On Feb 28, 9:36*pm, Hawke wrote:
Relapses from recovery. *Besides, too many things going on, work is busy,
jobs around the house, guns to tune and ammo to make. *I still have the
catalog/webpage pix and copy to do, etc, etc,... *Political bantering will
have to take a back seat and spanking the libfarts is getting old. *They're
on their way back into obscurity anyway now that the public is hurting and
blaming *the libtards who aren't even trying to mask their Socialist/Marxist
agenda anymore. *Arrogant ****s!- Hide quoted text -

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LOL...so it is starting to sink in that your actions here affect your
bottom line.

And they say that you can't teach old wingers new tricks.

You mean that's not right? I thought it was just common knowledge that
you can't teach wingers anything. They think they already know
everything so how are you going to teach one of them anything new? You
can't. I thought everyone knew that.

Hawke

Hope springs eternal. ;)

TMT

"Hawke" wrote in message
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On 2/28/2010 2:29 AM, cavelamb wrote:
Buerste wrote:
"Don Foreman" wrote in message
I always found the 1911 recoil comfortable with factory ball. My SA
XD-9
9mm kicks like a mule!
Perception of recoil is highly individual and personal. Ya gotta go
with what works for you. I find the recoil of an XD-9 to be
insignificant and the XD .40 not noticably different but I've found
the Kahr PM9 to be unacceptably harsh. I wouldn't own one if it was a
gift but I know that some petite women like it as a carry and have no
problem shooting it frequently for practice.

Fitch purely loves his 9mmp Glock and had no problem with the Kahr PM9
but regards any .40 as unacceptable -- but he purely enjoyed shooting
my 1911's. I found his .45 long colt revolver to be about on the edge
of my tolerance level but he seems to like it.

Funny how things work some days.

Even with a Hogue rubber grip, my hand is numb and stings after 100
rds. in the XD-9. I can shoot the 1911 all day. Even my .357 is
comfortable. My 9mm P08 doesn't bother me. I know, it doesn't make
sense. And, my .22 isn't too bad.


Maybe that's why I like my .380 so much.
It doesn't feel like a jack hammer



The thing about recoil is that the perception of it is very personal.
Everybody feels it differently. You shoot a gun and think it has very
little recoil and your friend tries it and says it's a beast. So what
gives? I think a lot of it is ergonomics. The way a gun fits you is
individual and so is how the recoil seems to you. Other things factor in
too. The lighter the gun the more the recoil. The heaver bullets produce
more recoil too. The kind of grip material and the shape matter. The way
it operates mechanically matters too. There are a lot of factors but it
all boils down to how it feels to you. If it hurts you then the recoil is
bad, period. If it doesn't then the recoil is soft. It's hard to explain.
Take your .380. Almost all .380s kick hard. But they do because of the way
they operate. They are "blowback" operated semi autos. Because of their
operation they kick hard even though they are a small caliber weapon. You
think yours is easy. It's all in how it feels to you. But there is a way
to measure recoil too by its power factor. A factory .45 ACP has a power
factor of over 200. Most guns are less than that and most folks find that
too much to handle. That's the reason most people are better off with a
.38 Spl or a 9mm. The power factor is more like 135 or 150 and people can
shoot them more accurately and faster. Which is always a good thing.

Hawke

Sure, and the XD-9 is plastic with most of the mass in motion. I'll work
light loads for that after I get the 1911 dialed in. Then after everything
shoots perfectly they will sit in the safe being no fun anymore. I'll have
to buy more!

"Hawke" wrote in message
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But I need to pick his brain about my 1911, I'm at a standstill trying
to
figure out some issues.

Damnit, Tawm. Fix your quoting, will ya? I just called you on a
rangerssuck post. He's in my twit list (gee, wonder why) so I wouldn't
have seen his post had you not quoted it.


Gee, it's a wonder Larry sees anyone's posts. He's got most of the group
killfiled.

Well, he says he does...

That's a right winger for you, can't stand to deal with
anyone except people he agrees with. It's truly a small and
undifferentiated world with folks like him. Nobody different ever gets
in.

And yet he seems to know exactly who to complain about, which is one
of the reasons I don't believe him.

He's always yakking about who he's *not* responding to. I assume
that's his way of getting in licks without any direct feedback. Never
mind the left-right angle, he's just another weasel who grudgingly
learned the limits of his "reasoning" ability. Rather than fix that,
he developed a lame posting style to compensate. Dollars to donuts
he's made a habit of similar strategies on every front, and has the
brokeass lifestyle to show for it.

Wayne


The thing about argument, and by that I don't mean bickering or a fight,
but an intellectual argument, is that it's a real learning tool if you use
it properly. Say that you make an argument about something. You believe in
what you said and you think you gave good reasons for why you believe what
you do. But then you hear some responses from other people with different
points of view on what you believe. Suppose out of these other arguments
you hear one of them convinces you that what you believed was in error and
so you change your mind. The introduction of new and different ideas made
you change your view to something different. That's how argument is
supposed to work because it allows you to grow. You either find your
argument is a decisive one and the others are inferior or you find yours
is inferior and so you change it.

But here is where the problem comes in for the right winger. He doesn't
even want to hear anyone's argument that he doesn't like. So he cuts out
everyone's arguments except those he agrees with. By doing this he's never
able to learn anything new and he's never able to learn that what he
thinks is untrue. In the real world that is a real handicap because it
holds you back and keeps you from leaning new ideas. You take that
handicap and the one where no matter what anyone else argues you never
accept it as valid and you have two reasons why right wingers are not
considered to be very intelligent. That behavior pattern contributes to
their inability to learn new things, add that to their lower levels of
intelligence, and education and you can see why they have trouble
learning. Knowing that you can see why right wingers never want to change
anything.

Hawke

The left's idea on compromise is capitulation. The left's idea of learning
new things is capitulation. The left has no regard for the right's values.
After enough insults it's apparent the left isn't interested in dialog, just
dominance. Well, the right doesn't like many of the left's ideas as much as
the left doesn't like the right's ideas. I give up, I won't argue anymore,
it's a waste of time, I'll just vote.

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Relapses from recovery. Besides, too many things going on, work is
busy,
jobs around the house, guns to tune and ammo to make. I still have the
catalog/webpage pix and copy to do, etc, etc,... Political bantering
will
have to take a back seat and spanking the libfarts is getting old.
They're
on their way back into obscurity anyway now that the public is hurting
and
blaming the libtards who aren't even trying to mask their
Socialist/Marxist
agenda anymore. Arrogant ****s!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL...so it is starting to sink in that your actions here affect your
bottom line.

And they say that you can't teach old wingers new tricks.


You mean that's not right? I thought it was just common knowledge that you
can't teach wingers anything. They think they already know everything so
how are you going to teach one of them anything new? You can't. I thought
everyone knew that.

Hawke


My actions here affect my bottom line? Blink...Blink... How does that
play?