anticipating some awkward moments for the White House in its effort to abandon generations of practice in the U.S. regarding health care. Obama, during his State of the Union address this year, attacked the court for changing decades of precedent that allowed campaign spending by some and not by others. "With all due deference to the separation of powers the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests - including foreign corporations - to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said in front of the justices who attended the January speech. Justice Samuel Alito was seen mouthing "not true" in response to the president, because the ruling contained exclusions for foreign entities. Chief Justice John Roberts later said such an attack at "a political pep rally" was "very troubling." The issue, however, could disappear more quickly than the years estimated for resolution in the courts. Already, members of both the House and the Senate have prepared legislation to repeal the health-care plan, and Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., said he will be part of that effort. "When a president and a Congress collude to violate the Constitution and ignore the American people, everything our nation stands for is at risk," DeMint said. "It's not too late to undo the damage. I, and other Republicans, will work to repeal this monstrosity, and give Americans freedom to make their own health care choices." |
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On Mar 24, 5:38*pm, "RogerN" wrote:
WorldNetDaily - Flood of Legal Challenges Rising Against 'Obamacare' March 23, 2010 By Bob Unruh, WorldNetDaily Congress will be accused in a coming flood of lawsuits of trashing the Constitution through President Obama's plan to nationalize health care, according to several groups that already have cases in the works. The question will be reduced to whether the federal government has the authority to demand that Americans pay for a government-specified health insurance - and it likely will be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. "The individual mandate . is going to be the focus of a lot of litigation," Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice told WND today, less than 24 hours after Congress endorsed a plan that would have the federal government take over one-sixth of the country's economy. "There's the issue of whether Congress even has the authority to require people to participate in something like this, to buy something they don't want to buy," he said. Richard Thompson, president of the Thomas More Law Center, agreed, telling WND among the primary questions that need to be resolved is whether the government can mandate citizens to purchase or obtain health insurance by federal fiat. "It is a dangerous precedent," he said. Such thinking logically could be expected to affect other decisions: If the government opposes a product on any grounds, can it be forbidden? Or conversely, if the government likes a product, can it be required? The ACLJ and Thomas More Law Center are among the activist organizations preparing legal action to challenge "Obamacare." Attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund also were on top of a related situation, moving forward in four different lawsuits to ensure that conscience protections - the right to decide a procedure is objectionable and to not perform it - is maintained for doctors, nurses, pharmacists and others. And according to Liberty Counsel, "The threat to liberty posed by the health-care bill goes beyond health care. If Congress can get away with this expansive power grab, then individual liberty and state sovereignty will vanish. "This political power grab will push the country to financial ruin. The bill funds abortion, destroys liberty, and is patently unconstitutional," the group said. WND reported over the weekend when Democrats in the U.S. House, who needed 216 votes to pass a Senate version of Obama's plans, tallied 219. Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., boasted, "We're doing something that ranks with what we did with Social Security or Medicare. This is a day of which we can all be proud." The approval came after Obama issued an executive order essentially banning the use of federal funds for abortions, even though analysts have confirmed that Sunday's decision effectually will be reversed when Obama signs the program into law. Obama's order was issued in exchange for the support of several Democrats in the House who opposed federal tax funding for abortions. Promoters of the bill have long touted the millions who will be added to health-care rolls and claimed that long-term, the trillion-dollar bill will eventually lead to deficit reduction. Critics say that the bill's supporters have used accounting tricks to keep hundreds of millions of dollars in expenses out of the fine print. They cite several strikes against the reform attempt, from the cost of yet another taxpayer-funded entitlement to the general principle that nowhere in the U.S. Constitution - which sets limits on the federal government's powers - is there an authorization to force people to buy the health-insurance program a federal bureaucrat picks out. Ralk radio icon Rush Limbaugh today suggested American elections now are being threatened by Obama and warned that since the president's health-care takeover was approved by Congress, a mass amnesty for illegal aliens cannot be far behind. "The next big push will be amnesty for ... millions of illegal immigrants who are here," he said on his radio program. "Obama's gonna need their votes in 2012. The Democrats are going to need their votes in every election from now on - if we have elections, and I'm not joking. "The Constitution has just been ripped to shreds, so why is anything safe?" Sekulow and Thompson told WND there are a lot of issues on which "Obamacare" could be challenged constitutionally. The issue of the federal government exceeding its authority probably will be the strongest challenge. Further, there are states' rights questions and concerns that some of the special provisions in the bill should be perceived as unequal treatment under the law. Sekulow said the cases will come up all over the country, but the U.S. Supreme Court eventually will have to rule on the plan by Congress. "This is going to be national litigation in multiple jurisdictions and ultimately the Supreme Court of the United States [will rule]," he said. "We've got to be realistic here. At the end of the day this is going to be a complete change in the way we govern and Congress has authority to govern.. "This is way beyond health care at this point," he said. "We're preparing legal action to challenge this measure and we intend to file a lawsuit in federal court soon challenging a law that is not only wrong for America - but a law with a forced mandate that penalizes Americans who choose not to participate," Sekulow said. "This is unconstitutional and we believe ultimately will be overturned by the courts." The organization already has heard from nearly 500,000 Americans who oppose the government plan. Thompson said the focus is simple: the U.S. Constitution. "Basically you have a government, a Congress, acting beyond its enumerated powers. It goes back to the founding documents," Thompson said. The founders has a vision that powers "not enumerated [in the Constitution], belong to the states or the people." That obviously includes the decision on what - or whether - to buy health insurance, he argues. Such requirements are an issue because they restrict liberty, he said. "Once the government starts doing that, liberty is jeopardized," he said. Another major issue that likely will be raised is mandatory funding for abortion, which could be determined to violate the fundamental rights of conscience and free exercise of religion. Liberty Counsel said Congress lacks the authority to mandate insurance coverage for individuals or private businesses. It said Liberty University, the largest and fastest-growing Christian university in the world with more than 50,000 students, will be a plaintiff in its action. In forecasting eventual arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court, the lawyers could be anticipating some awkward moments for the White House in its effort to abandon generations of practice in the U.S. regarding health care. Obama, during his State of the Union address this year, attacked the court for changing decades of precedent that allowed campaign spending by some and not by others. "With all due deference to the separation of powers the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests - including foreign corporations - to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said in front of the justices who attended the January speech. Justice Samuel Alito was seen mouthing "not true" in response to the president, because the ruling contained exclusions for foreign entities. Chief Justice John Roberts later said such an attack at "a political pep rally" was "very troubling." The issue, however, could disappear more quickly than the years estimated for resolution in the courts. Already, members of both the House and the Senate have prepared legislation to repeal the health-care plan, and Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., said he will be part of that effort. "When a president and a Congress collude to violate the Constitution and ignore the American people, everything our nation stands for is at risk," DeMint said. "It's not too late to undo the damage. I, and other Republicans, will work to repeal this monstrosity, and give Americans freedom to make their own health care choices." begin 666 printer.gif M1TE&.#EA% `5`-4``/CX^ 8&!H:&AO?W]\_/S^OKZ]/3T____XZ.CMW=W3-F M_^WM[3,S_^_O[]?7U^3DY-;6UO+R\O;V]O/S\^[N[N/CXP" ``#_`.;FYE]? \K*RA\?']34 MU*"@H/7U]+BX@L+"X^/C]#0T+2TM*:FIM'1TSL[",C(Y:6ECW-^#@X*ZN MKBTM+?'Q\=O;VP```````````````````"'Y! $`````+ `````4`!4```;! 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RogerN wrote:
WorldNetDaily - Flood of Legal Challenges Rising Against 'Obamacare' March 23, 2010 By Bob Unruh, WorldNetDaily Congress will be accused in a coming flood of lawsuits of trashing the Constitution through President Obama's plan to nationalize health care, according to several groups that already have cases in the works. The question will be reduced to whether the federal government has the authority to demand that Americans pay for a government-specified health insurance - and it likely will be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. "The individual mandate . is going to be the focus of a lot of litigation," Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice told WND today, less than 24 hours after Congress endorsed a plan that would have the federal government take over one-sixth of the country's economy. "There's the issue of whether Congress even has the authority to require people to participate in something like this, to buy something they don't want to buy," he said. Richard Thompson, president of the Thomas More Law Center, agreed, telling WND among the primary questions that need to be resolved is whether the government can mandate citizens to purchase or obtain health insurance by federal fiat. "It is a dangerous precedent," he said. Such thinking logically could be expected to affect other decisions: If the government opposes a product on any grounds, can it be forbidden? Or conversely, if the government likes a product, can it be required? The ACLJ and Thomas More Law Center are among the activist organizations preparing legal action to challenge "Obamacare." Attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund also were on top of a related situation, moving forward in four different lawsuits to ensure that conscience protections - the right to decide a procedure is objectionable and to not perform it - is maintained for doctors, nurses, pharmacists and others. Former Reagan Solicitor General Charles Fried dismissed the suits as posturing. "Anybody who proposes something like this is either ignorant -- I mean, deeply ignorant -- or just grandstanding in a preposterous way. It is simply a political ploy and a pathetic one at that," Fried told ABC. -- John R. Carroll |
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