"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:02 -0800, Gunner Asch
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George....California claims to have +10% unemployment.

The fact of the matter is that its well over double that. Most places
its at least ..at least 16%. Someplaces..the Salinus (sp?) Valley..its
almost 50%. Hell..even the wetbacks are packing up and going south,
back to Mexico. I see them headed south whenever Im down in LA/Santa Ana
etc etc.
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While 50% seems high, clearly the actual under and unemployment
rate is *MUCH* than the official numbers when the discouraged
workers [those whose unemployment benefits have runout] are
included. Indeed from the following news items, the "official"
unemployment rate continues to increase.
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/s...8/daily77.html
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...ia-unem-3.html
and several other media sites.


Unka George (George McDuffee)

It all depends on where you ask. Just like those polls they hold at exits
of democratic fund raisers. I'd imagine they'd say the unemployment rate is
much much lower. There are just so many ways to count it.

Steve

Steve B wrote:
"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:02 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:
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George....California claims to have +10% unemployment.

The fact of the matter is that its well over double that. Most
places its at least ..at least 16%. Someplaces..the Salinus (sp?)
Valley..its almost 50%. Hell..even the wetbacks are packing up and
going south, back to Mexico. I see them headed south whenever Im
down in LA/Santa Ana etc etc.
============
While 50% seems high, clearly the actual under and unemployment
rate is *MUCH* than the official numbers when the discouraged
workers [those whose unemployment benefits have runout] are
included. Indeed from the following news items, the "official"
unemployment rate continues to increase.
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/s...8/daily77.html

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...ia-unem-3.html
and several other media sites.


Unka George (George McDuffee)

It all depends on where you ask. Just like those polls they hold at
exits of democratic fund raisers. I'd imagine they'd say the
unemployment rate is much much lower. There are just so many ways to
count it.


The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California numbers
were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of people
EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.


--
John R. Carroll

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:
"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:02 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:
snip

George....California claims to have +10% unemployment.

The fact of the matter is that its well over double that. Most
places its at least ..at least 16%. Someplaces..the Salinus (sp?)
Valley..its almost 50%. Hell..even the wetbacks are packing up and
going south, back to Mexico. I see them headed south whenever Im
down in LA/Santa Ana etc etc.
============
While 50% seems high, clearly the actual under and unemployment
rate is *MUCH* than the official numbers when the discouraged
workers [those whose unemployment benefits have runout] are
included. Indeed from the following news items, the "official"
unemployment rate continues to increase.
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/s...8/daily77.html

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...ia-unem-3.html
and several other media sites.


Unka George (George McDuffee)

It all depends on where you ask. Just like those polls they hold at
exits of democratic fund raisers. I'd imagine they'd say the
unemployment rate is much much lower. There are just so many ways to
count it.


The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California
numbers
were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of
people
EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.


--
John R. Carroll

No, John. You are very wrong. What IS important is if YOU (not you
specifically, but aimed at every person who reads this) are working. To me,
that's what's important.

And on that point, people who are adaptable and who will change are doing
better. Those guys who only will install left front Ford fenders and won't
do anything else are hurting. The guys who are willing to make something
else happen are generally doing better.

Some of the work I do now I'm not particularly fond of, but I have never had
an emotion to turn down the money. ;-)

Steve

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California numbers
were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of people
EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.


John, how are the current rains affecting reservoir levels? IIRC, you have had a long dry
spell. I think the lack of water has affected the farm workers.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:06:52 -0500, Wes wrote:

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California numbers
were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of people
EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.


John, how are the current rains affecting reservoir levels? IIRC, you have had a long dry
spell. I think the lack of water has affected the farm workers.

Wes

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_142424...ce=most_viewed

http://www.news10.net/news/story.asp...=73534&catid=2

http://www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=26247

On the other hand.....

http://westsideconnect.com/content/view/3210/162/




The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for
existence.
- It is NOT fiscally responsible.
- It is NOT ethically honorable.
- It has started wars based on lies.
- It does not support the well-being of americans - only billionaires.
- It has suppresed constitutional guaranteed liberties.
- It has foisted a liar as president upon America.
- It has violated US national sovereignty in trade treaties.
- It has refused to enforce the national borders.

....It no longer has valid reasons to exist.
Lorad474

Wes wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California
numbers were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of
people EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.


John, how are the current rains affecting reservoir levels?

I'm not sure Wes but our reservoirs here are filled primarily by snow pack.
Rain helps, of course, but the tremendous snowfall will probably be more
significant.

IIRC, you have had a long dry spell. I think the lack of water has
affected the farm workers.

I've read about farmers taking fields out of production.
There are other issues. One is the costs of production which include, but
aren't limited to water.
Another, the allocations made in accordance with the compacts signed with
various states and Mexico parceling out water from the Colorado river and
other resources. California has always, almost always, been able to draw
more than it's allocation in the past because the others weren't. They have
been doing so lately and the Mexican farmers across the border have been
demanding access to what they are promised at the same time. IOW, demand is
up and due to the years long drought on the West coast, supply is way down.

California is very productive agriculturally because we have a year round
growing season but most of the farms are in what most of the world considers
the middle or edges of arid territory. You need a lot of water to grow
things in the desert.

Orange County sits on one of North America's largest aquifers and they
manage their water very well.
They have been rationing water for about a year now I believe but they just
added reclamation capacity and I think they are up to 50 million gallons per
day with their effort.

--
John R. Carroll