On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:53:41 +1100, "stu" no where just yet wrote:


"cncmillgil" wrote in message
...
Wonder if this could be implemented on other machine tools?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1


One wonders why they removed the guard that is fitted to nearly all
table saws and why the blade projected so far through the work when
normal practice is to have the blade only high enough to make a clean
cut.

Unless it was in order to sell a product..

John B.

John wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:53:41 +1100, "stu" no where just yet wrote:


"cncmillgil" wrote in message
...
Wonder if this could be implemented on other machine tools?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

One wonders why they removed the guard that is fitted to nearly all
table saws and why the blade projected so far through the work when
normal practice is to have the blade only high enough to make a clean
cut.

Unless it was in order to sell a product..

John B.

Well, nobody who actually does woodworking with any regularity actually
installs the guards on their saws since the guards are designed by
lawyers who have never used a saw in their lives and have no
understanding of why such guards actually increase the dangers of the
saw.

As for not setting the blade height correctly, and presumably also not
using the feather boards, push sticks and the like that are routinely
used by people who actually know how to use a saw, that is just the
usual marketing distortion trying to sell a failed product.

The big problem is that the developers of these nany-saws are so
emotionally invested in them that they can't understand why everyone
isn't jumping to buy them. They have even tried such corrupt practices
as attempting to get their product to be made mandatory on all saws.
They are basically like religious loons blindly preaching their faith to
those who are smart enough to see through it, or in this case to those
who know how to use a table saw and have no use for nany-crap.

A worse situation is with auto airbags, where I have said from the
beginning that they were a bad idea, it was proven to be a bad idea, but
they tried to redesign the bags, and now yet again it has been shown
that they are a failure and are harming more people than they help.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:45:06 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
scrawled the following:


John wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:53:41 +1100, "stu" no where just yet wrote:


"cncmillgil" wrote in message
...
Wonder if this could be implemented on other machine tools?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

One wonders why they removed the guard that is fitted to nearly all
table saws and why the blade projected so far through the work when
normal practice is to have the blade only high enough to make a clean
cut.

Unless it was in order to sell a product..

John B.

Well, nobody who actually does woodworking with any regularity actually
installs the guards on their saws since the guards are designed by
lawyers who have never used a saw in their lives and have no
understanding of why such guards actually increase the dangers of the
saw.

If you put your blade up high and put your hand on the wood, it will
smoothly go under the guard and be cut off your wrist. Where guards
are good is if you slip and an appendage lands on the top of the
blade. If the blade is set right, you'll get a nasty cut but not a
severed limb.


As for not setting the blade height correctly, and presumably also not
using the feather boards, push sticks and the like that are routinely
used by people who actually know how to use a saw, that is just the
usual marketing distortion trying to sell a failed product.

It's not a failed product. His attempt at extortion failed. He wants a
price for the device ($150-200), and the price for licensing is a full
EIGHT PERCENT OF THE SALE PRICE OF THE SAW! It would double the price
for a contractor's saw and add at least $400 to the price of cabinet
saws. The lawyer who invented it priced himself out of the market. As
I said on the Wreck a couple days ago, if he'd really wanted to see
everyone safe, he'd have sold licenses to the mfgrs for a couple grand
and asked a buck or two per unit sold. He'd be set for life and the
device would be on nearly every new saw sold worldwide.


The big problem is that the developers of these nany-saws are so
emotionally invested in them that they can't understand why everyone
isn't jumping to buy them. They have even tried such corrupt practices
as attempting to get their product to be made mandatory on all saws.

And not only table saws. He'll see them on bandsaws and miter saws,
too. The one thing he can't sue away is the vast amount of stupidity
out there.


They are basically like religious loons blindly preaching their faith to
those who are smart enough to see through it, or in this case to those
who know how to use a table saw and have no use for nany-crap.

Not to mention that the cost of a false stop is $90 for the cartridge
and $120 for a Forrest Woodworker II blade, plus an hour to get them
and an hour to install. thud


A worse situation is with auto airbags, where I have said from the
beginning that they were a bad idea, it was proven to be a bad idea, but
they tried to redesign the bags, and now yet again it has been shown
that they are a failure and are harming more people than they help.

Physical damage or deafness? I understand that they're louder than a
shotgun. I hope to never hear one.

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:45:06 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
scrawled the following:


John wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:53:41 +1100, "stu" no where just yet wrote:


"cncmillgil" wrote in message
...
Wonder if this could be implemented on other machine tools?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

One wonders why they removed the guard that is fitted to nearly all
table saws and why the blade projected so far through the work when
normal practice is to have the blade only high enough to make a clean
cut.

Unless it was in order to sell a product..

John B.

Well, nobody who actually does woodworking with any regularity actually
installs the guards on their saws since the guards are designed by
lawyers who have never used a saw in their lives and have no
understanding of why such guards actually increase the dangers of the
saw.

If you put your blade up high and put your hand on the wood, it will
smoothly go under the guard and be cut off your wrist. Where guards
are good is if you slip and an appendage lands on the top of the
blade. If the blade is set right, you'll get a nasty cut but not a
severed limb.

As for not setting the blade height correctly, and presumably also not
using the feather boards, push sticks and the like that are routinely
used by people who actually know how to use a saw, that is just the
usual marketing distortion trying to sell a failed product.

It's not a failed product. His attempt at extortion failed. He wants a
price for the device ($150-200), and the price for licensing is a full
EIGHT PERCENT OF THE SALE PRICE OF THE SAW! It would double the price
for a contractor's saw and add at least $400 to the price of cabinet
saws. The lawyer who invented it priced himself out of the market. As
I said on the Wreck a couple days ago, if he'd really wanted to see
everyone safe, he'd have sold licenses to the mfgrs for a couple grand
and asked a buck or two per unit sold. He'd be set for life and the
device would be on nearly every new saw sold worldwide.

The big problem is that the developers of these nany-saws are so
emotionally invested in them that they can't understand why everyone
isn't jumping to buy them. They have even tried such corrupt practices
as attempting to get their product to be made mandatory on all saws.

And not only table saws. He'll see them on bandsaws and miter saws,
too. The one thing he can't sue away is the vast amount of stupidity
out there.

They are basically like religious loons blindly preaching their faith to
those who are smart enough to see through it, or in this case to those
who know how to use a table saw and have no use for nany-crap.

Not to mention that the cost of a false stop is $90 for the cartridge
and $120 for a Forrest Woodworker II blade, plus an hour to get them
and an hour to install. thud

A worse situation is with auto airbags, where I have said from the
beginning that they were a bad idea, it was proven to be a bad idea, but
they tried to redesign the bags, and now yet again it has been shown
that they are a failure and are harming more people than they help.

Physical damage or deafness? I understand that they're louder than a
shotgun. I hope to never hear one.

Physical injury and even death. There was another study that just came
out that showed that the redesigned airbags are even worse than the
originals.

On Mar 25, 11:43*am, "Pete C." wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:45:06 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
scrawled the following:

John wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:53:41 +1100, "stu" no where just yet wrote:

"cncmillgil" wrote in message
...
Wonder if this could be implemented on other machine tools?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

One wonders why they removed the guard that is fitted to nearly all
table saws and why the blade projected so far through the work when
normal practice is to have the blade only high enough to make a clean
cut.

Unless it was in order to sell a product..

John B.

Well, nobody who actually does woodworking with any regularity actually
installs the guards on their saws since the guards are designed by
lawyers who have never used a saw in their lives and have no
understanding of why such guards actually increase the dangers of the
saw.

If you put your blade up high and put your hand on the wood, it will
smoothly go under the guard and be cut off your wrist. *Where guards
are good is if you slip and an appendage lands on the top of the
blade. *If the blade is set right, you'll get a nasty cut but not a
severed limb.

As for not setting the blade height correctly, and presumably also not
using the feather boards, push sticks and the like that are routinely
used by people who actually know how to use a saw, that is just the
usual marketing distortion trying to sell a failed product.

It's not a failed product. His attempt at extortion failed. He wants a
price for the device ($150-200), and the price for licensing is a full
EIGHT PERCENT OF THE SALE PRICE OF THE SAW! *It would double the price
for a contractor's saw and add at least $400 to the price of cabinet
saws. The lawyer who invented it priced himself out of the market. As
I said on the Wreck a couple days ago, if he'd really wanted to see
everyone safe, he'd have sold licenses to the mfgrs for a couple grand
and asked a buck or two per unit sold. *He'd be set for life and the
device would be on nearly every new saw sold worldwide.

The big problem is that the developers of these nany-saws are so
emotionally invested in them that they can't understand why everyone
isn't jumping to buy them. They have even tried such corrupt practices
as attempting to get their product to be made mandatory on all saws.

And not only table saws. *He'll see them on bandsaws and miter saws,
too. *The one thing he can't sue away is the vast amount of stupidity
out there.

They are basically like religious loons blindly preaching their faith to
those who are smart enough to see through it, or in this case to those
who know how to use a table saw and have no use for nany-crap.

Not to mention that the cost of a false stop is $90 for the cartridge
and $120 for a Forrest Woodworker II blade, plus an hour to get them
and an hour to install. *thud

A worse situation is with auto airbags, where I have said from the
beginning that they were a bad idea, it was proven to be a bad idea, but
they tried to redesign the bags, and now yet again it has been shown
that they are a failure and are harming more people than they help.

Physical damage or deafness? *I understand that they're louder than a
shotgun. I hope to never hear one.

Physical injury and even death. There was another study that just came
out that showed that the redesigned airbags are even worse than the
originals.

Tell that to my sister and her daughter who are alive to day thanks to
the airbags in their Honda.