Awl --

In keeping with Sears' auto repair ripoff scheme (prosecuted in mebbe a
dozen states), does anyone recall a smaller scandal on how sears and a bunch
of others rated their motors based on locked-rotor current, or somesuch?

I recall some organization putting a stop to this, but see nothing
immediately apparent on google.
Is sears rating their motors more realistically now, or are they still using
that "peak hp"/locked rotor current bull****?
--
EA

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:49:35 -0500, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

Awl --

In keeping with Sears' auto repair ripoff scheme (prosecuted in mebbe a
dozen states), does anyone recall a smaller scandal on how sears and a bunch
of others rated their motors based on locked-rotor current, or somesuch?

I recall some organization putting a stop to this, but see nothing
immediately apparent on google.
Is sears rating their motors more realistically now, or are they still using
that "peak hp"/locked rotor current bull****?

http://www.truetex.com/aircompressors.htm

Or for general trends just compare rated horsepower, cfm, and current
draw of different models and you'll find the best value whether the
specs are inflated or not.

I haven't shopped recently but I doubt that sincerity has taken over
in advertising yet. :-)

A few years back a friend was shopping for a compressor. I warned him
not to be fooled, but he came back with a nice shiny one with giant
labels claiming all sorts of foolishness, and it plugs into 110. It
has a good-sized tank but the check valve leaks so it has to be pumped
up from zero if let sit overnight. Which takes about 10 minutes
because the pump is so wimpy. sigh He doesn't seem to mind, which is
why they'll keep selling such stuff.


Here's another case.
http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/ove...rsepower_Fraud
Shoppers can usually compare engine displacement if so motivated, but
they're more likely to be impressed with a bit of chrome or plastic
"mag" wheels.

It would be nice if everybody was honest, but they never will be. Oh
well, for those who are willing to make a little effort, it's barely
any work to separate the truthful from the BSers anyway. Which is
something that nobody should get out of practice doing.

Wayne

On Jan 5, 1:49*pm, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
Awl --

In keeping with Sears' auto repair ripoff scheme (prosecuted in mebbe a
dozen states), does anyone recall a smaller scandal on how sears and a bunch
of others rated their motors based on locked-rotor current, or somesuch?

I recall some organization putting a stop to this, but see nothing
immediately apparent on google.
Is sears rating their motors more realistically now, or are they still using
that "peak hp"/locked rotor current bull****?
--
EA

The link on the other post gives another link:
http://www.aircompressorsettlement.com/

You'll have to go to www.archive.org and hit the Wayback function to
see what's what. Can't get to the archives here, they filter it out,
but it looks like 2007 was the last year for the link.

I think they had something similar with vacuum cleaners, too.

Stan

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:46:34 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 5, 1:49Â*pm, "Existential Angst"
wrote:
Awl --

In keeping with Sears' auto repair ripoff scheme (prosecuted in mebbe a
dozen states), does anyone recall a smaller scandal on how sears and a bunch
of others rated their motors based on locked-rotor current, or somesuch?

I recall some organization putting a stop to this, but see nothing
immediately apparent on google.
Is sears rating their motors more realistically now, or are they still using
that "peak hp"/locked rotor current bull****?
--
EA

The link on the other post gives another link:
http://www.aircompressorsettlement.com/

You'll have to go to www.archive.org and hit the Wayback function to
see what's what. Can't get to the archives here, they filter it out,
but it looks like 2007 was the last year for the link.

I think they had something similar with vacuum cleaners, too.

Stan
Sears was FAR FROM the only one pulling the inflated horsepower
game, and may not have even been the first. Due to their size and
presence, they were DEFINITELY the most visible.

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
...
Awl --

In keeping with Sears' auto repair ripoff scheme (prosecuted in mebbe a
dozen states), does anyone recall a smaller scandal on how sears and a
bunch of others rated their motors based on locked-rotor current, or
somesuch?

I recall some organization putting a stop to this, but see nothing
immediately apparent on google.
Is sears rating their motors more realistically now, or are they still
using that "peak hp"/locked rotor current bull****?
--
EA


Rated 6.5 peak hp, That's 40 amps at 120 Volts if you ignore inefficiency.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...et-Dry+Vacuums

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:49:35 -0500, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

Awl --

In keeping with Sears' auto repair ripoff scheme (prosecuted in mebbe a
dozen states), does anyone recall a smaller scandal on how sears and a
bunch
of others rated their motors based on locked-rotor current, or somesuch?

I recall some organization putting a stop to this, but see nothing
immediately apparent on google.
Is sears rating their motors more realistically now, or are they still
using
that "peak hp"/locked rotor current bull****?

http://www.truetex.com/aircompressors.htm

Or for general trends just compare rated horsepower, cfm, and current
draw of different models and you'll find the best value whether the
specs are inflated or not.

I haven't shopped recently but I doubt that sincerity has taken over
in advertising yet. :-)

A few years back a friend was shopping for a compressor. I warned him
not to be fooled, but he came back with a nice shiny one with giant
labels claiming all sorts of foolishness, and it plugs into 110. It
has a good-sized tank but the check valve leaks so it has to be pumped
up from zero if let sit overnight. Which takes about 10 minutes
because the pump is so wimpy. sigh He doesn't seem to mind, which is
why they'll keep selling such stuff.



what I tell people looking at compressors is to not even look at
horsepower - look at current draw to see if your circuit can stand it, and
look at CFM and pressure - for example, I have an older 2 hp sears
compressor that puts out 7.2 cfm at 40 psi - that's about right - the newer
5 and even "8" hp compressors put out less - and my Quincy 5 hp compressor
puts out 19 cfm at 160 psi, compared to about 6 cfm at 40 psi for a cheapie
5 hp I ran across somewhere.

Existential Angst wrote:

In keeping with Sears' auto repair ripoff scheme (prosecuted in mebbe a
dozen states), does anyone recall a smaller scandal on how sears and a bunch
of others rated their motors based on locked-rotor current, or somesuch?

I recall some organization putting a stop to this, but see nothing
immediately apparent on google.
Is sears rating their motors more realistically now, or are they still using
that "peak hp"/locked rotor current bull****?

They quit lying because of this lawsuit:

http://classactionworld.com/Air+Comp...saaoc/891.html

Unfortunately the cutoff date for filing was Oct. 24, 2004.

Every 120VAC, 15A compressor I've seen in the last couple of years has
been rated for 2.0 HP or less, and one with the same CFM ratings as my
old "3.5" HP Campbell Hausefeld was rated 1.7 HP.

BTW if you ever enter one of these consumer class action suits, be
patient. I filed for the a computer memory lawsuit two years ago and
got the check just last month.